CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #1

[LilyMacBloom]

I'm going to stay with what I was told by Suzie:
Lynne V was very anxious to have the clean out of the house and the settling of the estate done ASAP to have all this behind her. Therefore the sale of the house.

Lynne said that nothing was missing from the house including A's purse, which held ALL of her important documents. (even though the police report that there is ) I will put forth this though, perhaps A went out for a Timmies, which is just at the 403 Garden ave exit which is very close. Since it's so close perhaps she didn't take her purse, just some change. Perhaps she came home to find someone in the garage.

Given that scenario, was the perp/perps on foot? For a stranger to wander up that long drive on a lonely lane looking to b&e seems kind of a stretch and if on foot you'd think if A drove up and surprised the perp/s would take A's car and make a hasty retreat.

Seems to make more sense to me that the perp/s may have had a means of transportation? What think you?
Also, I'm beginning to think that this wasn't a STRANGER, perhaps A didn't know the perp/s but I'm beginning to think they had some way of knowing her.

 

[dotr]

Cattle prod used in home invasion
http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/483206--cattle-prod-used-in-home-invasion
Hamilton police are looking for three men after a home invasion on Beach Road early Wednesday.

It appears one of the men was armed with an electric cattle prod but it is not known if he used it.

Some items were stolen after the men burst in just after midnight.

There are no reports of serious injuries and the incident is still under investigation.

 

[Sillybilly]

I'm going to stay with what I was told by Suzie:
Lynne V was very anxious to have the clean out of the house and the settling of the estate done ASAP to have all this behind her. Therefore the sale of the house.

Lynne said that nothing was missing from the house including A's purse, which held ALL of her important documents. (even though the police report that there is ) I will put forth this though, perhaps A went out for a Timmies, which is just at the 403 Garden ave exit which is very close. Since it's so close perhaps she didn't take her purse, just some change. Perhaps she came home to find someone in the garage.

Given that scenario, was the perp/perps on foot? For a stranger to wander up that long drive on a lonely lane looking to b&e seems kind of a stretch and if on foot you'd think if A drove up and surprised the perp/s would take A's car and make a hasty retreat.

Seems to make more sense to me that the perp/s may have had a means of transportation? What think you?
Also, I'm beginning to think that this wasn't a STRANGER, perhaps A didn't know the perp/s but I'm beginning to think they had some way of knowing her.

I don't doubt your friend's info at all Lily. Just that LE would hold certain info very close to their vests, no matter how close a friend might be to the victim, so it could well be that LE has not shared info on items that were taken with anyone. LE had a choice of reporting one of two things: items were not taken from the home OR items were taken from the home. They chose the latter. LE would not know what Audrey's possessions were, so IF items were taken, somebody told them what those items were, and it would have to have been someone who knew the house well.

OR LE put false info out in the faint hope that a perp would call and say, "That's not true ... I took blah blah".

IIRC, we heard that AG was a nighthawk. We also heard that the neighbours dogs were barking wildly around 2:30 am. A late night trip to Timmie's would not be out of the question and I wonder if Audrey's driver's licence was still in her purse. I doubt anyone would drive anywhere without taking their licence (especially to TIM HORTON'S ... LOL)

 

[dotr]

I was wondering if anyone knows what breed of dog the neighbours had- I have 2 different breeds of dog, each responds more acutely, to different things.For example, the small dog has excellent hearing and responds to things from way in the distance, whilst the other(big) dog usually only barks at nearby sounds,but could smell everything! Once when a person died on someones walkway (natural death) my dog pulled me right to the spot, even though it was days after the fact and we had no connection to the house or the deceased.
So, what I am thinking is - were the (neighbour's)dogs barking at about 2-3am because someone was trying to enter their house, or were they responding to the smell of blood,or death (in the distance), or the (presumed) barking of Audrey's dogs?...

There was a sexual" assault" in my 'hood and( other locales) where the Le were sort of vague about what exactly happened (i.e rape?). I would have wondered what that really meant,but I now know, that the attack was solely for the purpose of taking undergarments.Ya, I know -not as humorous as it might have been, once upon a time. Just one interpretation of sexual "component".

 

[Missizzy]

A couple of points. First, I can't rule out Ms. Gleave's age concerning a rape. Billie Joe Harris, in Texas, is sitting in jail right now for numerous rapes of women far older than himself. His victims, that have been identified, range from the 50's up to 90. Harris is a fine looking 53 year old man with a number of former wives and girlfriends. Once again, it's not about the sex or the sexiness or the attractive body, it's about control. We also have Simon Angilda in Kansas City who just pleaded guilty to the rape of a woman in her 90s. Angilda is, once again, a very fine looking 20 year old. And we have the teen and the 28 year old man who stabbed to death the 93 year old woman in a satanic killing. IMO, if the motive is not passion/rage or theft; it's simply got to be about control or thrill. And I think that it's entirely possible that more than one person was involved. If it was a thrill killing or one linked to the occult, there would almost certainly be two or more.

I'd still like to know about visitors to that cemetery. How do visitors access that cemetery. Are there any police records of complaints about gathering or teens hanging out? We can't forget that the week Ms. Gleave was murdered was a very unique week in many ways. It was the Christmas holiday week, just a few days after the winter solstice, within a couple of days of a full lunar eclipse and that strange magnetic tipping that occurred. All these things point to a possible gathering at the cemetery. Has anyone checked on the weather for those 2-3 days?

Concerning the dogs, I checked and I see no description of the types of dogs which the F family keeps.

I agree with sillybilly that LE might not be totally forthcoming with what they have and what they don't. Someone, male or female could be under tight surveillance. I think that the wisest thing the police can do is to tell folks to be vigilant. Isn't that taking the middle ground? The things we are being told could be totally opposite from what police know, if they are attempting to make their case.

 

[Missizzy]

Every time I go back and read older articles, I see something new. Neighbors have complained that LE has not questioned everyone. I wonder if they've thoroughly questioned the F family and the son's girlfriend?

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/a...e-warn-public-after-horrific-killing-of-woman


"...Gleave’s neighbour, LF, described her as a recluse, “almost like a hermit.” “We knew she was lonely, but to die like this, I’m sorry she had to die alone,” said Ms. F, who lives with her husband, DF, their adult son, CF, and his girlfriend, JB.

For many years, neighbours knew Gleave only through the occasional friendly wave, F said. But a couple of years ago, Gleave asked for F’s email address, and after that she would occasionally pass on jokes, riddles and Internet links. The last email F received from Gleave was on Monday night, when she passed on a link to a version of “Amazing Grace.”

That is the last time police believe anyone who knew Gleave had contact with her. No neighbours reported seeing or hearing anything suspicious over the past few days. But the F's dogs suddenly began barking wildly around 2:30 a.m. Wednesday...."

more at link


And:

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...r-slaying-101231/20101231/?hub=TorontoNewHome

"....Neighbour JP said Gleave was a retired school teacher from Hamilton's Westdale Secondary School who had a group of friends she would play golf with in the summer.

She and her husband moved to the neighbourhood 22 years ago. JP said he was not sure what happened to her husband, only that he hadn't been around for the past several years.

"She was living by herself and quite private," JP told CTV Toronto. "I don't think she was too involved in the actual neighbourhood. I've lived next to her for 20 years and I think I knew her better 20 years ago than I did the last couple of years...."

more at link

Notice how these two statements are polar opposites. One neighbor states that she was cool for years and became more friendly only two years ago. She was known to be very protective about her email address but she must have been comfortable with the F family having it. Mr. P states that he knew her better 20 years ago. It sounds to me that, of all the neighbors, the F family seemed the closest to Ms. Gleave. After all, they got a rendition of "Amazing Grace". I haven't heard that comment from any other neighbor.

 

[Missizzy]

I've been wondering just how close the F family lived to Ms. Gleave. The only family with that name that I find listed lives nearby but not at all on adjacent property. I'm not so sure the F's dogs barking would have signaled anything specific. There seems to be a place called the Equine Drug Evaluation Center which is also very close by. I would think that would include some pastureland, possibly.

In the newest article about neighbors, the young adult F family member talks about how he hasn't seen the forested areas around the Gleave home searched. It doesn't sound as if he's been spoken to either. That strikes me as very odd. I would think that LE would want to talk to everyone who had any connection with Ms. Gleave.

 

[Missizzy]

Here's a photo of the Stenabaugh Cemetery which I don't think I've seen. This shows how easily accessible it is. There doesn't look to be any fencing around it. I'm wondering if the Gleave house is just beyond those trees:

http://www.interment.net/data/canada/ontario/wentworth/ancast/stenabaugh/stenabaugh1.htm

If someone could imbed this photo, that would be great. Thanks.

 

[Canadian4]

I just heard there has been an arrest. Don't know who and can't find a link yet. I will post when I find it.

Well, it was the guy with the knife found down the street.

http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/a...s-murder-charge-in-slaying-of-retired-teacher

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Charged

http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/a...s-murder-charge-in-slaying-of-retired-teacher

(Apologies if this is posted in the wrong place)

 

[fran]

Thank you for letting us know. What a senseless murder.

I'm willing to bet the forensics they got back was most likely her dna on the knife.

I hope the locals are now feeling a sigh of relief.

fran

 

[greenthumb]

I hope the locals are now feeling a sigh of relief.

Although not a neighbour, I am somewhat 'local', and I am relieved. I've been much more vigilant than usual since the murder of AG. In general, here in the rural area, I don't worry much about my safety. But in the last couple of months I've just had heightened awareness of when I'm vulnerable... like when I pull into the garage upon arriving home & the door is still up, or when I let the cat out the back sliding door. But no one can be safe all the time from these kinds of senseless, random acts of violence.

I still question the statement from LE that people should remain vigilant... today's reports indicate that

It’s one thing to have a high-priority suspect, it’s another thing to be able to satisfy the legal requirements we’re guided by.”

Seems like they've known all along they had the guy, so why not issue a statement to the effect that they don't believe the neighbours have any reason to fear for their safety?

 

[LilyMacBloom]

Wow! I'm really surprised that the police would release him if they had suspicions when they had him in custody. Sort of left the neighbourhood in peril. Unbelievable. I'm sure the police could come up with some sort of excuse until the DNA came back.

 

[matou]

I'm so happy this crime has been solved, I guess the statement about her murder not being connected to others makes sense. I was thinking about Sonia V and SL in Mono. I can't believe this freak was walking around in the neighbourhood for so long and that he scared so many people. RIP Audrey.

 

[greenthumb]

Wow! I'm really surprised that the police would release him if they had suspicions when they had him in custody. Sort of left the neighbourhood in peril. Unbelievable. I'm sure the police could come up with some sort of excuse until the DNA came back.

I, too, am surprised he was out of jail... I didn't catch that in my first reading when I posted above. He was sentenced to 46 days for carrying a large knife in his waist band - he was arrested on Dec 29. So if the 46 days started on Dec 29, shouldn't he have been jailed until today? Does anyone know why 46 days wouldn't actually be 46 days, or am I just counting wrong? LE must have been scrambling to get the evidence in place for the murder charge before they lost track of him.
http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2962112

I am surprised now that the judge at that trial indicated that he would rather send him to an institution than jail because

he doesn't believe Scott is violent, even though he can be, at times, frightening. Scott has a problem with authority figures and is known to "yell a lot

.

Well, looks like the judge was wrong, he was definitely violent. That judge also said 'if you leave him alone, he's fine'. Makes me wonder if AG would come across as an 'authority figure' due to her years of teaching high school. I do not in any way mean to insinuate that AG had any responsiblity or blame in this, just wondering if she might naturally be firm with him if she found him on her property and if he, in his altered mental state, reacted violently. But that still doesn't explain the sexual component of the crime.

 

[Wondergirl]

Thank-God.

Presser at 10 am.

Rest in Peace, Audrey

http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/a...s-murder-charge-in-slaying-of-retired-teacher

 

[dotr]

Hamilton police will hold a press conference on the arrest at 10 a.m. Friday at the central police station.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I'm so happy this crime has been solved, I guess the statement about her murder not being connected to others makes sense. I was thinking about Sonia V and SL in Mono. I can't believe this freak was walking around in the neighbourhood for so long and that he scared so many people. RIP Audrey.

Be at peace now, Audrey.

But you know......COULD (??) this be the same guy who murdered Sonia V. and attacked Shelley L.? If NOT, do we have TWO vicious killers/attackers in Southern Ontario's rural areas? It does make one wonder.:maddening:

 

[dotr]

R.I.P. Audrey Gleave
[video=youtube;lhc7MEYY-Ho]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhc7MEYY-Ho[/video]

 

[Valleyboy]

Be at peace now, Audrey.

But you know......COULD (??) this be the same guy who murdered Sonia V. and attacked Shelley L.? If NOT, do we have TWO vicious killers/attackers in Southern Ontario's rural areas? It does make one wonder.:maddening:

I doubt this perp had anything to do with Sonia or Shelly.

He was a homeless man who travelled by bicycle and the distance is considerable between Ancaster and Orangeville.

I also think that 2 seperate people are responsible for Sonia,s murder and Shelly's attack..

JMHO.