CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #3

[dotr]

The couple ask about the Audrey Gleave case. The official line from Hamilton Police is that detectives continue to investigate.

One thing detectives have said is that the homicide was not, as police originally speculated, a random attack. That had been the reason police initially urged Audrey’s neighbours to be “vigilant.”

From above link!
Togi and Schatze have played a role in the investigation. Detectives took DNA samples from the dogs — blood and hair — but it is unclear why.

Police continue to speak with people who knew Audrey. Phil Kinsman says he met with police in early September to address what he says police called “discrepancies” in a polygraph test he took. Detectives have not spoken with him since, he said.

 

[Hazel]

Thanks dotr! this is interesting....

One thing detectives have said is that the homicide was not, as police originally speculated, a random attack. That had been the reason police initially urged Audrey’s neighbours to be “vigilant.”

Togi and Schatze have played a role in the investigation. Detectives took DNA samples from the dogs — blood and hair — but it is unclear why.

Police continue to speak with people who knew Audrey. Phil Kinsman says he met with police in early September to address what he says police called “discrepancies” in a polygraph test he took. Detectives have not spoken with him since, he said.

At bedtime, Schatze goes easily into her cage in the living room, along with Lorne and Sylvia’s two previous dogs. But it’s different with Togi — there is something about the cage.

Togi was fiercely loyal to Audrey. If the big male was in his cage when she was killed, did he hear it? Is it possible that he saw something, but was trapped by the bars?

It makes no sense, eight years into his life, that Togi is now uneasy with his cage. He is calm outside it, “well balanced” as Lorne puts it. But inside the cage, at night, he seems agitated, stressed.

Does the cage symbolize something awful for him? From Lorne’s experience rehabilitating dogs, he thinks that is possible.

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/617241--if-audrey-gleave-s-dogs-could-speak
RSBU&CBM
LOL dotr, just noticed the same lines jumped at us. Cute dogs, but Togi is pretty intimidating. He looks very strong; very sad he couldn't be there to protect and defend Audrey

 

[Hazel]

this is odd....I clicked on the link that says MORE AUDREY on the new article that dotr just posted, and there is a tiny picture of PK's wedding where it says:
Audrey’s story continues which is the link to part 3 of 4 (Spec's 4-part article)

here is the link : http://www.thespec.com/topic/audreygleave

ETA: I must have missed it before, now I noticed that picture shows in that article's slideshow ( click to view )

 

[libyana]

I never thought this was a random attack, and look at those dogs!
whoever did this was watching AG and knew they were locked up at night. What a noise they must have made, I wish we could talk to the neighbours about the disturbance that morning.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

The couple ask about the Audrey Gleave case. The official line from Hamilton Police is that detectives continue to investigate.

One thing detectives have said is that the homicide was not, as police originally speculated, a random attack. That had been the reason police initially urged Audrey’s neighbours to be “vigilant.”Indeed, the killing was planned by someone who knew Audrey!

From above link!
Togi and Schatze have played a role in the investigation. Detectives took DNA samples from the dogs — blood and hair — but it is unclear why.I think the killer touched the dogs that night, perhaps to subdue them!

Police continue to speak with people who knew Audrey. Phil Kinsman says he met with police in early September to address what he says police called “discrepancies” in a polygraph test he took. Detectives have not spoken with him since, he said.Interesting........

My comments are in the post from dotr! Hey, maybe LE are getting somewhere. I sure hope so!! And, it's my opinion that the killer was at the funeral AND I think the killer has lurked at this very site. Just a feeling I have.......

ETA: In police lingo, I wonder what the term "discrepancies" means? I know what it means in every day speech!

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

this is odd....I clicked on the link that says MORE AUDREY on the new article that dotr just posted, and there is a tiny picture of PK's wedding where it says:
Audrey’s story continues which is the link to part 3 of 4 (Spec's 4-part article)

here is the link : http://www.thespec.com/topic/audreygleave

ETA: I must have missed it before, now I noticed that picture shows in that article's slideshow ( click to view )

Uhmmm, now what does PK's wedding photos have to do with the killing of Audrey? Unless the whole thing is tied to Shelley Lorraine's attack!!:whoosh: And, I still think AG, SLL and perhaps SV are linked in some manner!!:twocents:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

This is for those kind souls who provided links:

:gthanks:

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ETA: Now THIS hit me from dotr's link:

Does the cage symbolize something awful for him? From Lorne’s experience rehabilitating dogs, he thinks that is possible.

As a bird owner/parent, I KNOW that beloved pets react to what's happening in the people's lives. I recall that when my father passed away, our birds lost weight. The vet wrote on the charts: "Death in the family". Believe me, they know. And I think that the killer did 'do something' to the dogs OR the dogs saw something happening to Audrey. So horrible......

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Apologies for posting so many in a row, but my mind is reeling with thoughts of Audrey today and also last night!:blushing: I'm going to my relaxing acupuncture in a few moments and I'll bet anything Audrey will remain in my thoughts there!

Perhaps it's because today is Hallowe'en and the cemetery near Audrey's former home will be 'busy'? Perhaps it's because we're getting into the very dark time of the year when the killer could have lurked to know (for certain) Audrey's daily/nightly habits. Perhaps it's merely my soul speaking to me.....

Two more things came to mind after my previous posts:
- I find it a bit unseemly to have a wedding photo amongst the photos of the mourners and of Audrey herself in happier times (unless the wedding couple felt that Audrey would want the photo there!!??)
- my husband has been away daily for many hours which doesn't give him a lot of time with our birds - they feel the absence of my husband (this is telling me that Audrey's dogs did truly see/hear her cries for help.)

 

[libyana]

Dogs have very different barks too and this would not have been a racoon passing by bark. they would have had frenzied anguished barks, don't forget they smell blood too.
Again I keep going back to the neighbour's dogs. Did the perp get A outside by doing something to the car, setting the alarm off maybe? After she had put the dogs away for the night.

 

[libyana]

Whoever killed AG, SV and attacked SL had been watching them for quite a while to know all their habits and I still believe it is the same person.

 

[Sillybilly]

Whew ... if PK is still talking to us, I hope he realizes that WSrs pick on everybody and anybody remotely connected to the crime/victims. Just yesterday, when reading AG's memorial site, I noticed that someone else posted there about being warmly welcomed into AG's home, and that struck me a bit odd, given what we've been led to believe.

PK, I think we've lost you, but ... if you are still reading here, please understand that we take whatever tidbits we can glean and rip them to shreds until a new tidbit comes along. You have been very forthcoming and have given us so much info that is greatly appreciated. In fact, if you can shoot us in another direction with another tidbit no matter how small, we'd be thrilled to have something else to chaw on with a view to solving this horrific crime against your friend AG.

Rest in Peace Audrey ... we're not giving up.

sb

 

[Sillybilly]

Dogs have very different barks too and this would not have been a racoon passing by bark. they would have had frenzied anguished barks, don't forget they smell blood too.
Again I keep going back to the neighbour's dogs. Did the perp get A outside by doing something to the car, setting the alarm off maybe? After she had put the dogs away for the night.

I have lived in very remote areas at times, and on 2 occasions, my dogs have warned me about bears outside the house. Both times, there was absolutely no question that danger was nearby. If the neighbours could describe the "barking", it might be helpful.

Special thanks to the wonderful new parents to Audrey's much loved fur babes ... such beautiful creatures who have found their new "forever home".

 

[libyana]

I wonder if there could be some kind of campaign to jog peoples' memories about stange goings on the summer of 2010. What I mean is ,strangers lurking around the areas where attacks and murders were. I have heard a few anecdotes about strangers in back gardens etc.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I wonder if there could be some kind of campaign to jog peoples' memories about stange goings on the summer of 2010. What I mean is ,strangers lurking around the areas where attacks and murders were. I have heard a few anecdotes about strangers in back gardens etc.

Indeed, I've thought about that as well. I wonder why LE won't do a visual reconstruction to be shown on TV just in case someone might recall something? :waiting:

 

[dotr]

I wonder if there could be some kind of campaign to jog peoples' memories about stange goings on the summer of 2010. What I mean is ,strangers lurking around the areas where attacks and murders were. I have heard a few anecdotes about strangers in back gardens etc.

Do you mean that people have been lingering in back yards to try and put the puzzle together, as in journalists, undercover LE, or even real estate people checking out the area? Or odd people seen creeping around backyards? In my area, some (nosy) people use their dogs as an excuse to creep around people's homes...I hope someone keeps an extra watch over AG's neck of the woods tonight, especially near the barn and cemetery- I think you are right about jogging people's memory of that evening, bit by bit..

 

[libyana]

More like people [o.k. men ] creeping around.

 

[nicgumshoe]

It would be interesting if they could do a "person of interest" line-up for the canines, and see if they react particularly different/malevolent towards one. I bet the "Dog Whisperer" guy could be of some use there.

 

[roseofsharon]

It would be interesting if they could do a "person of interest" line-up for the canines, and see if they react particularly different/malevolent towards one. I bet the "Dog Whisperer" guy could be of some use there.

I would like to see articles of clothing from persons of interest held up to AG's dogs' noses and see what type of reaction LE would get!

I don't know too much about dogs, but do they remember scent almost a year later.

 

[Canadian4]

That's an interesting thought about what the dogs would do in a POA line-up Nicgumshoe.

I really enjoyed reading about how the dogs are doing. Not a dog person here (cat) but an animal lover anyway.

 

[puppyraiser]

I wouldn't be surprised to find out the dogs were both crated during the attack and that is why the male GSD has "issues" being crated during the night- he couldn't get out to protect his master. If he is fine in the crate during the day then it stands to reason the attack occurred during the evening hours. Dogs remember events, there's no doubt in my mind about that!!

My oldest Lab went through a traumatic event when she was around 12 mos old. The first time I drove through the city where she had been living (a full year after the event) she freaked out in the car. The city has a distinctive stench surrounding it and I know she could smell it. Her reaction was not one of pure joy, like she displays when she smells the lake at the cottage, but one of fear..............almost to the extent of sheer terror. A certain body shape of a man, 8 years later, still turns a very confident dog into a trembling pile of fur plastered to the floor.

Would be interesting to expose Audrey's dogs to potential suspects and gauge their reaction.