CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #1

[dotr]

Does anyone else think it interesting that Ms. Gleave's former husband offered up her maiden name and the fact that she had no family? I can't imagine my husband saying the same about me if I were killed in such a hideous manner. They were married for seven years and all he really said is that she was incredibly intelligent. Given that she didn't think so highly of him and they had no children (are we certain?), one has to wonder why she didn't reclaim her maiden name or claim a new one. I don't know the culture in Canada at the time--the mid 70s. Would an Eastern European name have been a hindrance? Hard to imagine but I'm just wondering.

Very good point about keeping the husband's name,especially for a seemingly "forward thinking " woman like Audrey.
Here is a link concerning Hamilton and E.Europeans that I previously posted on the Mariam Makhniashvili thread.
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/299344--the-gypsy-kings-part-1-of-2

 

[Sillybilly]

I don't know how Audrey's life and horrific death might factor into this, but her handyman has a once-removed social networking connection to Robin Clay (Robin Baden-Clay) who was Lachlan Cranswick's source for the extensive history of the Baden Powell family. Can't imagine right now what it might be, but am wondering if there's something in that circle that could play into these mysterious cases.

 

[Mercyneal]

Gosh, I grew up in Ancaster and my best friend's mother in Ancaster when I was six, was the niece of Lord Baden Powell. Ancaster's a very small town...Don't think they have any connection to Audrey, however.

 

[Sillybilly]

Gosh, I grew up in Ancaster and my best friend's mother in Ancaster when I was six, was the niece of Lord Baden Powell. Ancaster's a very small town...Don't think they have any connection to Audrey, however.

Thanks for that info Mercy. These are just observations that don't necessarily have a direct connection to Audrey ... just that the common denominators of physics, McMaster, and the Baden-Powell family exist for whatever reasons in both cases.

 

[Missizzy]

I somewhat grasp the issues with the Roma people in Canada--very similar to the Irish travelers in the US. But the last name of Doveika seems to be either Latvian or Lithuanian and not common at all. Obviously the heritage could be intertwined but being that we've seen a group of older scientific papers authored by a much older person named Doveika, I would think that that name would be a proud one--especially in science circles. Unless, of course, the papers were out of favor for some reason, that is.

 

[Missizzy]

I've posted this once before and just checked it again. There's no way for me to actually access the paper. However, this is what is found on a google search of ~Doveika 1930:

"The 1917, 1923 and 1930 keV levels. Several authors [table 1 of ref. .... 1) L.V. Groshev, B.A. Bartholomew, A.M. Demidov, A. Doveika, V.I. Palekhov, .... Work supported in part by the Atomic Energy Control Board of Canada"

If you click on this, you'll be taken to a paper written in 1974. My guess is that the earlier papers are cited in the footnotes or bibliography. It might just be the way this is truncated but the Atomic Energy Control Board of Canada did not commence work until 1946. I found that a bit odd as the US was certainly looking at the issue far earlier. These citations are to papers were also written far earlier which must have somehow informed the research in 1974.

I've wondered if this isn't Ms. Gleave's father (or even mother). Being that she was born in Canada in 1937 before the worst of the Holocaust in Lithuania or Latvia, I've wondered if her parents were not spirited out to assist with scientific research in Canada. I know that the Allies handpicked many high level scientists and helped them escape the advance of the Nazis.

I'm out of my league here but was research into atomic science and nuclear physics being done in the 20's and 30's? If so, wouldn't a young science major (especially a young woman in a field commonly filled with men) be proud to carry that name once it was clear she was done with the Gleave family. It seems that her last contact with any of the Gleaves was at her former father-in-law's funeral in 1976 (other than emails to a former brother-in-law). That would have been 7 years after her marriage--the time quoted as to how long the marriage lasted.

I find it very interesting that she jokingly called Einstein her boyfriend. Well, Einstein escaped Nazi Germany in 1933, only 4 years before Ms. Gleave's birth. I have to wonder if there could have been some family or professional connection between Einstein and her parents.

 

[Missizzy]

Yes, the research of atomic energy and nuclear physics was well under way in Canada, at least by 1930. This is concerning a scientist totally unconnected with Ms. Gleave, as far as I know, but it illustrates just how far back research was being done:

http://media.cns-snc.ca/history/early_years/earlyyears.html

"....He joined the staff of the National Research Council of Canada (NRCC) in 1930 and became active in improving the measurement of radiation dosage in the treatment of cancer and in promoting safety from radiation exposure.

He has been involved in nuclear energy development in Canada since its beginning, continuing in the Montreal nuclear energy laboratory in 1943-44 and at the Chalk River Nuclear Laboratories. He directed the staff that did the preparatory research and development and the conceptual design of the NRU reactor...."

more at link



Also, a short overview:

"In the 1930’s, European scientists made great progress in nuclear research. When
Hitler’s armies marched into the Czechoslovakia in 1938 and then Poland in 1939 –
the beginning of World War II – many of Europe’s top scientists were already fleeing
the coming war. Researchers and scientists on both sides of the war were fully aware that nuclear fission could be used in a weapon, but at that time not quite clear on how. Shortly, physicists stopped publishing their results within the field of fissile
processes, to prevent their opponents from reaching their results faster.

The Manhattan Project

The Manhattan Project is the name of a huge project launched by the US, Canada and the UK in`1942 to develop an atomic bomb sooner than Hitler’s Germany managed to do the same. Born out of a small research program in 1939, the Manhattan Project eventually employed more than 130,000 people. The leader of the project, General Leslie Groves, created multiple production and research sites that operated in secret.

The three main centres were found in the US: Oak Ridge in Tennessee, Hanford in
Washington and Los Alamos in New Mexico. In addition, more than 30 research sites
were established in the US, Canada and the UK....."

more at link


I hope that's just an innocent little pond in Ms. Gleave's backyard!!


ETA: On one of the later papers (mid 80s) in which one of Ms. Gleave's papers of 1969 is cited, her name is highlighted. No other name is highlighted in the same way, just hers. Page 22.

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/6850210-JWgofH/

 

[Sillybilly]

Adam is Robin's grandson. About 2/3 way down the page on LC's site:

Robin > Nigel > Adam

http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/1860-essays-reviews/smyth_familytree.html

 

[Sillybilly]

ETA: On one of the later papers (mid 80s) in which one of Ms. Gleave's papers of 1969 is cited, her name is highlighted. No other name is highlighted in the same way, just hers. Page 22.

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/6850210-JWgofH/

<snip>

Her name isn't highlighted when I go there Missizzy ... maybe you used the search feature on the page and that's what caused the highlighting?

I notice however that part of those 3 lines, where the Doveika name is contained, have been smeared or partially erased. Don't see that anywhere else in the document.

Given all the missing scientists, i can't help but wonder if Audrey's mother who disappeared is A. Doveika.

 

[Missizzy]

Sillybilly--Go to the link I posted, click on "view document" (it's a pdf) and then search in the document for the name/word "Doveika". It will come up only on page 22. If you look closely, it looks as if someone hand highlighted the last name. It is "greyed" over the name--not actually highlighted in another color.

I just noticed that the document was last updated on December 27, 2010. That was a bit disturbing to note.

 

[Hazel]

Sillybilly--Go to the link I posted, click on "view document" (it's a pdf) and then search in the document for the name/word "Doveika". It will come up only on page 22. If you look closely, it looks as if someone hand highlighted the last name. It is "greyed" over the name--not actually highlighted in another color.

I just noticed that the document was last updated on December 27, 2010. That was a bit disturbing to note.

Missizzy, the name is not highlighted in the document. Scroll down to page 22 without doing a "search" for the name "Doveika" -- it is the "search" feature that highlights it in order to help the searcher find the word he/she is looking for much faster.
Hope this helps

There are more documents in the web in pdf format, containing the Doveika name. Will go find those links for you both. I personally don't think that has anything to do with her being murdered, not even sure if that Doveika is related to her, but what do I know?

Editing to Add:

• Page 18: http://www-nds.iaea.org/reports-new/indc-reports/indc-nds/indc-nds-0046.pdf
  
  
• Page 9: http://www-rsicc.ornl.gov/Newsletters/news.68/news68.february.pdf
  
  
• Page 20: http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/6016883-0ETFSb/6016883.pdf

 

[tiredblondy]

Any news???

 

[kozel]

I think her husband mentioned her maiden name simply because it is a relevant biographical detail, maybe the journalist who interviewed him asked about it. I don't think it's very uncommon for people to die without friends or family. The classifieds section of any newspaper is filled with legal noticed placed by lawyers looking for heirs or creditors of people who die alone with no will or plans for the disposition of their assets. Oftentimes I've seen in these notices "John Doe, who died on or about x day of x month" which to me implies that the body wasn't discovered right away as the person lacked social contacts.

 

[Missizzy]

Kozel--That brings up a excellent point. I wonder if Ms. Gleave officially named LV as her executor or if LV volunteered after the murder, as she was a close friend.

In other words, did Ms. Gleave leave a will, outlining her wishes for her property and her pets?

 

[Valleyboy]

Kozel--That brings up a excellent point. I wonder if Ms. Gleave officially named LV as her executor or if LV volunteered after the murder, as she was a close friend.

In other words, did Ms. Gleave leave a will, outlining her wishes for her property and her pets?

I do believe that the courts will appoint an executor is there is none named and no will is found.

 

[Sillybilly]

Kozel--That brings up a excellent point. I wonder if Ms. Gleave officially named LV as her executor or if LV volunteered after the murder, as she was a close friend.

In other words, did Ms. Gleave leave a will, outlining her wishes for her property and her pets?

According to Sgt Hrab, there was a LWT:

Jan 4 2011 at:
http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/308663--a-complicated-vicious-killing

Hrab says an executor to her will has been found and will be making funeral arrangements.

Although funeral/burial arrangements had to be handled immediately, I believe probate would still need to be applied for and granted in order for the Executor to handle all other aspects of the estate.

In that same article:

An obituary listed on the funeral home's website, beckettglaves.com, says cremation has already taken place and asks for donations to the SPCA.

 

[dotr]

This area is about an hour and a half away from Ancaster, so I thought it might be worth noting.
http://www.680news.com/news/local/a...argets-homes-of-female-seniors-in-bowmanville
Robber targets homes of female seniors in Bowmanville
The Canadian Press and 680News staff Jan 28, 2011 11:43:39 AM
BOWMANVILLE, Ont. - Durham Regional Police are looking for a suspect involved in break-ins at the homes of older women in Bowmanville.

Police said in the last month, the suspect has been knocking on the door of female seniors around seven in the evening, claiming to need help or having car trouble.

 

[Missizzy]

Hazel--Thanks for clearing that up. You are correct. For some reason, the highlighting looks different than I'm used to. The document might not be connected in any way but the date that it was last updated sure is interesting. December 27, 2010.

 

[LilyMacBloom]

I was at my club this week and my girlfriend Sara, who lives one concession over from Audrey was telling us of an odd thing that happened.
Sara went on to say that a man on a bicycle with a lot of equipment came up their driveway Tuesday night. (their driveway is about 2 km!) He gave his name as Bill P. and said he was bicycling to Calgary to see family. He asked if he could pitch his tent for the night and he would be gone in the morning.
My other girlfriend Dianne, who lives one concession on the other side of Audrey, piped up. She said she and her husband were out doing some gardening in the summer and a guy on a bicycle with same said story stopped to talk to them. He chatted their ears off. Dianne’s husband offered the guy a beer and after drinking the beer the guy actually asked for another one. Dianne couldn’t remember the guy’s name and actually called her husband to ask if it was the same name but he couldn’t remember what the guy called himself.
Sara then went on to say that they told Bill P. that he could sleep in the back of their cube van.
Then a couple of police cars came up Sara’s drive to ask if all was OK? Apparently Bill P. had been at the neighbours and the neighbours told Bill P to move on and called the police. The police offered to take Bill P. to a shelter. Sara said no need he could sleep in the cube van. In fact Sara even gave him a bowl of soup!
I just about lost my noodle on her!!!! Gave her about a dozen reasons why she shouldn’t have let the guy stay. Her response was pretty much she didn’t get a “bad” feeling off him and that he didn’t “look” like a murderer and that everyone was just over sensitive due to Audrey. I asked her if she thought P.B. or R.W. looked like a murderer.
How many homeless guys are wandering around in this area anyway? Clearly Bill P is known to police. Keep in mind there is about a foot of snow here and is -7.

I just noticed the earlier post about thefts, sheesh.:banghead:

 

[Hazel]

Hazel--Thanks for clearing that up. You are correct. For some reason, the highlighting looks different than I'm used to. The document might not be connected in any way but the date that it was last updated sure is interesting. December 27, 2010.

ITA, it's very odd that the document was updated on that specific date. Coincidence?
That is an old document, what needed to be updated anyways? Re-uploaded?