Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #7

[LayzeeDayzee]

Suspect not arrested at hotel. Resident's acreage.

I'd like to know HOW he got from the Airdrie Motel to the rural property? If LE had previously seized his green truck, how did he get out there? Did someone drive him?

 

[J1981]

Re: JO letting NO stay overnight...my kids ask weekly to spend the night at either of their grandparents' houses. It's just a safe, fun sleepover (rather it's SUPPOSED to be) and if the L's were moving he would want to spend time with them. I would imagine he fell asleep- maybe JO woke him to take him home and he said "can I just stay here?"
Let's please not place any more blame on JO than she is SURELY placing on herself. Her WHOLE life just turned upside down and she will literally never be the same. I feel horrible for her. Motherhood is hard as it is. My heart hurts for her.

 

[peony27]

If the parents are in the process of liquidating everything so they can skip town, and their house has been gutted by an estate sale, common sense dictates that a five year old child is better off in his own bed. I suppose part of me is upset that the grandparents wanted their grandson to spend the night given that it was not an ideal situation by any stretch of the imagination.

I would have done the same thing. I know my children would be very upset if their grandparents were moving away and would want one last night with them. We do not know how empty the house actually was. Sometimes when you move houses you end up sleeping on just a mattress anyways, or at least that has happened to lots of people I know.

 

[rizzo0904]

I don't think DG went back to the farm (if he in fact did) because he's dumb. I think he may be very into routine and has to do things a certain way at a certain time every day. Getting back into his routine was probably gnawing at him.

 

[Kelannsha]

When the child's grandparents are leaving town and the child will not see them for a long time?

Exactly my thoughts...we have a very close family, and my parents would want my daughter (4) to sleepover anytime (it would be fun with no furniture!)....especially when/if they may not see her for awhile. I have a 2 year old and he is not privy to sleepovers just yet. I can relate to the scenario easily.

 

[otto]

It is perfectly reasonable for a parent to leave a kid with grandparents. I understood that mom was helping with the clean-up and possibly NO fell asleep so she left him there for the night rather than move him home. It was never said that she dropped him off at 10pm, that's just when she left. He was probably already sleeping.

I understand that. Nathan, a five year old, attended a day long (or 3 day long) estate sale, spending long hours in the warm sun and having lots of interactions with family and strangers. Was he really better off sleeping at a house where everything but the kitchen sink was for sale, or sold? I suppose I'm more strict as a parent and wouldn't have done that, but others make different choices. It's something that has bothered me from the beginning - [modsnip]

 

[Weebles]

Calgary Sun ‏@calgarysun
To clarify, the family of the three murder victims have told the Sun that police told them Garland has been arrested.

https://twitter.com/calgarysun

 

[rizzo0904]

How does an insanity plea work in Canada? I'm concerned it will go this way based on his previous history of mental illness.

On a different note, I was one wondering if DG were really the guilty person. But looking back you gotta KISS. His parents weren't stepping in to help him. He had a criminal past. There was "bad blood". History of mental illness. Truck seen nearby that night.

 

[ztzt]

The chief said the conclusion was reached after examining the collected evidence "piece by piece, piece by piece, piece by piece, ...". I wonder if they found something relating to those chemicals that led them to conclude the victims were dead.

 

[tiredblondy]

If the parents are in the process of liquidating everything so they can skip town, and their house has been gutted by an estate sale, common sense dictates that a five year old child is better off in his own bed. I suppose part of me is upset that the grandparents wanted their grandson to spend the night given that it was not an ideal situation by any stretch of the imagination.

I totally understand but my children loved sleeping on the floor at grandparents. Just being with them, spending time with them and those hugs, kisses and so much love they received from them would have been worth it in my eyes as a parent. Especially knowing they were leaving soon...

 

[bakerlady]

I believe that means it was not pre-meditated, whereas the first degree charges were because the suspect planned it ahead. JO may have been right, NO was not supposed to be there.
Devastating.

But how would they know 2 were planned ahead of time? Recorded phone conversations, hard drives, diary?

Maybe it means the suspect and one victim had a physical altercation and one succumbed to the injuries, not planned but a fight that got out of hand.

And then the suspect decided he needed to kill the other people there b/c they were witnesses.

Premeditation can be mere minutes or seconds in advance. It does not have to be a long drawn out process.

 

[otto]

Can we infer anything from the overnight sequence of events?

If the Crown agreed it was time to lay charges last night, LE would arrest POI on those charges.

Except that isn't exactly what happened. They picked him up at 1:30am after an "opportunity" (Chief's wording) arose.

My guess is this means they interpreted a violation of release conditions and arrested him during the night, and that this morning LE/Crown made the decision to lay the murder charges.

He said that they met with the prosecutor that is handling the case yesterday and made the decision that the victims are no longer alive, and that charges will be laid.

 

[2Hope4]

When we were moving, my kids had a grand time 'camping out' in the new bedrooms that had no furniture in it at all. In fact, we got rid of all except our bedroom furniture in the move, and bought new once we closed on the new house.

This isn't just a tragedy...I don't think there's a word to describe it. Heartbreaking.

I guess we won't know what the perps motive was until the trial. No motive is worth killing someone else except sell defense, or someone molesting your child. In those cases, well, I agree with their motive! If money is the motive, well greed doesn't win in the end. A child's life....I just can't understand....

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Hug someone, do a random act of kindness in honour of the family ...

What a lovely thought, PrincessButtercup...:grouphug:

 

[Weebles]

Mike Lumsden @MLumsden770
Hanson confirms that person in custody was arrested on land near the acreage in #airdrie #AmberAlert #yyc #yeg

https://twitter.com/MLumsden770

 

[bakerlady]

Gosh, why not leave the bodies!!! This makes me so upset, and so angry!!! Removing the bodies to cover your own ass, when you're going to be caught anyway! UGH UGH UGH! Let the families have the right to give their loved ones the respect they deserve in death!!!!

I think there was a fight and the suspects DNA would have been on the victims.

 

[The_Axis]

I understand that. Nathan, a five year old, attended a day long (or 3 day long) estate sale, spending long hours in the warm sun and having lots of interactions with family and strangers. Was he really better off sleeping at a house where everything but the kitchen sink was for sale, or sold? I suppose I'm more strict as a parent and wouldn't have done that, but others make different choices. It's something that has bothered me from the beginning - [modsnip].

I guess strict parents kids don't get murdered... this is victim blaming and I wish we'd close this topic. There was NOTHING sinister about this poor little boy being left to sleep at his grandparents and his mother did NOTHING wrong.

 

[J1981]

I understand that. Nathan, a five year old, attended a day long (or 3 day long) estate sale, spending long hours in the warm sun and having lots of interactions with family and strangers. Was he really better off sleeping at a house where everything but the kitchen sink was for sale, or sold? I suppose I'm more strict as a parent and wouldn't have done that, but others make different choices. It's something that has bothered me from the beginning -[modsnip]

Was he "better off" in his own bed? Of course! Kids need routine and structure. I'm a strict mom too, especially with bedtime and knowing my kids' limitations with long days.

HOWEVER, I think this was just a single circumstance where, because the L's were moving, NO's parents made the (perhaps never before made) decision to let him stay. It could have been fun with furniture out and a tent up or something!

Otto- your posts are ALWAYS really great- I have to agree to disagree with you here

 

[otto]

But how would they know 2 were planned ahead of time? Recorded phone conversations, hard drives, diary?

Maybe it means the suspect and one victim had a physical altercation and one succumbed to the injuries, not planned but a fight that got out of hand.

And then the suspect decided he needed to kill the other people there b/c they were witnesses.

Premeditation can be mere minutes or seconds in advance. It does not have to be a long drawn out process.

Perhaps there was cell phone activity between the parties, suggesting that a meeting was planned. Perhaps there was evidence in the truck that indicated that Alvin was killed in the truck, but not enough evidence to suggest that it was spontaneous. Perhaps a weapon was used, but no similar weapon (such as a knife) was missing from the home.

 

[Weebles]

Nathan O'Brien, grandparents were murdered, police say
Bodies of 5-year-old Calgary boy, grandparents Alvin and Kathy Liknes have not been found

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-grandparents-were-murdered-police-say-1.2706455