CANADA Canada- Amanda Antoni, 31, found dead in her basement, considered suspicious but ruled an accidental fall down stairs, Calgary, 26/10/15, *Netflix*

[Normancita]

In 10 more days it will be 9 years since this happened.

I wonder if police have gleaned any new information…..

 

[LoopyLeah]

What’s with all the Coca Cola cans?

 

[Moonstrawbs]

What’s with all the Coca Cola cans?

I assumed they kept their recycling down there until they were ready to take it out, but it ended up scattered amidst the fall. jmo.

 

[Dani1385]

So hypothetically let's say another object other than piggy bank was used for those back of the head wounds... It didn't happen in the kitchen, nor the stairs - the attack would have to be in the basement where there seemed to be spatter on the wall by base of the stairs(?) but no DNA!

So hear me out. If someone was in her face in the kitchen and AA scurried down the stairs, could there have been a struggle on those stairs? AA tries to go back UP the stairs, culprit does a forehead/head smash on the piggy bank to daze her from behind AA while AA is trying to get UP stairs, pushes AA down stairs where she lands at base of stairs.

Is is possible an attacker was actually on the bottom couple stairs and maybe used an object on AA while she was incapacitated lying at base of stairs? Some hits to the head to stop the struggle? So attacker still wasn't officially in the basement but on the carpeted stairs. Hence no DNA in basement since attacker didn't need to go there. IIRC it looked like spatter by base of stairs but I'm foggy.

Yes! I have thought all along that she didn't fall down the stairs. Instead she was coming back up the stairs. Possibly trying to get away from someone. They grab her from behind and jerk her down. Then smash her face into the piggy bank and the railing. The right orbital bone was broken. That would account for the broken bone if she was smashed with force into the piggy bank from that angle. The attacker then grabs her by her pants and jerks her backwards back down the stairs. This accounts for her pants being down and slippers off.

 

[Dani1385]

I try to understand your scenario. Still not successful at this. My problem. - How does the perp get behind AA on the stairs? She returns and is going up the stairs and he is behind her, but how did he get there, when he before was above her on the landing and she was running down the stairs?

This makes perfect sense to me. Especially since her injuries are in the right side of her face and the right orbital bone was cracked or broken. That would account for the damage on the right side of her face.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Yes! I have thought all along that she didn't fall down the stairs. Instead she was coming back up the stairs. Possibly trying to get away from someone. They grab her from behind and jerk her down. Then smash her face into the piggy bank and the railing. The right orbital bone was broken. That would account for the broken bone if she was smashed with force into the piggy bank from that angle. The attacker then grabs her by her pants and jerks her backwards back down the stairs. This accounts for her pants being down and slippers off.

I totally agree! Good angle on the pants too, that makes total sense (to me) A struggle happened I think mid-stairs that went up and down a bit.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

This makes perfect sense to me. Especially since her injuries are in the right side of her face and the right orbital bone was cracked or broken. That would account for the damage on the right side of her face.

For sure, going up the stairs. Head grabbed/smashed from behind to slow her down.

 

[Normancita]

For sure, going up the stairs. Head grabbed/smashed from behind to slow her down.

The question is…..by WHO???

 

[FromGermany1]

The question is…..by WHO???

I remember her husband as saying, A didn't like to go into the basement. WHY did he mention it? When my wife has an accident ("accident") at home and it seems, she has fallen down from above, I wouldn't have in mind, whether she ever liked the basement or not. Nobody selects the place in advance, where s/he would like to struggle and fall down, ending up dead.

Maybe, he knew or guessed, A was going upstairs (when attacked) and had been in the basement before. THEN his statement makes sense. MOO

 

[jdowning55]

A few things I wonder about this case... I'm not sure if they ever said about
1. if the piggy bank was ever tested for DNA or fingerprints
2. Who actually knew they were both supposed to be away for the weekend and more importantly who knew that the husband just went and she stayed home
3. All I saw was the crime scenes photos from the show.. Was there any exits in the basement? Doors windows or any other way in or out?

 

[jdowning55]

The thing that immediately stood out to me though was that there was no railing on those steps! It didn't even look safe at all...could very well be a tragic accident but as I stated in my previous post I think those questions would need to be answered before I lean one way or the other..

 

[FromGermany1]

The thing that immediately stood out to me though was that there was no railing on those steps! It didn't even look safe at all...could very well be a tragic accident but as I stated in my previous post I think those questions would need to be answered before I lean one way or the other..

AA may have fallen perhaps (as I meanwhile experienced a stupid fall myself), but where and how she ended up, doesn't fit quite well. IMO

 

[jdowning55]

AA may have fallen perhaps (as I meanwhile experienced a stupid fall myself), but where and how she ended up, doesn't fit quite well. IMO

I think that's what I find so interesting about this case nothing fits quite well

 

[jdowning55]

I think that's what I find so interesting about this case nothing fits quite well

Do you have a theory?

 

[lonewanderer]

Question:

Was the dogs bowl of food and water still full?

If so, who filled it during those 40 hours or so between the phone call and her husbands arrival?

 

[lonewanderer]

How many steps where those stairs? Honestly, it doesn't look like a very long fall. I am having a hard time believing that much damage could have been done by accident with the small amount of stairs.

What did she actually die from? What caused THAT much blood? I have not looked at the scene extensively and I am no blood spatter expert but there seemed to be a lack of bright red blood, like arterial bleeding.

Did someone push her out of her chair, knock her phone out of her hand, beat her up, and throw her down the stairs? OR was someone sitting in the chair, jumped out of it, attacked her, knocked her phone out of her hand and threw her down the stairs?

Was she being held captive down there? I also wonder if any of the wiped up areas was from her being captive and using the bathroom on the floor. Maybe she didn't come back up the stairs if her dog was being held captive upstairs and her captor was threating to hurt the dog if she came back up the stairs any further.

I also think the piggy bank could have gotten busted from close quarters hand to hand combat and the piggy bank was busted by a wild punch or elbow during a struggle.

My mind is just jogging for anything that would make outside the box sense.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

How many steps where those stairs? Honestly, it doesn't look like a very long fall. I am having a hard time believing that much damage could have been done by accident with the small amount of stairs.

What did she actually die from? What caused THAT much blood? I have not looked at the scene extensively and I am no blood spatter expert but there seemed to be a lack of bright red blood, like arterial bleeding.

Did someone push her out of her chair, knock her phone out of her hand, beat her up, and throw her down the stairs? OR was someone sitting in the chair, jumped out of it, attacked her, knocked her phone out of her hand and threw her down the stairs?

Was she being held captive down there? I also wonder if any of the wiped up areas was from her being captive and using the bathroom on the floor. Maybe she didn't come back up the stairs if her dog was being held captive upstairs and her captor was threating to hurt the dog if she came back up the stairs any further.

I also think the piggy bank could have gotten busted from close quarters hand to hand combat and the piggy bank was busted by a wild punch or elbow during a struggle.

My mind is just jogging for anything that would make outside the box sense.

Yes I agree. I know someone (a senior none the less) who recently just fell down a stairwell of an apartment building and they are odd steep stairs (carpeted) though. Only injury was a sore back!

AA wounds do not align with the piggy bank and fall IMO.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Question:

Was the dogs bowl of food and water still full?

If so, who filled it during those 40 hours or so between the phone call and her husbands arrival?

Good question unsure it's been addressed, I'm foggy but I do remember the dogs did go to the bathroom in the house while in there.

 

[SilentHill]

I would love to write this one off as a freak accident but my gut tells me there's something more to it. Then again maybe I am slightly biased here, I am a similar age to her and suffer from migraines and also self medicate so perhaps there's a part of me that really doesn't want to believe that it was just an accident.

The migraines do cause a range of symptoms, I sometimes get vertigo and even occasional temporary vision loss in one eye. Unfortunately due to how seriously these symptoms affect me, my partner would personally not leave me alone during a migraine episode because I am at high risk of accident and require assistance (getting me drinks, food, medication etc.) but I know not everyone operates the same and the symptoms vary from person to person and honestly even from migraine to migraine.

I can understand the tripping over the pet scenario too, I have two cats and they get right under your feet when your walking around if they want your attention!

It's the combination of everything together though that really makes me question this being an accident. Falling down the stairs and bleeding out doesn't sound unreasonable but combine that with the location of the stairs, the angle of the fall to hit the ornament, the tipped over chair and the dropped phone and it starts to stop making sense as an accident to me.

 

[Charlot123]

Yes I agree. I know someone (a senior none the less) who recently just fell down a stairwell of an apartment building and they are odd steep stairs (carpeted) though. Only injury was a sore back!

AA wounds do not align with the piggy bank and fall IMO.

This depends. On the time of the day, the light, sober or drunk, how steep are the stairs.