CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #3

[No_Stone_Unturned]

HI GUEST!! It's 5.42 am and we have one guest already!

It seems like the cake is going to be important in this case. It already is to us!!:twocents:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

For our info, his full quote was this,

"Some quick info about the scheduling of time to drop off the cake. I had originally planned to visit AG on Christmas day but she had emailed me a day or two prior to call it off because she was so sick. So, on Christmas day I called her to check in and that's when we set the definite time to get together around 10am on Thursday for me to drop it off."

Sounds like he was trying to cover his "video tracks". Could be perceived that way anyway.

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And he says, "it was a bunt cake called 'Texas Stoellen' from Time Magazine's series of books from foods around the world"

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I'd think it would be kind of old. Unless he's a firm believer in "you can't have your cake and eat it too!".

Maybe it was baked in a bundt cake pan - that's the type of cake that's rather tall and it has a hole in the middle.

Questions:

1. What did PK do with the cake upon finding AG dead? One would think he'd drop it right on the spot and call 911.

2. Do LE have the cake? If PK dropped it as he found AG, it quite possibly fell into evidence and LE would want it.

3. How soon after finding AG did PK contact his wife telling her the terrible news?

Hmmmm.........:waitasec:

ETA: For those who don't know what a bundt cake is - here you go:

LINK - http://baking.about.com/cs/bundt/a/bundt.htm

 

[nicgumshoe]

I think one thing to keep in mind with any video footage is natural anxiety from having a news camera on you and a mic in your face. If it were me, I'd probably twitch and stammer a little too.

Though, for the video in question (outside the church), you'd think he might have gotten somewhat relaxed (for speaking) after giving a eulogy (he did give one, no?) Also, you might expect that he's used to public speaking from defending theses, and doing conferences. But maybe not.

 

[LilyMacBloom]

I make fruit cakes and make it 6 weeks before X-mas. So i:fence:n my humble opinion, they didn't make it early enough! Unless AG didn't want to eat it until the New Year.

" After baking, the Stollen must be stored for at least 3 weeks in a cool, dark place. This gives the dried fruits within the cake a chance to absorb moisture, thereby giving the Stollen a moist texture.

The Stollen has evolved over the years, but the Stollen that we know today has really come about in the last century. Today, high quality ingredients, natural flavorings, and exotic spices are used. There is no one single recipe for the Stollen. Each baker has his/her own family tradition for baking a delicious Stollen."


http://bing.search.sympatico.ca/?q=recipe texas stollen cake&mkt=en-ca&setLang=en-CA

 

[nicgumshoe]

Maybe they didn't make the cake, since it was Stollen....sorry...couldn't resist that one

 

[LilyMacBloom]

LOL! Nic

Today I was thinking about how murderers select a victim if that person was unknown to them. I was also thinking about why AG, SV etc. Came across this read and many many more! I found it interesting that incarcerated serial killers shown video of people walking on the street picked out specific people as targets just by body language. I also found it interesting that the nursing profession comes up!
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200812/marked-mayhem

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Have a look at this - the blogger Lee Mellor has changed his mind about WHO AG's killer could be. He now says it might be a Latino or an African/Jamaican male.

LINK - http://mellortalksmurder.blogspot.c...e-deadly-premonitions.html?zx=2b08a033e676123

 

[dotr]

Maybe they didn't make the cake, since it was Stollen....sorry...couldn't resist that one

Maybe someone had their cake and ate it too.

 

[nicgumshoe]

Have a look at this - the blogger Lee Mellor has changed his mind about WHO AG's killer could be. He now says it might be a Latino or an African/Jamaican male.

LINK - http://mellortalksmurder.blogspot.c...e-deadly-premonitions.html?zx=2b08a033e676123

Interesting. I have seen many migrant workers around southern Ontario on the back roads....some a while after harvest season. It could be. Thing is, how would he get to and from AG's? I haven't seen many (if any) migrant workers driving around. Just walking or on bicycle. But in freezing weather, in a frigid environment they're not used too? Rarely if ever. I've seen way more non-migrant folks around Southern Ontario. And way more white guys walking around the countryside in cold weather. So I see no reason to go out on a limb and say it was a migrant worker. Plus, if LE has any DNA (which we don't know if they do.....but I just saw a quote somewhere from PK saying whatever DNA they have doesn't match him or DS) wouldn't that indicate race?

He also speculates:

"It is my conjecture that the most likely scenario, given this information, is that the UNSUB ambushed Audrey, beating her sensless, before either 1) Stabbing her to death THEN attempting a sexual attack; or 2) Attempting a sexual attack THEN stabbing her to death."

But would her eyes be open after that?

I still think AG knew her killer.

 

[Sillybilly]

This is the only recipe i could find for actual "Texas" stollen:

http://www.oocities.org/heartland/grove/3928/MeltingPot42.html

Certainly not traditional German style stollen, and nothing in the recipe indicates it should be made X weeks/days ahead of time. Also, i would imagine it could be easily frozen (although for some reason, i don't think this would be all that acceptable to AG??). Seems to me that it is more like a regular coffee cake made in a bundt pan.

BTW, I am frequently one of the "guests" as I don't log in every time just to read, and at times am logged in and forget to log out. We will also have LE viewing, along with media, etc. So, as per usual , all is not as it seems.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

We're back to the cake again!:floorlaugh: Gotta love it!

Two things:

1. The Texas Stollen recipe above is complete with Xmas music!!

2. And no matter what the blogger says, I still think AG knew her killer. So, that would eliminate migrant workers.

 

[Woodland]

Would like to come to the defense of LV with information I received earlier today, which I find contravenes info posted previously by PK.

I obtained a copy of the Land Registry documents for the sale of AG's home - the sale of any home is and always has been in the public domain. It was purchased by a professional couple for $425,000.00 cash - a fair price imo. A clean, quick sale for cash is always a good thing - the owner or the agent of the owner does not have to deal with taxes, utilities and other necessary costs for the upkeep of the home that must be maintained as long as the house is not sold.

LV was recognized by the necessary court as trustee for the property on 22 February 2011 - almost 2 months after AG was found deceased. This enabled LV to finalize a sale of the home and other requirements of an executor - tax return and household bills etc. In the meantime someone had to dispose of the food in the home, clothing that would no longer be used and someone had to decide what furniture and other decor could be sold or should be disposed of.

The sale of AG's home closed on 25 March 2011 and I personally applaud LV's efforts during this time as it was not the 1 or 2 weeks as PK previously told us on this forum. It takes much effort as many readers will know - I have been there, done that and have 2 elderly relatives where I will have to do it again soon.

So why would PK state that LV disposed of AG's property in 1 or 2 weeks after her demise? I hear sour grapes, but that's jmo.

PK told us in thread #2, page 11, post #271 that 'I believe I've mentioned before that in her last year, AG and I talked a few times about what would happen after she was gone ...'.

I can't find a previous post that says that, but not important I'm sure.

Anyway, LV did her job as executrix in a timely fashion.

 

[nicgumshoe]

Nice research!

It's a difficult task, no doubt. But who was the main beneficiary? If it was LV that could explain motive....at least for for the hard work.

And the sour grapes of PK.

 

[Woodland]

Good question on the beneficiary nicgumshoe - it might possibly explain a lot things. Maybe we can learn that soon.

 

[Kamille]

I thought PK had said it was all done in one month. Which by your post appears to be correct.

And he said she was the sole beneficiary. I'm sure he wouldn't lie about that. I'm also sure it stung when he found out about that.

MOO

 

[dotr]

Just wanted to repost this older link , not only because of this one line, but because a poster J. in the comment section below article , is very helpful and seems to know where AG kept her dogs.
http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2913418
"She was unique, giving and a stickler for being on time."

 

[Woodland]

Actually in thread #2, page 11, post #273, PK says 'I don't have too many details about all that stuff... AG's estate was settled within a week or two. LV was the executor and sole beneficiary ...'

He was incorrect on the time it took to settle the estate.

 

[nicgumshoe]

Just wanted to repost this older link , not only because of this one line, but because a poster J. in the comment section below article , is very helpful and seems to know where AG kept her dogs.
http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2913418
"She was unique, giving and a stickler for being on time."

Very interesting! I wonder if she would a) put the dogs in the basement once she recognized someone at the door, or b) if she'd put them in before knowing who was at the door. Given what we know about her, I'd say a) (though people do let their guard down from time to time...and maybe more when they're under the weather)

I think PK said, if someone came to the door AG would send them over to the garage. So that sounds like she may have recognized the perp, put the dogs in the basement, and sent the perp to the garage.

That's assuming the perp just dropped by out of the blue (which I'm guessing is the case...based on what we know about her final comms).

With the last comms being that email on the 27th, I'm really thinking this happened on the 28th....early in the day before she could email anyone else. Or after 6:00 pm on the 27th (in which case, since it would have been dark, I doubt she'd have let her guard down. She would've waited to see who was at the door before putting the dogs in the basement).

The neighbor's dog barking in the wee hours of the 29th is probably unrelated....unless the perp stayed quite a while and left at that time....which I doubt.

 

[nicgumshoe]

.....If the time of the murder can be narrowed down to after 6 pm the night of the 27th and before noon on the 28th (we might expect she would normally have sent an email or phoned someone by that time) then maybe there are some things to consider about possible suspects.

The 27th
If the perp called after dark, I think it would have been someone AG really trusted. Someone she would've expected to see drop by, if out of the blue, at that time of day: a friend or neighbor. And equally, the perp would probably have expected to be let into the house or garage at that time. Anyone else at night, and I think the dogs would have stayed out of the basement. (assuming the guy from dotr's link, in posting #357, is right about the basement part)

The other possibility for after dark is that she bought/forgot something when out earlier that day, and she opened the door for someone dropping it off (perhaps vet meds that were out of stock til later in the day, or something she forgot somewhere).

The 28th
If after the start of normal business hours on the 28th, then she might have opened the door for a trade-person, or someone else, in addition to friends and neighbors. If not a friend or neighbor, she probably would have recognized him; she had dealt with him before somehow and trusted him to some extent.

(We never did learn who it was that said they heard from AG, and that she wouldn't be coming to coffee on the Wednesday. Was that the "friend" who stopped by? Or was the report just a media mistake? My guess; a media error. But maybe not. Knowing for sure would be helpful.)

Since AG was a night person, would she normally have sent more emails after 6pm on the 27th? If so, then I'm thinking the 27th is probably when the murder happened, and at a time that wouldn't be considered too late to drop by. Or at least the perp arrived at this time. If so, he was probably a friend or neighbor.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Maybe the comment about AG 'being a stickler for time' meant she wouldn't tolerate students being late for class??

ETA: Quoted from nicgumshoe:

(We never did learn who it was that said they heard from AG, and that she wouldn't be coming to coffee on the Wednesday. Was that the "friend" who stopped by? Or was the report just a media mistake? My guess; a media error. But maybe not. Knowing for sure would be helpful.)


I've thought all along that AG simply failed to show up! Telephone records would show LE if the coffee group members became alarmed and tried phoning her at home. This could also give a time of death to LE.