Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #28

[Cherchri]

I forgot to thank Silly Billy and Cold Pizza - thank you both for keeping everything on an even keel. XX

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Dear fellow websleuthers, I've been a lurker since the beginning of this case. This case and Nathan in particular, has always weighed heavily on me, maybe it's because in the beginning I truly believed they would be found. I just wanted to say thank you for all the posts & information, and knowing there good people out there who want justice served. I'm glad the jurors came back with the right decision. I'm leaving my kids star light on tonight for Nathan, Kathy & Alvin and for their families. ������

BBM - What a kind thought. Welcome MaddieM!!

:welcome4:

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Thank you to all the tweeters who gave me a place to find not only the daily updates but the inside view of the evidence

... and congratulations to Jade Sleuth with your new job!

Thanks otto! You worked so hard on this one....

I'll be glad to move over to Victoria's thread with you and see what we can do.
Hopefully many others will join us!

 

[subwaydreaming]

I would be interested in knowing what DG's psychiatrist thinks. I'm sure the psychiatrist didn't have a clue this would happen, but did he/she have insight into DG's deviant personality, fetishes, grudges, obsessions, etc.

Just seems odd to me that DG would have to see a psychiatrist every week just for ADHD meds and checkup.

 

[PrincessButtercup]

Dear fellow websleuthers, I've been a lurker since the beginning of this case. This case and Nathan in particular, has always weighed heavily on me, maybe it's because in the beginning I truly believed they would be found. I just wanted to say thank you for all the posts & information, and knowing there good people out there who want justice served. I'm glad the jurors came back with the right decision. I'm leaving my kids star light on tonight for Nathan, Kathy & Alvin and for their families. 💚💚💚

I'm going to leave out 3 candles for them like we did when they were missing.

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[Sillybilly]

I didn't say they took too long. And I'm not faulting the jury. They came to the right decision.

What I'm saying is that I'm surprised there was at least one person who needed that much time. It's hard to understand what a holdout would be thinking and how on earth that holdout (or those holdouts) got themselves so tied up in knots.

I'm thinking it might have just been a holdout between 1st or 2nd degree on Nathan.

 

[Olivia&Eve]

Thanks otto! You worked so hard on this one....

I'll be glad to move over to Victoria's thread with you and see what we can do.
Hopefully many others will join us!

Victoria's thread? What is this one?

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[Stargazer42]

My coworkers and I cheered when we heard the verdicts. May there be healing, tonight.

I was laid off for a while and therefore had the time to go chase the Northern Lights with my camera. I went out north-east of Airdrie a few times, after dark. It's a good area to escape city lights. Sometimes with friends, a couple of times on my own. I probably drove by the Garland farm a few times. Now I'm never going out alone!

 

[otto]

I would bet that Garland got stoned every night that he could for the last 30 years.

Does he have access to marijuana and narcotics in prison?

 

[otto]

How do you think DG will spend his jail life? Will he commit suicide? Or somehow enjoys whatever he can get from the prison like the other psychopaths such as Scott Peterson? Maybe Canadian jail is not as comfortable?

He will want to tinker with gears, pulleys, and wires.
He'll take classes - something that is encouraged in rehabilitation.
Perhaps he's thinking that he can reduce a consecutive 75 years before parole sentence through good behaviour.

 

[Snoopster]

First off, this is my first chance to post since the verdict came in. All I can say is WHAT A RELIEF! I know this doesn't mean 'closure' for the family, however at least the stage of picking at the open wound has passed.

I'm still ticked that DG made that family sit through that process. :angry: I'm sure he did it just hoping that an error would be made so he could get acquitted or at a minimum get an appeal. From what we've heard and seen he seems to think he is smarter than everyone else.

I didn't find it surprising or exceptionally long for the jury to come back with their verdict. We had the opportunity to discuss evidence and bat around opinions and interpretations over the past 4-5 weeks as the evidence was presented. I can see that the jury would want to discuss all of the evidence (no shortage there!) and give everyone a chance to express their opinions and thoughts. I'm sure they were diligent. I'm glad they didn't rush.

 

[Hatfield]

GUILTY of 1st degree murder of Kathy Liknes

GUILTY of 1st degree murder of Alvin Liknes

GUILTY of 1st degree murder of Nathan O'Brien

So glad to hear about the verdict.

Couldnt follow live today but so glad justice has been served.
Such a relief.

 

[Tealgrove]

I've been on the road all day and checking in with Tapatalk. This is my first opportunity to post.

There are no words that I can use to express my utter hatred for DG. Now I know he's going to rot in jail and that's A-OK by me.

CPS did a phenomenal job, as did the Crown and all that put in hour after hour to see Justice done for Nathan, Alvin and Kathryn.

To the jury, my sincere thanks, respect and admiration. It was a tough haul and you got it right. Sleep well tonight knowing that you did the only good thing left to do for Nathan, Alvin and Kathryn.

To Judge Gates, my gratitude for being human and looking after your jurors.

I am so glad this is over.

To the Liknes family and the O'Brien family I wish you peace and the strength to heal.

This trial has brought me to tears on several occasions.

I will never forget Nathan, Alvin and Kathryn. Sleep well, for now you can rest. It is done and you are forever in our hearts and in our prayers.

RIP

 

[Hatfield]

First off, this is my first chance to post since the verdict came in. All I can say is WHAT A RELIEF! I know this doesn't mean 'closure' for the family, however at least the stage of picking at the open wound has passed.

I'm still ticked that DG made that family sit through that process. :angry: I'm sure he did it just hoping that an error would be made so he could get acquitted or at a minimum get an appeal. From what we've heard and seen he seems to think he is smarter than everyone else.

I didn't find it surprising or exceptionally long for the jury to come back with their verdict. We had the opportunity to discuss evidence and bat around opinions and interpretations over the past 4-5 weeks as the evidence was presented. I can see that the jury would want to discuss all of the evidence (no shortage there!) and give everyone a chance to express their opinions and thoughts. I'm sure they were diligent. I'm glad they didn't rush.

Well said.

Its been quite a ride this trial. Learned so much about the differences between Canada and US trials. I really liked some of the differences.

I especially like how the evidence has to be presented without opinions from the attorneys. I really like that. Just show the jury the evidence and give your opinion in closing only and then let the jury decide what it all means.

Thats a great way to handle it.

 

[otto]

I agree that only 10 people coming back with consecutive sentences and 2 having no opinion is telling. I was a little surprised by that.

It's interesting that the jury essentially branded him as a dangerous offender. That is, he is looking at the same 'die in prison' sentence as a dangerous offender like Paul Bernardo (Garland had photos of Bernardo's victims) ...three consecutive first degree murder convictions. The former Col. Russell got off easy by confessing for concurrent convictions - and sweeping the child under the carpet.

Very few people in Canada are sentenced without an opportunity for rehabilitation, but the recent change in law to include consecutive sentencing automatically allows the jury to sentence a criminal to : no opportunity for release. No opportunity for release is the norm in the USA, even applied to teenage children. Now a triple murderer in Canada can be sentenced to years beyond his natural death. How long before Canadian sentences are as ridiculous as those in the USA ... like 250 years.

 

[Kamille]

It's interesting that the jury essentially branded him as a dangerous offender. That is, he is looking at the same 'die in prison' sentence as a dangerous offender like Paul Bernardo (Garland had photos of Bernardo's victims) ...three consecutive first degree murder convictions. The former Col. Russell got off easy by confessing for concurrent convictions - and sweeping the child under the carpet.

Very few people in Canada are sentenced without an opportunity for rehabilitation, but the recent change in law to include consecutive sentencing automatically allows the jury to sentence a criminal to : no opportunity for release. No opportunity for release is the norm in the USA, even applied to teenage children. Now a triple murderer in Canada can be sentenced to years beyond his natural death. How long before Canadian sentences are as ridiculous as those in the USA ... like 250 years.

It's been a little confusing today regarding the consecutive vs concurrent sentencing that is now available in Canada so I just wanted to clear something up for you. The jury did not and can not sentence DG. The judge simply asked for their recommendation (or opinion really). He will take their vote into consideration and decide what to sentence DG with tomorrow morning at 10am.

HTH

 

[otto]

For example, suppose someone murders 7 people and each sentence is 25 years before parole eligibility. Now that Canadian law allows for consecutive sentencing, it's possible for someone to be sentenced to 7X25= 275 years in prison before parole ... and then ...

We are in the silly season of the USA where hundreds of years before parole eligibility ... seems more like 'revenge' than 'rehabilitation'.

Rehabilitation has an exit date that pre-dates death.
Only dangerous offenders are sentence to prison that exceeds a natural lifespan.

Something should be fixed before this jury and Judge recommend a 75 year sentence prior to parole, as it is not in keeping with the philosophy of Canadian understanding of criminal behaviour and criminal intent.

Everyone is entitled to a chance ... be-headers, triple murderers, and matricide - everyone gets another chance in Canada and a "die in prison" sentence is only really normal with "dangerous offender" status, which requires a specific legal application for designation.

Something is off about the jury voice in sentencing. The adjustment by the Judge from first degree murder charges to a full spectrum of conviction options (sounds like the prosecution was nervous) including manslaughter, and a complete disregard for rehabilitation as an important right and belief in Canada criminal law, sounds like a 'free fall' of misdirected socialism. That's a bit like the French Revolution.

Are Canadian prison psychiatrists and psychologists unable to rehabilitate prisons? _Will sociopathic murderers be confined to their fantasies for life or can all those psychiatrists and psychologist correct bad behaviour like the guy who cut off someone's head on a greyhound bus and cannabalized the victim.

Sheesh ... rehabilitation or punishment?

Canada has always been like Europe in favour of rehabilitation.
So .. where does a parole eligibility that extends beyond life span fit in that big picture?
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[Tealgrove]

It's been a little confusing today regarding the consecutive vs concurrent sentencing that is now available in Canada so I just wanted to clear something up for you. The jury did not and can not sentence DG. The judge simply asked for their recommendation (or opinion really). He will take their vote into consideration and decide what to sentence DG with tomorrow morning at 10am.

HTH

I think he will go with consecutive. I personally believe it is warranted in this horrific case. If anyone should NEVER see the light of day again it is DG.

MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

For example, suppose someone murders 7 people and each sentence is 25 years before parole eligibility. Now that Canadian law allows for consecutive sentencing, it's possible for someone to be sentenced to 7X25= 275 years in prison before parole ... and then ...

We are in the silly season of the USA.

Rehabilitation has an exit date that pre-dates death.
Only dangerous offenders are sentence to prison that exceeds a natural lifespan.

Something should be fixed before this jury and Judge recommend a 75 year sentence prior to parole, as it is not in keeping with the philosophy of Canadian understanding of criminal behaviour and criminal intent.

Everyone is entitled to a chance ... be-headers, triple murderers, and matricide - everyone gets another change in Canada and a "die in prison" sentence is only really normal except with "dangerous offender", which requires a specific legal application for designation.

Something is off about the jury voice in sentencing, full spectrum of conviction options, and complete disregard for rehabilitation.
Are Canadian prison psychiatrists and psychologists unable to rehabilitate prisons? Can they not die in a senior's home instead, or will sociopathic murderers be confined to their fantasies for life?
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Well, maybe it's time that Canadians decided that some criminals are not worthy of rehabilitation and second chances. I, for one, am extremely happy that hopefully we will never have to worry about DG again.

Some criminals deserve to die in prison and I think a lot of Canadians would agree.

MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

Time for bed.....I'll catch up tomorrow for sentencing. Good Night Everyone.