Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #24

[JadeSLeuth]

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Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 40s40 seconds ago
Brooks-Lim's findings: The three victims could have survived the attack but may have internal injuries #Garland

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 55s55 seconds ago
The possible head injury was of concern to Brooks-Lim. Especially the blood pooling near a door and on a bed. #Garland

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 57s57 seconds ago
Brooks-Lim: potential for head injuries were a concern, from 1 headboard and bed in the home, as well as finding of human teeth. #Garland

 

[JadeSLeuth]

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Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 46s46 seconds ago
She said it depends on the severity of the trauma for how long an individual could survive. #Garland #yyc

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 56s56 seconds ago
If there had been head trauma, says Brooks-Lim, there are variables on how long they could have survived. #Garland

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 1m1 minute ago
Brooks-Lim: said she was concerned --blood evidence on headboards showed could be head trauma #Garland

Lucas MeyerVerified account ‏@meyer_lucas 2m2 minutes ago
Brooks-Lim concluded the missing individuals could've sustained fatal or non-fatal injuries based on blood at the scene #Garland #yyc

 

[JadeSLeuth]

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Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 55s56 seconds ago
Brooks-Lim also attended the #Garland farm on July 5, 2014.

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 1m1 minute ago
Brooks-Lim said severity of head trauma would factor in to how long someone could survive #Garland

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 1m1 minute ago
Timeframe for possible death difficult. "It would depend on severity of that trauma and how long an individual could survive." #Garland

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 1m1 minute ago
Brooks-Lim says absence of bodies were biggest barrier to providing more definitive findings #Garland

 

[JadeSLeuth]

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Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 51s51 seconds ago
Brooks-Lim said there were remains from a burn barrel she sifted through looking for evidence of human bones. #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 57s57 seconds ago
Brooks-Lim attended with a forensic anthropologist, an expert in bones and trauma on them. #Garland

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 1m1 minute ago
Brooks-Lim went to #Garland farm on July 5, 2014. "There were remains that were in a pile of burnt material emptied out of the burn barrel."

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 1m1 minute ago
Brooks-Lim attended #Garland farm (July 5) w/ forensic anthropologist who is trained in bones (effects of trauma & disease on skeleton)

 

[JadeSLeuth]

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Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 38s39 seconds ago
"At that time we were not able to identify any remains that were clearly human," said Brooks-Lim, everything was very charred #Garland #yyc

 

[JadeSLeuth]

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Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 41s41 seconds ago
Brooks-Lim says materials from burn pile (ashes) had been burned for significant time at high heat. "They were very charred." #Garland

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 48s48 seconds ago
Dr. said she sifted top layers to see if she could ID human bones-but said she wasn't able to determine if human #Garland

 

[JadeSLeuth]

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Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 57s58 seconds ago
Dr. Brooks-Lim said they were later provided material from burn pile, again "to the naked eye" she couldn't identify human bones. #Garland

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 59s60 seconds ago
Dr. said Bones were "very severely burned" and in fragmented small pieces--unable to tell if they were human remains #Garland

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 1m1 minute ago
Further remains were brought to the Calgary ME office and again unable to identify as human remains said Dr. Brooks-Lim. #Garland

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Jadesleuth, you really are amazing

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Nah, just quick on the keyboard

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 1m1 minute ago
Brooks-Lim being asked about the effects of chloroform - says used as an anasthetic and can cause a loss of consciousness. #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 1m1 minute ago
Chloroform can be used to cause loss of consciousness, says Brooks-Lim. #Garland

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 1m1 minute ago
Crown: What does chloroform do to a person?
B-L: Anesthetic agent, inhaled, causes loss of consciousness #Garland

 

[Kamille]

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Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 57s58 seconds ago
Dr. Brooks-Lim said they were later provided material from burn pile, again "to the naked eye" she couldn't identify human bones. #Garland

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 59s60 seconds ago
Dr. said Bones were "very severely burned" and in fragmented small pieces--unable to tell if they were human remains #Garland

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 1m1 minute ago
Further remains were brought to the Calgary ME office and again unable to identify as human remains said Dr. Brooks-Lim. #Garland

I guess they should have tried to get Tracy Rogers, an expert forensic scientist, on this case. She probably would have been able to identify at least one of the bone fragments.

MOO

 

[JadeSLeuth]

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Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 35s35 seconds ago
Being asked about cremation - Says once a temperature is above 1800 degrees Fahrenheit the bone will "turn to ash". #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 37s37 seconds ago
Soft tissue and bones will be turned to ash at a temperature of 1,000 C. #Garland

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 54s54 seconds ago
Brooks-Lim: temp to cremate body varies, but once reaches greater than 1,000 centigrade, soft tissues and bones will burn to ash. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
Brooks-Lim says cremation is generally done 180 degrees F causing the bones and flesh to burn to ash. #Garland #yyc

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 1m1 minute ago
Crown: What's temp needed to cremate a person?
B-L: greater than 1000 degrees centigrade will cause body to burn to ash
#Garland

 

[JadeSLeuth]

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Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 54s54 seconds ago
Later, more items brought to medical examiner office -could not be identified as human remains #Garland

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 1m1 minute ago
Crown: How long would it take to burn adult body?
B-L: As an estimate-- 2 hours w/ 150 lb adult in box, in crematorium environment
#Garland

 

[Kamille]

DISTURBING FOR SOME - Re info on cremation






Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 35s35 seconds ago
Being asked about cremation - Says once a temperature is above 1800 degrees Fahrenheit the bone will "turn to ash". #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 37s37 seconds ago
Soft tissue and bones will be turned to ash at a temperature of 1,000 C. #Garland

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 54s54 seconds ago
Brooks-Lim: temp to cremate body varies, but once reaches greater than 1,000 centigrade, soft tissues and bones will burn to ash. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
Brooks-Lim says cremation is generally done 180 degrees F causing the bones and flesh to burn to ash. #Garland #yyc

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 1m1 minute ago
Crown: What's temp needed to cremate a person?
B-L: greater than 1000 degrees centigrade will cause body to burn to ash
#Garland

All bones to ash? Doesn't even happen in a crematorium :waitasec:

What about all the teeth fragments?

MOO

 

[JadeSLeuth]

I guess they should have tried to get Tracy Rogers, an expert forensic scientist, on this case. She probably would have been able to identify at least one of the bone fragments.

MOO

Maybe they did?

 

[JadeSLeuth]

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Lucas MeyerVerified account ‏@meyer_lucas 1m1 minute ago
Brooks-Lim says general understanding when burning a human body is once it's over 1000 degrees centigrade, body turns to ash #Garland #yyc

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 1m1 minute ago
Brooks-Lim said in a steady environment (like a crematorium) it would take about 2 hours for an adult human body to burn completely #Garland

 

[JadeSLeuth]

gone quiet...

 

[Blue Amethyst]

Off topic. I always have a anxiety attack when I only see a few new comments.
Then dumb dumb me realizes there is a new thread. [emoji16]


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It is a good thing that they put a link to a new thread or I would never find it. So thanks for that.

 

[olivebpa1]

I guess they should have tried to get Tracy Rogers, an expert forensic scientist, on this case. She probably would have been able to identify at least one of the bone fragments.

MOO

She said "at that time" and "to the naked eye" so i am hoping later on they were able to determine they were human bone fragments.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

It is a good thing that they put a link to a new thread or I would never find it. So thanks for that.

Don't forget to subscribe on the new one!

 

[Bravo]

This is so morbid......didn't killer purchase a grinder? IIRC? Bones could have been ground down and put back in burn barrel??