Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #27

[dogmatica]

See, that is what confuses me. He at least has the possibility for parole. I would rather see a life sentence with no parole option, ever.

That doesn't exist in Canada.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 37s37 seconds ago
Gates: jurors have to consider if Douglas #garland had the intention to commit murder

 

[Tealgrove]

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 49s50 seconds ago
If #Garland killed victims through unlawful act but didn't have murderous intent jurors will have to convict of manslaughter, says Gates.

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 1m1 minute ago
Gates:"you will have to use your common sense" to decide if #Garland intended to cause the deaths of Alvin & Kathy Liknes and Nathan O'Brien

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 1m1 minute ago
Gates: Intention is a state of mind...use your common sense to infer from evidence because you can't read minds #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
"you should look at Mr. #Garland words and actions before and after" the offence, to help them decide what he meant and didn't mean to do

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 1m1 minute ago
Or that "Mr. #Garland meant to cause bodily harm...likely to kill Alvin Liknes, Kathryn Liknes or Nathan O'Brien.

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 2m2 minutes ago
#Garland would either have to intended deaths, or grievous harm likely to cause death to be convicted of murder, says Gates.

I'm pretty sure he had murderous intent.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 31s31 seconds ago
When considering intention, Gates tells jurors to keep purchases made by #Garland (knives, meath saw, etc) in mind. #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 1m1 minute ago
In deciding intention jurors can look at items #Garland bought before killings, such as meat saw, meat hooks and knives, says Gates.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 40s40 seconds ago
Gates now going over evidence found on the hard drive found hidden in the rafters of the #Garland home

 

[Spellbound]

That doesn't exist in Canada.

ahhh .... now I think I get it. Dangerous Offender is probably the highest judgment/ punishment he can get?

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 31s31 seconds ago
Gates: jurors should consider Internet searches related to Alvin and Kathy Liknes #garland

Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 2m2 minutes ago
Gates says - in deciding intention, jurors can look at purchases #garland made - such as meat saw, meat hooks, knives

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
Gates reminds jurors of internet searches that they might want to consider (Kathy's phone #, Kathy's fbook page, search for Alvin) #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 2m2 minutes ago
Searches of lock picking and the type of lock on the Liknes home may go to issue of intent as well, says Gates. #Garland

Lucas MeyerVerified account ‏@meyer_lucas 2m2 minutes ago
Gates says on question of intent, jury can consider hard drive from #garland home #yyc

 

[JadeSLeuth]

ahhh .... now I think I get it. Dangerous Offender is probably the highest judgment/ punishment he can get?

That's my understanding, but others will know more

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 1m1 minute ago
Gates going over Internet searches done on hard drive of Kathy and Alvin Liknes and their estate sale. #Garland

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 58s58 seconds ago
Gates confirms no searches about Nathan O'Brien were ever done-according to forensic exam of #Garland hard drive

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 28s29 seconds ago
"There is no evidence before you of any searches conducted or any images saved relating to Nathan O'Brien," Gates notes. #Garland

 

[MistyWaters]

Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 31s31 seconds ago
Gates: jurors should consider Internet searches related to Alvin and Kathy Liknes #garland

Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 2m2 minutes ago
Gates says - in deciding intention, jurors can look at purchases #garland made - such as meat saw, meat hooks, knives

Dogmatica, wouldn't you agree this is planning and deliberate intent to kill as opposed to preparation for a kidnapping?

 

[JadeSLeuth]

at this pace we may be here all night...

:sigh:

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 50s51 seconds ago
Gates reminds jurors that the defence's admission is that what happened at Liknes home and at #Garland farm are separate #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 2m2 minutes ago
Gates points out defence argues what happened at the Liknes home and what occurred on #Garland farm were completely separate events.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Raffy BoudjikanianVerified account ‏@CBCRaffy 1m1 minute ago
Judge Gates now going through #Garland Internet searches: bone-grinding, man-bone grinding, lack of oxygen brain damage minutes, others...

Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 40s40 seconds ago
Gates: listing Internet searches: most painful torture, bone grinder, human dissection kit, autopsy set #garland

 

[Spellbound]

at this pace we may be here all night...

:sigh:

Hold the Vitamin-A then..... I intend to be here, not sleeping!

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 25s25 seconds ago
All the items found on #Garland farm including handcuffs and other restraints and adult diapers may help jurors determine intent, says Gates

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Thanks MG. Tell us about the ppl in court, describe the scene for us ...

[video=twitter;832000433447124993]https://twitter.com/CBCMeg/status/832000433447124993[/video]

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Thanks MG. Tell us about the ppl in court, describe the scene for us ...

How about a pic of the Crown and the Def?

 

[dogmatica]

ahhh .... now I think I get it. Dangerous Offender is probably the highest judgment/ punishment he can get?

No, I believe 1st degree murder is the highest. Dangerous offender is simply a designation after conviction - but a person with a dangerous offender designation could technically be released at any time - but doesn't have to be. Could be 5 years, they look at the behavior and say "he's changed, free to go". However, a first degree murder conviction means - you aren't leaving prison for AT LEAST 25 years.