Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #22

[deugirtni]

Personally it makes me wonder if they did not find the blood of one or the other of the adults?

According to opening remarks by the Crown, they found the DNA of 2 victims on a saw, and of the third victim on meat hooks, all located at the Airdrie property. It doesn't say *when* that evidence was discovered though. Officers travelled to Mexico approx one month after the 'event', at which time DG was already charged with 3 murders.

(This article is from August 5, 2014, and interesting to note that it appears that PG and AL were already separated by then, only a month after this event?):

A police spokeswoman confirmed on Tuesday that officers are in Mexico.


“It’s just making sure that all the avenues are covered. There’s nothing to it other than just crossing t’s and dotting the i’s,” said Calgary police spokeswoman Emma Poole.
....

Douglas Garland, 54, is facing two charges of first-degree murder and one count of second-degree murder.


The first-degree murder charges are in connection with the Liknes couple, while the second-degree charge is related to Nathan’s death.


Police lay first-degree murder charges when they believe they can demonstrate “preintent,” Calgary Police Chief Rick Hanson said when the charges were laid. They apply second-degree murder charges when “preintent – the intent to commit the act – may not be there.”
....

Throughout early July, police searched the fields around the home near Airdrie, Alta., where Mr. Garland lived with his parents.

Teams also picked through Calgary’s municipal dumps. The searches continued until July 13. Mr. Garland was arrested very early the next day on the porch in Airdrie. On July 15, Mr. Garland was charged with three counts of murder.


Mr. Garland is scheduled to return to court next week on the murder charges. His sister, Patti, was in a common-law relationship with Alvin and Kathryn Liknes’s son Allen.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...n-missing-liknes-family-case/article19927438/

 

[deugirtni]

I had a horrible thought, but pretty sure it is not the case. I wondered if there could be video showing DG (wearing the shoes in question, which made it difficult for the officer to answer if she had ever seen him wearing them, because she would have been advised not to mention this during her testimony since such evidence has not yet been presented) torturing the victims (while they were still alive) at the G property. But if that were the case, then I'm certain the Crown would have included that scenario in her opening statement.

 

[debsy99]

According to opening remarks by the Crown, they found the DNA of 2 victims on a saw, and of the third victim on meat hooks, all located at the Airdrie property. It doesn't say *when* that evidence was discovered though. Officers travelled to Mexico approx one month after the 'event', at which time DG was already charged with 3 murders.

(This article is from August 5, 2014, and interesting to note that it appears that PG and AL were already separated by then, only a month after this event?):


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...n-missing-liknes-family-case/article19927438/

I don't know how they could work out staying together with the murders having happened. There would be so much grief.


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[deugirtni]

I don't know how they could work out staying together with the murders having happened. There would be so much grief.

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I could absolutely see that if it were a 'normal' family where PG perhaps actually liked her brother, and Alvin obviously loved his dad - that would be intolerable to handle, I would think... but in this case, the two were 'on the same side', so to speak, with both of them seeming to have little care/empathy/regard for DG. Wouldn't it be more normal to kind of lean on one another for emotional support through such a horrible situation, considering they seemed both of the same mindset regarding DG?

 

[mrazda71]

I could absolutely see that if it were a 'normal' family where PG perhaps actually liked her brother, and Alvin obviously loved his dad - that would be intolerable to handle, I would think... but in this case, the two were 'on the same side', so to speak, with both of them seeming to have little care/empathy/regard for DG. Wouldn't it be more normal to kind of lean on one another for emotional support through such a horrible situation, considering they seemed both of the same mindset regarding DG?

If their relationship was solid prior to the murders then yes, I think they could be on the same team but, it would have to be dammed solid to get through this. Maybe they were already having relationship issues and this was just the straw that broke the Camel?

 

[matou]

Globalnews.ca ‏@globalnews 8m8 minutes ago
Cadaver dog handler to testify as 2nd week of Douglas Garland triple murder trial begins.

 

[Hatfield]

I keep thinking how lucky JO was to have not slept over there that last night. Article says she took her infant baby home because he was acting up. If it wasnt for that she may have stayed the night and ended up with same fate.

Its so sad for her other son and her parents. Hatred and holding grudges is a terrible thing. It can fester and get worse as seems to have happened in this case. The person that has the hatred must take steps to change themselves to get peace back in their lives and not carry the grudge. Its easier said than done.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ed-then-burned-in-rural-area/article33633224/

 

[Female]

Globalnews.ca ‏@globalnews 8m8 minutes ago
Cadaver dog handler to testify as 2nd week of Douglas Garland triple murder trial begins.

This testimony could be the start of the crown shedding light on why they believe the victims were alive upon arrival at the farm. Should be an interesting day.

 

[Hatfield]

JMO

The evidence at the trial will be interesting as trial proceeds.

I hope he didnt torture any of them and maybe he was just trying to get rid of bodies. I did find where there appears some evidence on a hard drive where he looked up torture but maybe he didnt act on that.

The evidence and autopsies evidence should help to know what they went through.

If I had to guess at this point I would say he used a clubbing device of some sort to knock them out and get them out of the house over to the other place where he would burn the bodies.

I do think he had planned to torture the man and am just hoping he didnt go through with it. Maybe the man died during the initial clubbing to subdue him and maybe he didnt get a chance to do anything else evil.

The murderer is sick and evil and so I would not put it past him if he did more. I am just hoping he didnt make them suffer.
The fact he killed the boy is telling us he didnt have a lot of remorse about what he was doing. He had his mission and he wanted to do it no matter what else. Which is why JO is so lucky she didnt spend the night too like her boy.

I think he tried to burn the evidence of the bodies.
Using a burn barrel shows he was not too smart because a barrel doesnt do a good job of burning up everything. There would have been some evidence left at bottom of barrel.

I know this because I burn a lot of yard wood and tree limbs and when I use a barrel it keeps going out and even when putting lighter fluid in the barrel the very bottom never burns completely.

Whenever I want to reduce to ashes I have to use an open burn pit where air can get to everything. A barrel would not be the way to go. An open pit could have reduced things down to ashes better because of the oxygen and air getting to everything as its stirred. Even with an open fire pit it is very difficult to burn everything to ash. When burning just wood you have to keep stirring it with a long handled iron rake or shovel otherwise the bottom never burns completely.

Plus it takes a very large fire and very hot fire to reduce things to ash. When burning yard debri in an open pit fire the thing can stay hot for days and days unless put out with water. I once had a large open fire in the yard and even 4-5 days later when I stirred it it was still smoking and smoldering at the bottom.

Those burn drum cans could never complete a clean burn like an open fire pit can. Ive tried the drums and they dont allow a clean burn of yard debris. That murderer probably didnt even know that and would have gotten caught even if he managed to try to burn all the evidence.

That is probably why the female victim was not yet tried to burn all the way. I am guessing the drum he used was probably full and not burning down and he probably just gave up.

The odor while he was burning must have been horrible and I suspect for miles away people smelled a foul burning smell. This murderer was likely to get caught because he made many mistakes.

 

[otto]

Sprigs, you mentioned breaking teeth with barbells.
I was thinking if DG intended to incapacitate AL without killing him where he would direct his hits.

Arguably, the most vulnerable point to hit someone and achieve a knockout is the chin and jaw area (no wonder boxing teaches to tuck in the chin and keep your hands up). It’s often called the “button” by many boxers and fighters. The reason is simple anatomy: The chin is a knockout button because it’s a leverage point that causes the most head movement when hit hard enough. Impact travels through the jaw, up the jawbone and to the temples, which creates enough of a sudden impact without any shock absorption as to rattle the brain inside the skull enough for the person being hit to lose consciousness.

A hard blow to the back of the head can cause the avulsion of teeth (see Michelle Young, NC).

 

[JadeSLeuth]

morning!

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 10m10 minutes ago
Cadaver dog handler to testify as 2nd week of Douglas #Garland triple murder trial begins

 

[otto]

I posted this info previously, which gives links to the patent info and the various times AL applied for patents (there were 4 of them showing up):

<respectfully snipped for space>

5. The apparatus of claim 1, wherein said controls include a programmable logic controller programmed for the operation of said prime mover for rotating said cable drum.

6. The apparatus of claim 5, further comprising means to determine the angular position of said cable drum and outputting a signal to said programmable logic controller.

7. The apparatus of claim 5, further comprising means to determine elongation of said cable.

Do I understand correctly that the bold section represents the changes in the 2009 patent design? He designed the electronic circuit board to remotely control the pump? Did he assume that because he was fired, the project would not go forward?

We know that the patent was issued in 2009, and that Garland is reported to have been upset about this from 2010 - 2014.

Is it possible that he completed the work on the project on his property, that his claims of property stolen is the pump and related work - where he perhaps withheld the project pending compensation, but one of the Liknes family simply took it from his property - and in 2010 he discovered what happened via a patent search? Was he surprised that his design work on the patent was used without his permission - in the sense that he was not paid, and that the work was taken from the property?

 

[otto]

I could absolutely see that if it were a 'normal' family where PG perhaps actually liked her brother, and Alvin obviously loved his dad - that would be intolerable to handle, I would think... but in this case, the two were 'on the same side', so to speak, with both of them seeming to have little care/empathy/regard for DG. Wouldn't it be more normal to kind of lean on one another for emotional support through such a horrible situation, considering they seemed both of the same mindset regarding DG?

The Garland family has money, the Liknes family has always had financial problems (Kathryn and Alvin have both filed bankruptcy, Alvin more than once). Patti Garland stands to inherit at least a million.

Allen has always described Douglas' position as "petty", and Patti probably believed him, but idea theft is not "petty". Perhaps, after the murder, she took the time to fully understand the situation.

The dispute between Garland and Alvin was well known and could easily have been solved with money. What was Allen's role in all of this? I doubt that Alvin could go to the Garland property and remove something that belonged to Douglas, but Allen's relationship with Patti gave him access.

 

[deugirtni]

Do I understand correctly that the bold section represents the changes in the 2009 patent design? He designed the electronic circuit board to remotely control the pump? Did he assume that because he was fired, the project would not go forward?

We know that the patent was issued in 2009, and that Garland is reported to have been upset about this from 2010 - 2014.

Is it possible that he completed the work on the project on his property, that his claims of property stolen is the pump and related work - where he perhaps withheld the project pending compensation, but one of the Liknes family simply took it from his property - and in 2010 he discovered what happened via a patent search? Was he surprised that his design work on the patent was used without his permission - in the sense that he was not paid, and that the work was taken from the property?

This is the 4th patent that I can find a record of AL applying for.... it is not the same one that someone else posted above. This one was not applied for until 2009, which was after the time of DG's involvement.

The bolded part, sorry, is from ME.. I only bolded that part because it notes a 'controller', which was what Allen Liknes testified that DG had been involved with in regard to the pump. Allen sloughed DG's involvement as being a minor aside to the patent/pump, but yet on the patent paperwork, the 'controller' seems to carry significance. (from what I can gather, jmo).

If you follow the link at the bottom of my post above, you will see all 4 of the patents which AL had applied for. I am 'assuming' that this 4th one is the one in question since it was the one applied for after DG became involved. The other link will take you to 6 documents associated with this 4th patent.

 

[deugirtni]

The Garland family has money, the Liknes family has always had financial problems (Kathryn and Alvin have both filed bankruptcy, Alvin more than once). Patti Garland stands to inherit at least a million.

Allen has always described Douglas' position as "petty", and Patti probably believed him, but idea theft is not "petty". Perhaps, after the murder, she took the time to fully understand the situation.

The dispute between Garland and Alvin was well known and could easily have been solved with money. What was Allen's role in all of this? I doubt that Alvin could go to the Garland property and remove something that belonged to Douglas, but Allen's relationship with Patti gave him access.

I'm having so many uncomfortable feelings about this whole thing, in so many ways.

 

[otto]

This is the 4th patent that I can find a record of AL applying for.... it is not the same one that someone else posted above. This one was not applied for until 2009, which was after the time of DG's involvement.

The bolded part, sorry, is from ME.. I only bolded that part because it notes a 'controller', which was what Allen Liknes testified that DG had been involved with in regard to the pump. Allen sloughed DG's involvement as being a minor aside to the patent/pump, but yet on the patent paperwork, the 'controller' seems to carry significance. (from what I can gather, jmo).

If you follow the link at the bottom of my post above, you will see all 4 of the patents which AL had applied for. I am 'assuming' that this 4th one is the one in question since it was the one applied for after DG became involved. The other link will take you to 6 documents associated with this 4th patent.

Absolutely designing the circuit board for remote control of a pump that is used below ground is so significant that it makes the difference between a viable design, and a product that doesn't work. Garland contributed to the patent, and Liknes took credit.

Allen has told everyone who would listen that Garland's complaint of idea theft is "petty", to the extent that even the prosecutor can't think straight - using Allen's words in opening statements (dumb move!). As I see it, Liknes stole from Garland, and when Garland spoke up about this in 2010, his sister and the Liknes family more or less ridiculed him ... accused him of being "petty". It's not surprising that he glared at his sister since she was more interested in believing her boyfriend than her family.

 

[Rayemonde]

Absolutely designing the circuit board for remote control of a pump that is used below ground is so significant that it makes the difference between a viable design, and a product that doesn't work. Garland contributed to the patent, and Liknes took credit.

Allen has told everyone who would listen that Garland's complaint of idea theft is "petty", to the extent that even the prosecutor can't think straight - using Allen's words in opening statements (dumb move!). As I see it, Liknes stole from Garland, and when Garland spoke up about this in 2010, his sister and the Liknes family more or less ridiculed him ... accused him of being "petty". It's not surprising that he glared at his sister since she was more interested in believing her boyfriend than her family.

Does it even matter at this point? It doesn't to me. If Alvin had actually stolen Garland's wallet, it wouldn't make Garland's crime any less heinous. In context, it is absolutely a petty grudge, imo. Besides, Alvin isn't the one on trial here.

 

[matou]

Does it even matter at this point? It doesn't to me. If Alvin had actually stolen Garland's wallet, it wouldn't make Garland's crime any less heinous. In context, it is absolutely a petty grudge, imo. Besides, Alvin isn't the one on trial here.

ITA. I don't give a **** about the pump at all. He is a maniac psycho. If someone gave him a bad look, they could also be dead right now IMO.

 

[matou]

About to start. Who's posting tweets? Kamille?

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Bill GravelandVerified account &#8207;@BillGraveland 6m6 minutes ago

Detective Mike Shute, who arranged and RCMP raid on the #Garland farm, is to complete the testimony he began Friday.