Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #21

[Kamille]

If you have internet phone wouldn't you leave your Wi-Fi on all of the time though? If they woke up in the middle of the night with an emergency they would have to run down turn the Wi-Fi on before they could make a 911 call.

Just thinking that anyone who was going through the house and looking at items for sale might have inadvertently picked up the router and hit the power button. I'm not sure I would find it unusual that it was off after the kind of day this family had just had. Just wondering if LE knew about the estate sale when they started looking for evidence?

 

[Leeesh]

Good observation. I believe that "falling out" was in 2007 wasn't it?

Yep 2007

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 3m3 minutes ago
Clark spent a little over 2 hrs at the Liknes home. Never established a wifi/network connection. Found no other routers #Garland #yyc

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 2m2 minutes ago
Clark was at Liknes residence a little over two hours, wasn't able to detect any networks despite multiple computers, devices #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 2m2 minutes ago
Clark says he checked the "entire residence for electronic evidence." #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 8s8 seconds ago
Although Clark found an HP laptop at Likneses the HP cord he found didnt fit. #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 8s9 seconds ago
Court is taking afternoon break. Back at 3:05 #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 22s22 seconds ago
#Garland jury on afternoon break. Const. Brian Clark to be cross-examined when they resume.

 

[Kamille]

We've been told that Garland was smart and very thorough with work that he did. As such, it doesn't surprise me that everything was planned out very well and researched. I'm sure that he had every little detail worked out. It seems as though his biggest mistake was probably using the green truck which was easily identified.

Yes but if not for the luck of having that neighbour with the great, high tech, CCTV security system, would that truck have been caught on any other CCTV surveillance in the area?

 

[Tealgrove]

I mentioned a couple of days ago I was sure he did a few recce's (still don't know how to spell that). When we are told of his obsessive research those trips and regular surveillance of the residence seem to be a given IMO. Super creepy but very likely. This damaged ego would not want to fail when exacting revenge. (But did! He's not as intelligent or superior as he believes himself to be now is he!) I bet he is sitting there just seething. Imagine his internal rage now - just terrifies me.

BBM

I was thinking the exact same thing. I went back and watched the "perp walk" footage and he was some pissed off then. If I knew then what I know now, I would have been terrified to be in his presence.

He's sitting there watching these people tear apart his perfect plan. I can only imagine his anger.

Too bad though.....I hope he chokes on it.

 

[Jayzo]

Since DG had been to the house and knew the layout, MOO is he hit up the office first (that was near the side door if I remember correctly), and turned the router off before beginning, so calls for help were unable to be made.

I live in the Area, and was going to go down and watch a day or two of the trial, but i am pretty certain I'd have outbursts at DG for being such a monster, so it's best I stick to WS!

 

[Tealgrove]

Yes but if not for the luck of having that neighbour with the great, high tech, CCTV security system, would that truck have been caught on any other CCTV surveillance in the area?

There seems to have been quite a bit of luck. The truck is caught on CCTV. Someone actually knows the truck and does the right thing (a family member to boot). A mapping plane just happens to be flying over the farm at the same time as the bodies are lying out in the open. DG left his trail on his own computer. He never cleaned up. He left the evidence to be found.

Luck, stupidity and a lot of hard work done by CPS, RCMP etc.

You have to wonder what his reaction was, when he found out that the bodies had been photographed on the property. It would the big GOTCHA! I would have loved to have seen his face.

 

[garbagetweet]

Yes but if not for the luck of having that neighbour with the great, high tech, CCTV security system, would that truck have been caught on any other CCTV surveillance in the area?

True. The surveillance images were crucial. If DG was scoping out the Liknes house in the days or weeks beforehand this is probably something he should have noticed. I'm assuming the home with the cameras likely had the little bubble-like cameras mounted around the perimeter.

Regardless, even for the most amateur or stupid criminal it should be pretty obvious that you don't use your own vehicle for committing crimes.

 

[lawyer-mum]

Does anyone else think the dumbbells were an opportunistic find too? They seem to have been all over the house. The one in the garage...a smaller one by the pull-out bed in the basement. I think I recall seeing one in another room too. Perhaps something did not go to plan when inside?

 

[kdgdid]

There was 2 cell phones in the house, A's in a box in his bedroom and K's on the kitchen window sill. Both phones were working.

Since DG had been to the house and knew the layout, MOO is he hit up the office first (that was near the side door if I remember correctly), and turned the router off before beginning, so calls for help were unable to be made.

I live in the Area, and was going to go down and watch a day or two of the trial, but i am pretty certain I'd have outbursts at DG for being such a monster, so it's best I stick to WS!

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Thanks so much for the coverage this afternoon!!!

 

[Kamille]

There seems to have been quite a bit of luck. The truck is caught on CCTV. Someone actually knows the truck and does the right thing (a family member to boot). A mapping plane just happens to be flying over the farm at the same time as the bodies are lying out in the open. DG left his trail on his own computer. He never cleaned up. He left the evidence to be found.

Luck, stupidity and a lot of hard work done by CPS, RCMP etc.

You have to wonder what his reaction was, when he found out that the bodies had been photographed on the property. It would the big GOTCHA! I would have loved to have seen his face.

I can't even imagine the reaction of both him and his defense team when that piece of discovery was sent to them.

And he's pleading not guilty and going to trial because?.... :notgood:

MOO

 

[Cherchri]

There seems to have been quite a bit of luck. The truck is caught on CCTV. Someone actually knows the truck and does the right thing (a family member to boot). A mapping plane just happens to be flying over the farm at the same time as the bodies are lying out in the open. DG left his trail on his own computer. He never cleaned up. He left the evidence to be found.

Luck, stupidity and a lot of hard work done by CPS, RCMP etc.

You have to wonder what his reaction was, when he found out that the bodies had been photographed on the property. It would the big GOTCHA! I would have loved to have seen his face.

Too true. Rather than "luck" perhaps a prime example of goodness triumphing over evil. Then the old ego getting in the way - the "dumb mortals" would never find him, much less examine his hard-drive, etc. That trail he left - IMO all down to that narcissistic ego.

 

[mrazda71]

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BBM

I was thinking the exact same thing. I went back and watched the "perp walk" footage and he was some pissed off then. If I knew then what I know now, I would have been terrified to be in his presence.

He's sitting there watching these people tear apart his perfect plan. I can only imagine his anger.

Too bad though.....I hope he chokes on it.

If I knew then what I know now (and had I been able to get from UK to Canada and wait around etc) I'd egged him and screamed all the B******* under the sun at him at the very least.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Does anyone else think the dumbbells were an opportunistic find too? They seem to have been all over the house. The one in the garage...a smaller one by the pull-out bed in the basement. I think I recall seeing one in another room too. Perhaps something did not go to plan when inside?

Yes! Why so many dumbells anyway? They were to be moving very soon. Anyway I guess thats neither here nor there.

Welcom lawyer-mum and Jayzo!!! Glad you are here with us, please stick around!

Thinking about the wi-fi/router, etc. So, yes, they should have no problem finding out when it was powered down. But, did DG have a cell phone that connected automatically (or attempted to) in the minutes prior to the power down? They should easily be able to find that out also. Did he even have a cell phone?? I forget if we knew this at some point.

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 2m2 minutes ago
#Garland trial resuming now. #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
Defence is now cross-examining Cst. Clark. #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 37s38 seconds ago
Clark says he was looking for logs on the internet router (connections to other devices connected via password). #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 5s6 seconds ago
Clark confirms if a device is not paired to the router there will be no logs of it. #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie now28 seconds ago
Clark says you can use an ethernet cable to "patch into" the internet router #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie now24 seconds ago
Defence asking if someone tried unsuccessfully to pair if it would be logged. Clark says it depends on type of router. #Garland #yyc

 

[mrazda71]

Since DG had been to the house and knew the layout, MOO is he hit up the office first (that was near the side door if I remember correctly), and turned the router off before beginning, so calls for help were unable to be made.

I live in the Area, and was going to go down and watch a day or two of the trial, but i am pretty certain I'd have outbursts at DG for being such a monster, so it's best I stick to WS!

You're not alone Jayzo! I'm in UK but if I was there I think I would've struggled not to tell him what a pathetic piece of shi t he is

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 53s54 seconds ago
Clark confirms he had never been to Liknes home before June 30, 2014. Never met/heard of them. Doesn't know practices of Likneses #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 23s24 seconds ago
Clark says he doesn't know the Likneses practices: they could have turned things off or kept them on, he doesn't know. #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 49s50 seconds ago
In order to gain access to wifi at Liknes home (and have your connection logged) you'd need the access code, Clarke tells defence. #garland

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 46s47 seconds ago
Clark confirms he did not know Likneses & had never been to their home, so didn't know their habits re. turning router off #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 19s20 seconds ago
Clark says logs are erased when they power a router off. #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 29s29 seconds ago
Clark says he was aware there were 2 functioning cellphones at Liknes residence. Would still work w/o router. #Garland #yyc

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 12s12 seconds ago
Turning router off does not impact cell phones, they'd still function, Clark confirms to #Garland lawyer Kim Ross

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts now30 seconds ago
It's possible the Likneses powered off their internet router to erase logs of their activity, Const. Brian Clarke says. #garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie now23 seconds ago
"you wouldn't have to be a computer genius to do that," Defence Lawyer Ross says of turning off router. Clark agrees. #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts now27 seconds ago
Const. Clarke's evidence done. No further witnesses, but prosecutor Shane Parker to read in statement of agreed facts. #garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 5s6 seconds ago
Jennifer and Rod O'Brien haven't been in court today. I can imagine they needed a break. #Garland #yyc

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 6s6 seconds ago
Cst. Clark's testimony has ended. No more witnesses, but an agreed statement of facts is being read. #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie now43 seconds ago
No financial action of Likneses since June 29, 2014, is in the agreed statement of facts #Garland #yyc

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg now44 seconds ago
Crown and defence agree: No use of credit cards/bank accounts by missing couple after June 29, 2014 #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 38s39 seconds ago
Alvin Liknes' passport found in residence and kathy's expired one found as well, says Parker. #garland


Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 40s41 seconds ago
.@CalgaryPolice determined Alvin + Kathy Liknes + Nathan O'Brien passports were either expired or located. #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts now23 seconds ago
No records any of the three victims entered the U.S. after June 28, 2014, says Parker. #garland

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg now18 seconds ago
Crown and defence agree: Router at Liknes home turned off sometime between 2:10am and 8:10am on June 30, 2014

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts now28 seconds ago
Sometime after 2:11 am on June 30, 2014, the internet router in the Liknes home was turned off, Parker tells jurors. #garland

 

[garbagetweet]

Constable Clark should have some interesting information/evidence to share regarding Garland's internet activity and digital media.

I guess someone else will be going over the forensic evidence from DG's computer and hard drive. I assumed it would be this guy.