CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #5

[dotr]

Tips pour in sex assaults after sketch made public

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/03/tips-pour-on-sex-assaults-after-sketch-made-public
By Danielle Bell,Ottawa Sun

First posted: Thursday, May 03, 2012 05:37 PM EDT | Updated: Thursday, May 03, 2012 06:44 PM EDT


Ottawa police on Wednesday released this sketch of a man wanted in connection with multiple sex assaults in the Ottawa area.


More than two dozen tips have come in since a sketch of a man sought in a series of sexual assaults that have terrorized women in Ottawa was released Wednesday.

Police will not say exactly how many calls they've received through a tip line dedicated to information on the pants-pulling predator but the phone has been ringing off the hook".

 

[dotr]

Congratulations!
http://www.thespec.com/news
"Spec team picks up 10 Ontario Newspaper Awards

Jon Wells garnered three awards".

 

[dreamwatcher]

I don't think that Audrey was murdered by a passerby. I think that she was murdered by someone who knew her in her past. Odd that she should have been murdered in a vicious way, with a sexual connotation to it, as the police say, when she has, by her brother in laws account, confided in him at one time, that she had always said that she would die that way.
I think the killer had cause for resentment and rage and hatred towards her, and knew of her "own predicted manner of death, and gave that to her, to add insult to further indignity to her.


JMO..

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I agree with dreamwatcher to some extent.

1. AG knew her killer - YES.

2. The killer knew of AG's fears of her own demise - POSSIBLE.

3. From her past - POSSIBLE.

But we're still missing motive here.

1. If he's "from her past" what's his motive in returning to murder AG years later?

2. Were they still in constant touch throughout the years? LE should be able to learn of their contacts via telephone records, computer e-mails, etc.

3. And did he reappear for what reason......to simply "give AG the death she feared/deserved/wanted/earned?"

4. Is he still right here, under our noses and in plain view of LE? Or, did AG know him and he'd moved away? If so, why return in December, near Christmas and a New Year? Any symbolism there?

5. What would cause such rage and resentment?

I sure wish we'd hear something from LE now.

 

[Woodland]

I would like to hear from LV and PK as well as LE - as in a renewed call for info and a token award to go with it.

Wonder how they are coping 18 months after the dreadful and unsolved murder of their friend who had no family. After taking care of the funeral and disposition of AG's Will do they keep in touch with LE on any progress?

I still feel LV understated AG's net worth in the Will documents she presented to the courts.

 

[dotr]

If this nasty assault in the U.K. is solved, perhaps the answers might shed light on Audrey's case too.I found the LE appeal to the public interesting..

http://www.fenlandcitizen.co.uk/news/national-news/woman-94-tells-of-savage-attack-1-3815307
"Woman, 94, tells of savage attack

Published on Sunday 6 May 2012 15:10

"A 94-year-old woman who was savagely attacked in her own bed has told police how frightened she was during the assault and was "struggling to understand" why she was targeted."


"This is no time for misguided loyalties. If someone knows who did this to Emma, they must tell us."

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Another nasty assault on an elderly man:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...witter&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_content=2424901

 

[dotr]

Follow up on the panty perv.
http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/11/pants-puller-suspect-stays-in-custody
An Ottawa man arrested for a series of brazen pants-pulling incidents faces two dozen new charges.



The new charges include seven counts of sexual assault, eight counts of mischief, eight counts of breach of probation and one count of criminal harassment. Gavin Sean Griffiths, 25, is now facing 27 charges and has been remanded in custody until May 15.

The Ottawa man was arrested while riding a west-end transit bus around 7 p.m. Wednesday.

Police had promised additional charges were pending from several similar incidents which began April 14, when a man approached women from behind and pulled down their pants

 

[dreamwatcher]

To answer as to motive? Is it possible that this person discovered that he was not involved in her will?
That would be a very good motive perhaps?
Just a suggestion.
Hurt and greed and disappointment when discovering that the house will be given to someone else, can cause rage.

My thoughts anyway.

By all accounts, her body was facing forward, towards the garaage door, if one is to believe the Handiman, so ---- she to my mind, opened the garage door and allowed the killer in. When this was? I don't know.
Audrey kept late hours.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I agree with dreamwatcher that Audrey let her killer into the garage.

But now I'm a bit confused about the position of AG's body - was her head right there at the garage opening when PK opened the garage door? Or, were AG's feet right there at the garage door opening?

Needless to say, Audrey's body was on the garage floor. I suppose beside her car.

Oh, and motive - could AG have had a 'past' with a man who (for whatever reason) decided that AG 'deserved' a death such as this?

But I agree - money and property are huge motives.

:moo:

 

[2soccermom]

I agree with dreamwatcher that Audrey let her killer into the garage.

It's very possible that Audrey opened her garage door, but for some reason I will try to articulate I've always had the feeling she was surprised there. I'm not certain how easy it would be to beat the garage code (whether there are devices that can automatically program opening, or whether she was watched punching it in, either by someone hiding or by electronic surveillance) but I guess it is because she didn't have her dogs with her that I have always assumed she was going to the garage to smoke as her habit (I believe I first read that she smoked in the garage here on WS) or to take out the garbage or whatever and someone waiting there confronted her (in the manner of RW's hiding in the basement). She was so very private and careful that I can't imagine her voluntarily opening the door to an unexpected visitor without the dogs; if she was, indeed, expecting someone, then I would imagine that would put the killer in the jittery position at the outset of wondering if she might have communicated that visit to others. I know what some of you are thinking; you have expressed suspicions about someone specific whom Audrey knew fairly well as possibly involved and which could explain her opening the door of her own will. But I respectfully disagree. For all of the actions of this person that people suspect -- all the expressions of emotion or lack of emotion, all the comments and the speculations about the nature of the relationship, I have my own explanations. She was murdered in a very cold and explicit way -- much in the manner of her own fears for the end of her life. And she was murdered in her home, which also sends a very particular message. My own line of query is to continue to wonder, as many others here have done, about the odd sending of the "Amazing Grace" (AG) email. I would like to know if LE has been working on the possibility that the email was not sent by Audrey. It is indeed an odd choice for email from this woman of science who was so stalwart and no-nonsense in her life; the lyrics about transformation are almost too coincidental to appear by accident just before discovery of this crime. In my profile, the perp had some relationship with Audrey that was perhaps peripheral, but for him she is symbolic of something or someone else. There is likely some "messianic" component to her murder. ("Grace" gives both fear and release of same, according to the lyrics.) Of course, these speculations are grounded in the assumption that the email was not sent by Audrey, which may not, after all, be possible if the timeline has been more firmly established now. So I may be building my profile already on a faulty assumption. But I have always suspected a link between Audrey's murder and Sonia's, so that too informs my own resistance to the idea of a deep personal rather than superficial relationship between Audrey and her killer. MOO.

 

[roseofsharon]

It's very possible that Audrey opened her garage door, but for some reason I will try to articulate I've always had the feeling she was surprised there. I'm not certain how easy it would be to beat the garage code (whether there are devices that can automatically program opening, or whether she was watched punching it in, either by someone hiding or by electronic surveillance) but I guess it is because she didn't have her dogs with her that I have always assumed she was going to the garage to smoke as her habit (I believe I first read that she smoked in the garage here on WS) or to take out the garbage or whatever and someone waiting there confronted her (in the manner of RW's hiding in the basement). She was so very private and careful that I can't imagine her voluntarily opening the door to an unexpected visitor without the dogs; if she was, indeed, expecting someone, then I would imagine that would put the killer in the jittery position at the outset of wondering if she might have communicated that visit to others. I know what some of you are thinking; you have expressed suspicions about someone specific whom Audrey knew fairly well as possibly involved and which could explain her opening the door of her own will. But I respectfully disagree. For all of the actions of this person that people suspect -- all the expressions of emotion or lack of emotion, all the comments and the speculations about the nature of the relationship, I have my own explanations. She was murdered in a very cold and explicit way -- much in the manner of her own fears for the end of her life. And she was murdered in her home, which also sends a very particular message. My own line of query is to continue to wonder, as many others here have done, about the odd sending of the "Amazing Grace" (AG) email. I would like to know if LE has been working on the possibility that the email was not sent by Audrey. It is indeed an odd choice for email from this woman of science who was so stalwart and no-nonsense in her life; the lyrics about transformation are almost too coincidental to appear by accident just before discovery of this crime. In my profile, the perp had some relationship with Audrey that was perhaps peripheral, but for him she is symbolic of something or someone else. There is likely some "messianic" component to her murder. ("Grace" gives both fear and release of same, according to the lyrics.) Of course, these speculations are grounded in the assumption that the email was not sent by Audrey, which may not, after all, be possible if the timeline has been more firmly established now. So I may be building my profile already on a faulty assumption. But I have always suspected a link between Audrey's murder and Sonia's, so that too informs my own resistance to the idea of a deep personal rather than superficial relationship between Audrey and her killer. MOO.

Very good post SM! Also, IMO, it is just too coincidental that Amazing Grace and AG are the same initials.

I am anxious to get back to the AG forum now that MR is going to prison and little TS and her finally can finally find some peace, if that is at all possible.

Now, maybe we can unravel the mysteries regarding our three ladies SV, SL, and AG and find justice for them.

Moo

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

How about this scenario:

1. AG was held by someone already inside her house.

2. It was someone known to Audrey so she willingly let him in not knowing he was about to kill her.

3. Finally his intentions became clear to Audrey. Once she felt he was about to harm her, she sent the Amazing Grace to two people - PK and the woman across the street. She was hoping it would sound an alarm to these two people.

4. The killer is the same one who killed Sonia and who attacked Shelley. He maybe even told Audrey this fact!

Any sense in this?

 

[Sillybilly]

Thinking along the lines of someone from her past, i was going back through some of PK's posts, specifically looking for his comment about AG liking the book "Fair Game" and being particularly fascinated with the "redacted" portions. Of course, one thought i had was, if they are redacted, how can one find them fascinating. Anyway ... some other snippets stood out to me:

from: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

When I was in the house a few days later (before the cleaning had started) it didn't seem like two dogs had been unattended in the house for any extended period of time! ...

We may have discussed this before, but ... AG was last known to be alive Monday evening and PK discovered her body Thursday morning. Two dogs confined for that length of time would surely have made at least one or two messes over that same period of time. Based on this, i'm inclined to think that AG's murder happened much closer to the discovery of her body on Thursday. If that is the case tho, why was she not in touch with anyone between Monday and Thursday-ish? ~n/t~ questions if AG was held by someone and this might be an indication of that.

From that same post:

when LE had me revisit the garage after her body was removed to try and identify missing objects, I didn't see any streaks between the door to the house and where she was found ...

So, PK was in AG's Thursday am when he discovered her body, then in the garage as per LE's request after her body was removed, then in the house again before the cleanup began. IF LE had him check out the garage for any missing items after AG's body was removed, why would they not have him check the house at the same time re any missing items? For what purpose was he in the house between LE having had him check the garage but days before the cleanup began?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

In response to sillybilly's post above - I'm quite convinced that Audrey was held (or was with the killer willingly not knowing he was a killer) from that Monday until PK found her body on Thursday.

My reasons:
1. I don't think AG was 'very ill' as she said. Rather, I think she was with the killer and she had to make excuses to not see people.

2. I think the killer was known to AG either from her past or from the present. She would have no reason to fear him.

3. The 'Amazing Grace' was either sent by AG herself as a call for help OR the killer sent it as a sick joke.

Big questions:
1. WHO is the killer?

2. Is this the same perp as the one in Sonia's and Shelley's cases? (I believe YES!)

3. Has the killer been interviewed/polygraphed by LE?

4. Are LE watching him closely simply waiting for him to mess up?

5. Are AG's closest friends (the coffee group, PK, etc.) able to account for their whereabouts from the Monday until the day the body was found? Do they all have solid alibis?

:moo:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from sillybilly's post above:

So, PK was in AG's Thursday am when he discovered her body, then in the garage as per LE's request after her body was removed, then in the house again before the cleanup began. IF LE had him check out the garage for any missing items after AG's body was removed, why would they not have him check the house at the same time re any missing items? For what purpose was he in the house between LE having had him check the garage but days before the cleanup began?


And how could PK have gotten into the house again once it was considered a crime scene? Wasn't the house guarded by police and blocked off? Did PK have other access - I mean, other than the garage code? Did he have a key? Did he sneak in through a back door? Did LE know PK was in the house again?

Hmmm..........

 

[Woodland]

SB - the posts do read as PK went back on 2 separate occasions, once for the garage and once for the house. I can see that though, as PK re-entered the garage after AG's body was removed ie forensics would have been complete enough for him to return - it would have taken LE time to go through the house first before having PK back.

I like PK's comment that the dogs did not seem unattended for an 'extended' period of time - imo there was 'evidence' the dogs were not let out for a day or more.

There was a report soon after AG was discovered that items were found on her property (I took that to mean outside) that came from her house. I have always wondered what those items were and how LE knew for a fact that they belonged to AG - PK identifying them would make sense, however he makes no mention of that in his posts. Quite possibly he was told not to talk about that.

 

[Canadian4]

SB - the posts do read as PK went back on 2 separate occasions, once for the garage and once for the house. I can see that though, as PK re-entered the garage after AG's body was removed ie forensics would have been complete enough for him to return - it would have taken LE time to go through the house first before having PK back.

This makes sense to me.

like PK's comment that the dogs did not seem unattended for an 'extended' period of time - imo there was 'evidence' the dogs were not let out for a day or more.

Some dogs will actually hold it in until they can get outside to relieve themselves. I don't have alot of knowledge in this area but I think some may be able to hold it for a day or so but not much longer. MOO.

 

[2soccermom]

We may have discussed this before, but ... AG was last known to be alive Monday evening and PK discovered her body Thursday morning. Two dogs confined for that length of time would surely have made at least one or two messes over that same period of time. Based on this, i'm inclined to think that AG's murder happened much closer to the discovery of her body on Thursday.

I am surprised that LE has not released a tighter timeline. I cannot understand why an approximate TOD has not been indicated. I've been trying to determine what purpose the withholding of that particlar info could serve. It can't be that they don't know ... can it? It was winter, inside a garage, not house, but surely we can establish a reasonable frame?

 

[Sillybilly]

SB - the posts do read as PK went back on 2 separate occasions, once for the garage and once for the house. I can see that though, as PK re-entered the garage after AG's body was removed ie forensics would have been complete enough for him to return - it would have taken LE time to go through the house first before having PK back.

I like PK's comment that the dogs did not seem unattended for an 'extended' period of time - imo there was 'evidence' the dogs were not let out for a day or more.

There was a report soon after AG was discovered that items were found on her property (I took that to mean outside) that came from her house. I have always wondered what those items were and how LE knew for a fact that they belonged to AG - PK identifying them would make sense, however he makes no mention of that in his posts. Quite possibly he was told not to talk about that.

Could be Woodland, but it's open to interpretation as PK didn't specify that it was LE that had him come back to go through the house. IIRC, the bank statements were the only items that were publicized as missing. I could be wrong, but I thought that info came from LV. I think LV said that she had to around to different banks to get AG's banking information.

WRT your opinion there was "evidence", what do you base that on? Other than PK's word that there wasn't any, i don't think we've heard anything to the contrary.

The only item I recall being found was that small saw(?) that LE found in proximity to the house. At the time, i had the impression that it was along the roadside, and there was never any info released as to whether it belonged to AG or not.