Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #21

[dogmatica]

Regarding the entrance of the house with no warrant - are they covered here because of Canada's equivalent to probable cause or something?

 

[Leeesh]

Something else that must just make DG seethe

Oh forsure!!!! I can't imagine how pissed he is listening to everything he did wrong and things he didn't think of or get rid of!

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 4m4 minutes ago
Gallen has moved on to explaining process of collecting footprint impressions in the garage of Likneses home. #Garland

[video=twitter;822522737591746560]https://twitter.com/MetroLucie/status/822522737591746560[/video]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 32s32 seconds ago
When Gallen placed test impression over footprint 13, "These elements corresponded very nicely." #Garland #yyc

 

[dogmatica]

Must be this: "Where there are "exigent circumstances", a police officer may forego the requirement of a search warrant.The Courts have long recognized that the protections of s. 8 are "circumscribed by the existence of the potential for serious and immediate harm." Exigent circumstances "inform the reasonableness of the search...and may justify the absence of prior judicial authorization".[SUP][1]"[/SUP]

 

[Kamille]

Must be this: "Where there are "exigent circumstances", a police officer may forego the requirement of a search warrant.The Courts have long recognized that the protections of s. 8 are "circumscribed by the existence of the potential for serious and immediate harm." Exigent circumstances "inform the reasonableness of the search...and may justify the absence of prior judicial authorization".[SUP][1]"[/SUP]

Yes I think that was covered earlier today in one of the tweets? At least I thought I read it. They were permitted to enter because of the search for the victims. They waited on the warrants before starting the collection of evidence. Or something like that. LOL Those tweets are hard to decipher sometimes.

Oh here are some...

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1h1 hour ago
Gallen says they arrived w/o a warrant w/ special instructions that they were searching for a person (Nathan) #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 1h1 hour ago
"There was a sense of urgency that was put upon us," Sgt. Gallen said of her team's search of the Liknes home.#garland

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 1h1 hour ago
Went in wearing bunny suit, gloves says Gallen. Reported back to homicide after search was complete. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1h1 hour ago
Gallen said after the search they waited outside the residence for the warrant #Garland #yyc

 

[Kamille]

Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 12s13 seconds ago
#Garland now on afternoon break

Bryan LabbyVerified account ‏@CBCBryan now36 seconds ago
#Garland trial is now on break for lunch. Sgt. Gallen will resume her testimony at 2pm.

***I'll be out when the trial resumes so hopefully someone else is available to pick up the tweets. TIA

 

[dogmatica]

Yes I think that was covered earlier today in one of the tweets? At least I thought I read it. They were permitted to enter because of the search for the victims. They waited on the warrants before starting the collection of evidence. Or something like that. LOL Those tweets are hard to decipher sometimes.

Oh here are some...

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1h1 hour ago
Gallen says they arrived w/o a warrant w/ special instructions that they were searching for a person (Nathan) #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 1h1 hour ago
"There was a sense of urgency that was put upon us," Sgt. Gallen said of her team's search of the Liknes home.#garland

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 1h1 hour ago
Went in wearing bunny suit, gloves says Gallen. Reported back to homicide after search was complete. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1h1 hour ago
Gallen said after the search they waited outside the residence for the warrant #Garland #yyc

Well that's good - hoping that's all covered off.

 

[Kamille]

Well that's good - hoping that's all covered off.

So far it seems that the defence only has issues with the fact that LE did not immediately get impressions of, or the actual footwear of JO and the first officers on the scene. I don't think they've disputed the entry but they haven't had a chance to cross this witness yet. I would think they would have done that with the original officers but I don't recall if they did. There WAS a question about their footwear that I recall. I think I remember the officer stating he was wearing standard issue police boots? :waitasec:

 

[Leeesh]

So far it seems that the defence only has issues with the fact that LE did not immediately get impressions of, or the actual footwear of JO and the first officers on the scene. I don't think they've disputed the entry but they haven't had a chance to cross this witness yet. I would think they would have done that with the original officers but I don't recall if they did. There WAS a question about their footwear that I recall. I think I remember the officer stating he was wearing standard issue police boots? :waitasec:

I also remember him stating he was wearing standard issue police boots. And I doubt that JO was wearing size 13 Dr. Scholls lol. So we will see what the defence has to say I guess!

 

[olivebpa1]

I also remember him stating he was wearing standard issue police boots. And I doubt that JO was wearing size 13 Dr. Scholls lol. So we will see what the defence has to say I guess!

JO gave them her shoes. I remember thinking it was so sad during her testimony when she said she had to leave the house with no shoes. The only thing the defense can really bring up is the fact that they never found the actual shoes. A shoe box does not necessarily always mean shoes but you can't expect the jury to accept that it was just a coincidence with all of the other evidence.

 

[Cherchri]

I somehow missed this little gem........

"He did get paid,'' said Liknes, who added his wife was the one who told her brother he was fired.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ial_n_14206936.html+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

 

[kams]

They did have VOIP so the home phones were disabled by shutting down the router. Now since they both had working cell phones, does this explain why AL's was found in a cardboard box in the bedroom? Was the phone on the nightstand and DG threw it in the box prior to whatever transpired to ensure that it wasn't used either? :waitasec:

I agree with this, that is what I thought too as it seemed odd that it was in a cardboard box.

 

[Hatfield]

Just want to thank everyone for covering this trial.

I havent followed this case and have read a little today and surprised at how horrible it was that the child was killed too.

In reading back I havent yet found what his motive was. Do we know yet what his motive was?

 

[PrincessButtercup]

I'm wary of the prosecutor in this case - which is not the norm for me. He / she started the trial by stating that Douglas had a "petty" grudge. That alone suggests that the prosecution has stepped outside of the true role of impartially presenting the facts to imposing an opinion of the facts. That's not the role of prosecutor in Canada. The People don't care what opinion the prosecutor has of the facts.

I am still waiting to hear why a concern about unethical business practices is "petty". I see a problem with Alvin's business practices and would never describe that as "petty". Because the prosecution is willing to attempt to impose an opinion of the facts on the jury at the outset, I think it's also possible that the prosecution may attempt to dramatize other facts. I have less trust of prosecutors who are unable to objectively present the facts of the case.

I wonder if he's using the term "petty" to inflame DG who most certainly would not have seen his grudge as petty. The word may have been very carefully chosen. Just a thought.

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[dogmatica]

I wonder if he's using the term "petty" to inflame DG who most certainly would not have seen his grudge as petty. The word may have been very carefully chosen. Just a thought.

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If he takes the stand - I could see that being effective. Get him all riled up and have him blow a gasket. I doubt he'll take the stand though.

 

[CentralAlberta]

Just want to thank everyone for covering this trial.

I havent followed this case and have read a little today and surprised at how horrible it was that the child was killed too.

In reading back I havent yet found what his motive was. Do we know yet what his motive was?

Crown implied it was because of a lack of payment/recognition DG did on a pump AL was inventing. AL patented the pump after the work. (The pump led to no money for anyone.)

 

[Bravo]

IMO the use of the word petty is accurate. Which goes to the state of mind of the killer. Sense of entitlement much? IMO he was in on some work for the proto type. My husband and his Biz partner share in the Patent. Various folk were involved in helping build, test, wire etc. All were paid. Nobody ever expected to be part of the Patent. For anyone other than inventors to even think they have any part of it would be those involved in financial backing. All done thru Lawyers. For a % if the patent even made any $. It took him and partner 3 years to even get patent approval. Many legal hoops. So why this killer would even think he should be entitled speaks volumes.IMO

 

[Cherchri]

If he takes the stand - I could see that being effective. Get him all riled up and have him blow a gasket. I doubt he'll take the stand though.

Agreed! I think it very unlikely he will take the stand.

 

[PrincessButtercup]

Agreed! I think it very unlikely he will take the stand.

In my fantasies he does 😊😊😊

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[Cherchri]

IMO the use of the word petty is accurate. Which goes to the state of mind of the killer. Sense of entitlement much? IMO he was in on some work for the proto type. My husband and his Biz partner share in the Patent. Various folk were involved in helping build, test, wire etc. All were paid. Nobody ever expected to be part of the Patent. For anyone other than inventors to even think they have any part of it would be those involved in financial backing. All done thru Lawyers. For a % if the patent even made any $. It took him and partner 3 years to even get patent approval. Many legal hoops. So why this killer would even think he should be entitled speaks volumes.IMO

Exactly! Edison is not having to posthumously share his patent with anyone who has subsequently improved on his invention is he. Nor is Alexander Graham Bell. Modification is not the same as invention/concept.