Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #2

[LayzeeDayzee]

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[kmclaren]

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[otto]

interesting because 65 million shares at ten cents is $650k. Blue Sky shares in 2008 were .001. Fulucai was a feature length film production company now an O&G company (big jump), who recently bought into Blue Sky Langsta in Indonesia.

I've got a hunch that A.Liknes has a stash of cash and his plan went horribly sideways. Who has an estate sale on a long weekend?, if anything the sale should have been Stampede weekend (this weekend). And as for the great observation of hours of darkness, twilight to twilight here in Calgary makes for not much dark time, so spontaneous robbers would not readily have guessed on this.

As for affluent neighborhoods, Calgary (older money) shunned the gaudy monster homes and it's not uncommon for that older oil executive to be living in a bungalow. Even Mount Royal homes aren't that big by U.S standards,, modesty used to rule the day here.

There is something really fishy about all the business ventures. The Vecto company has almost an identical name to a legit company with Vector, rather than Vecto. That company was delisted in 2008 (read that a couple of days ago). I've tried to research the bankrupcy, and searched a few names of companies, but haven't found any info yet.

 

[otto]

The brother lives and owns a business in Evansburg, which is Yellowhead County, west of Edmonton.

I thought that he was the one that lived in Mazatlan, where the family may have planned to visit after moving to Edmonton. Maybe that's a timeshare.

 

[Peace777]

interesting because 65 million shares at ten cents is $650k. Blue Sky shares in 2008 were .001. Fulucai was a feature length film production company now an O&G company (big jump), who recently bought into Blue Sky Langsta in Indonesia.

I've got a hunch that A.Liknes has a stash of cash and his plan went horribly sideways. Who has an estate sale on a long weekend?, if anything the sale should have been Stampede weekend (this weekend). And as for the great observation of hours of darkness, twilight to twilight here in Calgary makes for not much dark time, so spontaneous robbers would not readily have guessed on this.

As for affluent neighborhoods, Calgary (older money) shunned the gaudy monster homes and it's not uncommon for that older oil executive to be living in a bungalow. Even Mount Royal homes aren't that big by U.S standards,, modesty used to rule the day here.

And the Dow hit an all time high yesterday. Just an observation and my 2 cents

 

[Teabiscuit]

They have got video from two or more homes. Police are saying it is "less of a mystery". They must know something. I hope they are safe, but have a bad feeling.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...t-case-less-of-a-mystery-say-police-1.2695310

 

[Andromeda]

interesting because 65 million shares at ten cents is $650k. Blue Sky shares in 2008 were .001. Fulucai was a feature length film production company now an O&G company (big jump), who recently bought into Blue Sky Langsta in Indonesia.

I've got a hunch that A.Liknes has a stash of cash and his plan went horribly sideways. Who has an estate sale on a long weekend?, if anything the sale should have been Stampede weekend (this weekend). And as for the great observation of hours of darkness, twilight to twilight here in Calgary makes for not much dark time, so spontaneous robbers would not readily have guessed on this.

As for affluent neighborhoods, Calgary (older money) shunned the gaudy monster homes and it's not uncommon for that older oil executive to be living in a bungalow. Even Mount Royal homes aren't that big by U.S standards,, modesty used to rule the day here.

Stan, yesterday I posted up thread that I thought the bankruptcies were relevant. And then there is the association with MLMs. Then there has been postings about Casinos. What do the stock market, MLM and Casinos have in common? Get rich quick scheme/lose lots of money fast. What you've posted has as Bre-X-esque ring to it. Regarding abductions. It is rare for stranger abductions to occur, statistically it's someone known. Regardless if it's a business acquaintance or a family member, I'm of the opinion that whatever has gone down, one or all knew the perp/s. There is definitely more than one involved as how is it that three people can be abducted in the dead of night and no one sees or hears a thing? If the abductors are perfect strangers as a result of Kijiji, then this case is an anomaly. It's uncomfortable for people to "go there", but as someone above just posted, money is the root of all evil. Think Wills and how divisive one can be to the family if there is money on the table. The common underlying idea to this mystery is money. Be it oil, estate sale, real estate, etc. jmo

 

[Wondergirl]

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[HulaMum]

Could they be very close by? As, in walking distance. Any houses under construction? Empty new builds? Storage sheds? I do notice that one next to the tennis courts.

Has there been a true door - to - door search in the area?

 

[The_Axis]

I'm new the the site but have lurked for awhile - this is my first post!

I've tried to keep up so pardon me if this is repeat info.

I wanted to provide clarity on why I think they are downsizing/moving to Edmonton and then on to Mexico. My parents winter in Mexico and maintaining their OHIP is a huge concern, as well as the fact that insurance health premiums for added coverage jump up after a certain number of days out of country.

To maintain their healthcare in Alberta they need to maintain permanent residence there and be present for 183 days of the year - so even if they bought a small condo in Edmonton (thus the downsizing) - or are staying with family (did they have family in Edmonton?) and calling it their permanent residence, that would explain the move.

"If you are physically present in Alberta for at least 183 days in a 12 month period, you remain eligible for continued AHCIP coverage. If you are away longer, contact us."

http://www.health.alberta.ca/AHCIP/outside-coverage.html

Mexico is extremely cheap and given their apparent financial troubles, and the fact that Alvin has a brother living there, they may be planning to spend almost 100% of the year there, while maintaining a cheap option in Edmonton as their permanent home to keep their healthcare. (Alvin has a limp... so maybe health is also a serious concern)

 

[Kaliste]

Are we back up and running? Thanks for all the hard work, MODS! Praying today is the day Nathan and his grandparents are found.

 

[Kaliste]

Could they be very close by? As, in walking distance. Any houses under construction? Empty new builds? Storage sheds? I do notice that one next to the tennis courts.

Has there been a true door - to - door search in the area?

I've wondered this too. We've seen lots of pictures of LE thoroughly going through the home but I haven't heard of/seen any searches reported off site. Maybe they have reason to believe they're no where nearby?

If I were a home invading, murderous I'd probably dispose of any bodies and evidence as soon as possible. I'm holding out hope this is domestic as it's the best chance they are alive.

 

[Elainera]

Woohooo we are back on!! Looks great! Thanks Kimster, Adnoid and all the mods for making this happen!


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If money is a motive in this case, could one of the grandparents have been abducted to force him or her to sign some papers to sign over money or property or other assets? The other grandparent and Nathan could have been seen as additional leverage to get them to sign and therefore taken as well.

I had a friend who was murdered when someone tried to force her to sign over her property to him. She refused and the guy stabbed her.

 

[Thinkzerz]

We can't jump to this conclusion. All passport or drivers licence photos are kept on file, so it's quite easy (and common) for LE to access them and put them out in alerts for missing people. It ensures that they can get a decent picture out quickly - especially as these types of photos need to be front on with no headwear, etc.



Nathan's grandma is Nathan's mum's mum. So I think it's a comfort to Nathan's mum thinking that her mother is looking after her son, rather than a reflection on her step father (Nathan's grandpa).

I agree somewhat. I just heard nothing about Grandpa and how he too might be comforting the child. It was just a feeling and seemed off to me.

 

[ilovepierre]

DL pics IMO.

Or passports photos.

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[otto]

Stan, yesterday I posted up thread that I thought the bankruptcies were relevant. And then there is the association with MLMs. Then there has been postings about Casinos. What do the stock market, MLM and Casinos have in common? Get rich quick scheme/lose lots of money fast. What you've posted has as Bre-X-esque ring to it. Regarding abductions. It is rare for stranger abductions to occur, statistically it's someone known. Regardless if it's a business acquaintance or a family member, I'm of the opinion that whatever has gone down, one or all knew the perp/s. There is definitely more than one involved as how is it that three people can be abducted in the dead of night and no one sees or hears a thing? If the abductors are perfect strangers as a result of Kijiji, then this case is an anomaly. It's uncomfortable for people to "go there", but as someone above just posted, money is the root of all evil. Think Wills and how divisive one can be to the family if there is money on the table. The common underlying idea to this mystery is money. Be it oil, estate sale, real estate, etc. jmo

That's my belief as well. This has always had a feel to it that two people were looking for a quick, easy way to get rich. The bankruptcy two years ago suggests that they had debt and didn't want to honour it. If someone was wiped out, or financially compromised, that could be a motive. The fact that this occurred when the grandparents were liquidating, their lease was up (was that in June or July?), they were leaving the city, they should have cash and assets somewhere, and not even their children knew what they were doing after leaving the city, suggests that they wanted to hide from someone for financial reasons.

 

[ilovepierre]

The Amber Alert said that Nathan was with his grandfather.

The grandmother was mentioned in first Amber Alert report, was she not?
I know some reports leave her out, while others have her in.
Bad reporting, maybe?

 

[Cherchri]

NEW
Nathan O'Brien Amber Alert: news conference expected later
Police tell CBC Calgary to expect a news conference at 2 p.m. MT
CBC News Posted: Jul 04, 2014 10:47 AM MT Last Updated: Jul 04, 2014 10:47 AM MT

 

[Elainera]

That's my belief as well. This has always had a feel to it that two people were looking for a quick, easy way to get rich. The bankruptcy two years ago suggests that they had debt and didn't want to honour it. If someone was wiped out, or financially compromised, that could be a motive. The fact that this occurred when the grandparents were liquidating, their lease was up (was that in June or July?), they were leaving the city, they should have cash and assets somewhere, and not even their children knew what they were doing after leaving the city, suggests that they wanted to hide from someone for financial reasons.

Lease was up end of June I believe.

Selling the house in December under price is also an indication that there was some rush to get away.