Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #22

[Power of Two]

In this link is an article from The National Post by Christie Blatchford. It is a story and background about Sully, the cadaver dog. In the article she states that the Garland property has been sold. Did we know this? Wondering who bought it, and where have the senior Garlands moved?
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...g-sully-elevates-mood-of-garland-murder-trial

 

[Hatfield]

I wonder if a belt and belt buckle was used as a dragging rope to drag the bodies around where he needed them.

He would have had to have done a lot of moving of the bodies from one place to another as he tried to get rid of all the evidence.

A belt with a belt buckle makes a nice simple dragging device by placing the end through the buckle and attaching it to the ankles. It would be like a noose as it tightens up.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

I've been following along since the beginning of the trial but finally took the plunge and registered. First of all, thank you to everyone who has been posting tweets. It's really helpful to read them all in one place.

Regarding the adult diapers, I'm wondering if the aerial pics showed the bodies of AL and KL wearing what appear to be diapers? I seem to recall reading that the bodies were seen without shirts and pants but no mention of undergarments. It seems like if the bodies were nude there would be some mention of that as opposed to the specific wording of "shirts and pants". That always seemed a bit odd to me.

Welcome Dodes!!!

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[JadeSLeuth]

In this link is an article from The National Post by Christie Blatchford. It is a story and background about Sully, the cadaver dog. In the article she states that the Garland property has been sold. Did we know this? Wondering who bought it, and where have the senior Garlands moved?
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...g-sully-elevates-mood-of-garland-murder-trial

I sure didn't know this! It totally makes sense to me that the senior Garlands sold it off. I feel for the new land owners though; I bet they plow down all those buildings and use it for pasture.

 

[otto]

Found the quote:

“Alvin and Kathy lying prone, face down on the grass at the Garland farm with no shirt on and no pants on,” Faulkner told the jury. “You will also see a small figure curled up on the grass.”

Source: http://globalnews.ca/news/3172718/high-profile-triple-murder-trial-to-begin-for-douglas-garland-accused-in-nathan-obrien-case/

That's an interesting point! It doesn't say that they were 'without clothing', but rather that they were without shirts and pants.

 

[peony27]

So I am not sure if anyone else has mentioned it as I have not been able to read every post, but they put out some pictures where there is a wood chipper next to the burn barrel. I hope it doesn't mean what i think it does. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news.../+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links From what i saw of the overhead photos it was not there July 1st but was there July 4-5.

 

[gen_bug]

In this link is an article from The National Post by Christie Blatchford. It is a story and background about Sully, the cadaver dog. In the article she states that the Garland property has been sold. Did we know this? Wondering who bought it, and where have the senior Garlands moved?
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...g-sully-elevates-mood-of-garland-murder-trial

Yes the house sold earlier this fall. I believe it was September - will have to look back to get exact date.
Most cache's of the realtor pages for the property are unavailable, however this one will pull up the property - unfortunately it does not have photos of the basement

http://matrix.crebtools.com/Matrix/Public/Portal.aspx?ID=1166864298#1

 

[otto]

Yes the house sold earlier this fall. I believe it was September - will have to look back to get exact date.
Most cache's of the realtor pages for the property are unavailable, however this one will pull up the property - unfortunately it does not have photos of the basement

http://matrix.crebtools.com/Matrix/Public/Portal.aspx?ID=1166864298#1

The original low price dropped by half a million because of the murders!

 

[otto]

It's interesting that the evidence went from the attack at the Liknes home to cadaver dogs at the Airdrie property. I wonder when and how evidence of living victims at the Airdrie property will be introduced.

 

[Hatfield]

The original low price dropped by half a million because of the murders!

40 acres and 3 outbuildings for 1 million is inexpensive in most any part of the US and I assume it is inexpensive in Canada too.

However having peace of mind is an intangible thing that you cannot put a price on. Some people may be able to handle this property. I would have to pass on it.

 

[Power of Two]

I sure didn't know this! It totally makes sense to me that the senior Garlands sold it off. I feel for the new land owners though; I bet they plow down all those buildings and use it for pasture.

Though unrelated to the trial, I cannot help but think it would have been quite an undertaking to clear out and move all of the belongings of DG and the senior Garlands at the sale of the property. Who would have helped them? Was there a farm sale? Did they stay in the area? Are the new owners living there now? The Liknes house has been bulldozed, so I wonder, also, if the farm house and outbuildings would be razed by the new owners. Who could live there knowing what (may have) transpired there? Not me.

 

[otto]

40 acres and 3 outbuildings for 1 million is inexpensive in most any part of the US and I assume it is inexpensive in Canada too.

However having peace of mind is an intangible thing that you cannot put a price on. Some people may be able to handle this property. I would have to pass on it.

It's practically free! The property should have been worth at least 2 million, especially given that the town of Airdrie is expanding and the property is prime development land.

 

[Power of Two]

It's interesting that the evidence went from the attack at the Liknes home to cadaver dogs at the Airdrie property. I wonder when and how evidence of living victims at the Airdrie property will be introduced.

Did the CPS take the Sully to the Liknes home? If they did, would the dog have been able to identify if there had been deceased persons there? Given it is a cadaver dog, who looks for bodies/death (ugh) would it be a stretch to surmise that because there was no mention of taking the dog through the L's house that CPS felt there had not been deceased persons there?? Just trying to look for reasons of omission, if that make any sense.

 

[otto]

Did the CPS take the Sully to the Liknes home? If they did, would the dog have been able to identify if there had been deceased persons there? Given it is a cadaver dog, who looks for bodies/death (ugh) would it be a stretch to surmise that because there was no mention of taking the dog through the L's house that CPS felt there had not been deceased persons there?? Just trying to look for reasons of omission, if that make any sense.

I don't think it occurred to them. They went to the Airdrie property on a rescue mission. When no victims were found, they moved to a recovery plan and brought in the cadavre dogs. They were probably not thinking about proving whether the victims were deceased when they left the Liknes home.

 

[Slebby]

Did the CPS take the Sully to the Liknes home? If they did, would the dog have been able to identify if there had been deceased persons there? Given it is a cadaver dog, who looks for bodies/death (ugh) would it be a stretch to surmise that because there was no mention of taking the dog through the L's house that CPS felt there had not been deceased persons there?? Just trying to look for reasons of omission, if that make any sense.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe not for evidentiary purposes, but to direct the investigation, to know: had there ever been any dead bodies at the L home?
If the dog has not been used at the L home, maybe it was because they were using the dog to find actual human remains, not just clues that remains may have been there at one time.


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[gen_bug]

Though unrelated to the trial, I cannot help but think it would have been quite an undertaking to clear out and move all of the belongings of DG and the senior Garlands at the sale of the property. Who would have helped them? Was there a farm sale? Did they stay in the area? Are the new owners living there now? The Liknes house has been bulldozed, so I wonder, also, if the farm house and outbuildings would be razed by the new owners. Who could live there knowing what (may have) transpired there? Not me.

<modsnip>

I most definately could NOT live there myself, but I suppose others would be able to. I would think whoever bought it was aware after how well known this case was, but its possible not - its not a legal requirement to be told.
You can see an aerial of the property taken in 2016 here, and see at this time some of those outbuildings have been removed. I however don't see a listed date for the Aerial mapping.

http://map.airdrie.ca/AerialphotoMobile/en-US/Maps/Index/6?extentMode=0

 

[Power of Two]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe not for evidentiary purposes, but to direct the investigation, to know: had there ever been any dead bodies at the L home?
If the dog has not been used at the L home, maybe it was because they were using the dog to find actual human remains, not just clues that remains may have been there at one time.


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Or was CPS just really convinced that all 3 victims left the house alive, so no reason to take the dog there?

 

[Power of Two]

<modsnip>

I most definately could NOT live there myself, but I suppose others would be able to. I would think whoever bought it was aware after how well known this case was, but its possible not - its not a legal requirement to be told.
You can see an aerial of the property taken in 2016 here, and see at this time some of those outbuildings have been removed. I however don't see a listed date for the Aerial mapping.

http://map.airdrie.ca/AerialphotoMobile/en-US/Maps/Index/6?extentMode=0

It is my understanding that realtors are obliged to disclose if there has been criminal activity on property before closing the sale. Perhaps they only have to disclose if directly asked?

 

[Hearts]

Did the CPS take the Sully to the Liknes home? If they did, would the dog have been able to identify if there had been deceased persons there? Given it is a cadaver dog, who looks for bodies/death (ugh) would it be a stretch to surmise that because there was no mention of taking the dog through the L's house that CPS felt there had not been deceased persons there?? Just trying to look for reasons of omission, if that make any sense.

Can the dog distinguish between blood of an injured person and blood of a deceased person? He is trained to sniff out blood in general I thought so probably wouldn't be much help at the Liknes home given the blood evidence was everywhere and visible.

There must be some reason they thought they were killed at the farm. Or perhaps this is just their theory and whether they died there or were simply disposed of there, it makes no difference in the end to the case against DG.

I'm still confused as to how he managed to subdue and transport them. AL must have been SUPER heavy if he was incapacitated. He likely dragged him in a sheet since they were all missing. Gagged and bound maybe? I'm thinking the blood evidence at the house will tell us AL was struck first, and then he found NO and KL in the guest room and incapacitated them 2nd.

I'm pretty sure KL and NO left the basement and went upstairs to sleep sometime soon after JO left. And the discarded PJs make sense as my kids usually kick off those footy pjs as "too hot" halfway through the night. Maybe they came off as he went upstairs to sleep with KL?

MOO

 

[PrincessButtercup]

It's practically free! The property should have been worth at least 2 million, especially given that the town of Airdrie is expanding and the property is prime development land.

I'm assuming with DG gone his parents wouldn't have been able to manage the upkeep either. My parents had only 4 acres and moved into a town after retirement because acreages are so much work.

Too, the acreage should have increased in value after it became an official part of Airdrie. On the other side, acreages have been taking a really long time to sell in that area. My parents wasn't too far from there and was on the market for 1 1/2 years. My parents property had a lot of upgrades as well.

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