CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #5

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http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2012/09/18/20209296.html
TORONTO - Police have returned to the city's southeast end after several women — including a 91-year-old — were sexually assaulted in four break-ins early Tuesday."


"Police said the 91-year-old alerted authorities by pressing her Lifeline system.

Officers say they believe the man is familiar with the area and may have been stalking the women, since he usually breaks into homes between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m as residents sleep.
Snip.
"Officers canvassed the area last week after two women — one aged 70 and the other 62 — were assaulted in similar early-morning break-ins"
 
  • #802
Thinking that maybe someone expected AG to be sleeping - but she was known to be a night owl- and one lady pressed her lifeline alert button, maybe AG pressed her "computer alert button" ie Amazing Grace...
Also wondering if the previous tenant in SV's townhouse was elderly?
 
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http://www.therecord.com/print/article/595858
"it has an A-frame design, popular when Audrey and her ex-husband built it 40 years ago on 45 acres, with 17-foot vaulted ceilings to allow for a library balcony.

She hadn’t used the library much, though. She still enjoyed her books, but spent most of her time in front of one of two big flat-screen TVs or her computer"

Random google,unusual site - suggested this..
http://www.pacificsun.com/story.php?story_id=4308

"In early 2009, a well-dressed woman was driving into Tiburon in a silver Mercedes and stealing checks and letters from mailboxes. After arresting her, police linked her to an identity-theft ring. Eager for tools to deter other identity thieves and to quell an outbreak of thefts of sunglasses, iPods, cell phones and the like from parked vehicles, Cronin began promoting security cameras.


Townspeople screamed that the cameras would violate their privacy rights. Outsiders laughed about a city with 8,000 residents and an infinitesimal violent-crime rate considering erecting an electronic fence. And then Rosenthal was found dead in her courtyard—just down the street from Del Mar Middle School"
 
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Does anyone have any of Audrey's old bridge games from the Spectator? They were published there at least some. I would like to see the make-up of her team and opposing teams. I looked through recent results of Audrey's coffee friend who also plays bridge and was interviewed at the funeral home if I am not mistaken R.P. and there is at least one high powered scientist on on the present team.

For some reason, haven given this case a rest for a couple of weeks I am interested in exploring what has been broached here before: that Audrey's death was somehow linked to her former employment at Chalk River or her scientific interests. Personally up till now I have favoured 1.financial motive with 2. violent sexual maniac not far behind and with 3.politics way behind.

But I was just thinking how neat it is that Audrey has a handyman she meets at an outdoor equipment store who is into electronic engineering or goes into that and that there may be bridge players with the same interests and in fact far greater accomplishments a related field.

The trouble I have had with that theory is that 1.Chalk River is so long ago what could she possibly know that is relevant now and 2. with all due respect to her smarts and what she potentially could have done she was a high school teacher which is pretty limiting with all the teaching. Westdale High is a short walk to the university though. So could it be some combo of science and romance? (Not thinking of PK here).

But maybe I am naive about something and there is some way her past work or present interests could be relevant. Can anyone help? Sorry for being a bit vague about the link between bridge and science it is on purpose.

(And ok I am finally going to search for that info on the coat from an earlier thread that NSU kindly suggested reading).
 
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"Audrey found the spare part on a shelf and stuffed it inside her big parka"
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/596070--who-killed-audrey-gleave

A young Audrey as Jane Fonda?
The China Syndrome (1979) HD trailer - YouTube

Yes more likely AG as a whistle-blower than possessing, you know privileged info that would be farfetched. Unless she was checking out others?

Can someone check out the attachment I assume this is PK Audrey's friend on this list of profs and students though the dates of his degree don't seem to match what we read in media or do they? He was or is part of an extraordinary international team really seems Waterloo is doing great work in technology including engineering electronics.

http://www.cst.uwaterloo.ca/people.html
 
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For what it is worth if anything: checked some Hamilton city directories at the library today and Audrey's father for several years is listed under Doveiko from 1947 - at some point it is changed to Doveika. I can check more closely if anyone thinks it matters it probably does not. Audrey is listed as working for Bell.

I know people change their names and people doing the directories make mistakes. But sometimes people have a reason to make themselves a bit less findable.

Just to add and correct : actually it is from 1937 my typo they are not in the 1936 director directories but 37 on with the change to Doveika in the early 50s. Dad first a builder then later with Greening Wire one interesting year is 1940 where he seems to have two properties one on Barton east one on Locke North as noted in the Spec articles the residences get gradually more comfortable like lots of people. Audrey listed as a clerk at Bell then a student.
 
  • #812
Just a quick thought and question:

Did LE do a DNA swab of ALL males who had contact/possible contact with Audrey (like they did in Sonia's case)? And if not.....why not?

:what:
 
  • #813
( Are you thinking about a certain fe male library worker ?)

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/594717--audrey-s-story-continues
" She visited the local Lynden library at least once a week.."

The person I am thinking of works in a regional library but not Lynden gender female. And then I am thinking of someone who lives close to that person. Sorry everyone I realize this is hardly helpful. There are other places these people would have intersected quite easily the vet, real estate agents. Do we know which neighbour bought Audrey's house? Was there a real estate agent that is a key question for me.

One thing that keeps bothering me is the difference in P.K's and Hrab's description of the crime scene. Not to say Hrab is wrong but he has been wrong before not knowing black from white so to speak. So what happens if we discount his description and say that for whatever reasons even an investigative one he decided to embroider.

Maybe we can bracket out the making off with the body part or whatever as well I mean it may have happened it may not. I still haven't found the discussion about the coat whether it was buttoned just haven't had time to go through the whole thread again.

People can be stabbed in the groin in a stabbing without their being an intentional sexual component for example if they were wearing a coat that is tough to stab a person through.

(Obviously this is a different topic than the political angle and the bridge club and coffee clubs that I recently broached there I am stymied there at least here on WS since I am trying not to even come close to intruding on anyone's right to privacy etc).

As for the injury just thinking what changes if we take PK's version and ignore for the time being Hrab. Apart from the barking dogs which anyway always barked it seems most things point to a homicide very close to the time of the arrival of PK the open eyes, the lack of decay, whatever evidence we can glean from their not being a huge mess in the house.

I don't think PK could have missed a crime scene that a veteran investigator claimed was one in a 100 check out some crime scene photos to get a sense of the possibilities. The discrepancy makes no sense unless there were a lot of post-mortem stab wounds that didn't bleed and maybe had been covered by the coat.
 
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I don't recall if it was known if AG crated her dogs when she left her home, but since AG was found in her garage and her coat was still on and the dogs were in their crates, it appeared she could have left her home to run an errand and when she returned, the perp was already in her home, heard the garage door go up and then ambushed her in the garage.

I wish the usual behaviour of the dogs was known. If a stranger entered, I would think they would have been scared off by the barking, not knowing if the dogs were contained, however, a known perp would have known that AG crated her dogs when she went out. AG may have talked to someone she knew on the phone to say she was going to run an errand and then the perp made their move.

There may have been something in the house the perp wanted to get their hands on and AG returned home faster than expected.

I still don't really understand the sexual component of the crime, but imo whatever it was, it was done to mislead LE.

Just theory and IMO.
 
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QUESTION:

Why is there nothing but silence from LE now regarding this crime? :maddening:

THOUGHTS:

I still firmly think that AG knew her killer, willingly allowed him into the garage for a visit. I also believe that the sexual component was a further effort by the killer to demean/disgrace/belittle/expose AG. It was his final act of betraying their so-called 'friendship'.

:moo:
 
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“I know private is a word that has often been used to describe Audrey, but I'm amazed at how many people she affected in her life. I want to share one small story: I remember the first time Audrey ever hugged me. Understand, she's a private person, but even more so with physical affection.

“ I remember I was over at her house, we had spent the entire day planting flowers; she loved flowers. She shared with me all the research she had done.

“ At the end of day, we were both exhausted and a bit frustrated and she said to me point blank, ‘Well, did you learn something today or not?' And I said of course I did. The way she left us is tragic, but in these situations of chaos, it's instinctive to ask why, to look for answers. I prefer to just be so thankful she left us with a lesson, that our time is so short. Every moment we can spend together in love, and cherish together, (it's) so important to do that.”

Maybe we can learn about the interaction of Audrey with the friends around her by studying their comments about her this P.K. as quote by Wells in Spectator. Just to try to understand because we don't really know her hopefully someone else can add to this or add other quotes.

1. Use of "private" twice in first paragraph and in a contradictory way. First "she isn't as private as you think" then "understand she was a private person" but odd use of private the second time we don't think of a person as being "private" with their hugs or physical affection. "All the people she affected" seems a normal compliment even platitude except it contrasts with the need to focus again on him and the first hug. This I find unusual on end of people have hugged me I am not sure I would remember the "first hug" we usually remember a first kiss though. Double use "affected/affection" first paragraph. Again take note of that emphasis on word private.

2. As has been pointed out where is the big flower garden nobody can see it in photos. But ok next "She shared with me all the research she had done" VERY interesting to me note he doesn't say research about flowers. Did Audrey share some other kind of research with him? "I remember" and again "I remember" a stretch but it feels he is remembering something else or something more left unsaid. I know we all do that all the time.

3. Mood description both "exhausted" and "frustrated" he applies to himself and Audrey both.

4. "Point blank did you learn something today or not?" This doesn't feel to me that it is about the flowers has something to do with the research which again I don't think is about the flowers. "And I said of course I did" but no mention of what the research was, why she is querying him if he has learned anything, and we don't learn what he learned which you think would be the point to the story, the story never really arrives anywhere.

5. "Point blank" um I realize there was no gun but still - a sudden event and this is echoed by the sudden shift from his assuring her he has learned something to the "tragic" event. It was "chaos" we don't usually describe something as chaotic that he don't experience. Something happened to do with instinct that was "instinctive".

6. Advice "not to look for answers".

7. Spending "every moment loving and cherishing".... an elderly employer turned friend? Think for a minute whether anyone in her chess club or coffee club would say they had any inclination to spend every moment loving and cherishing Audrey. Yet here and elsewhere his advice is let's move on. Note also that Audrey's love is for the flowers which we can't locate all possibly an metaphor for the research and as we know possibly a complaint that she was more focused on other things.

8. In line with the focus on "research" and "learning" she left something with P.K. a "lesson".

9. "Our time is short" well Audrey didn't really live a short life. There was a short space of time between the research being shared and her death whenever that was. And it is a platitude (if you will bear with me) that hides what she really left with him, the results of the research.

10. He does seem jealous of her affections maybe just a normal or almost normal mother complex. Remember he emphasized that he was the only one invited into her house although one message on the memorial page that said "you invited us into your home" belies that - and anyway how could be possibly know for sure? And on WS if him in one comment he seemed to have a pretty full run of the house including medicine cabinets and bedroom (when someone asked about meds) he could really answer that? Wow.

11. In my link a few posts ago there is a list of researchers that P.K. worked with it is including a lot of Iranian scientists. All good but in these very fraught times would anyone know if any of the research P.K.'s group (well at that point he is a young member of it of course) has nuclear applications I mean in any sense, timers, triggers, anything? That anyone would be watching, trying to steal etc. while they are doing their work. Becomes it sounds like a superb group of researchers.
 
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Months later, Phil talked to a Hamilton Spectator writer about his relationship with Audrey. He told the story of her new mailbox. About a month before she died, vandals had busted up her old one, he said. She “hated the guts” of whoever did it. She bought a new mailbox, and when she discovered that a part was missing, she recruited Phil to drive with her to the hardware store.

Audrey found the spare part on a shelf and stuffed it inside her big parka. She had Phil run interference, make sure no one was watching, and they scurried out the door. All this, even though she could have simply asked for the part at the counter.

“She was so excited, it was her big night,” Phil said. “It was awesome.”

1. Someone with a bit of a conflict around anatomy male/female and thus the mailbox becomes a metaphor for Audrey in her most ideal form the new mailbox also some interior part of her also the busted form. The mailbox/malebox is missing a part. Audrey was missing a part according Hrab and just realized pace a recent post of mine that this is quite explicit and so ok I am going to now do the opposite of bracketing out Hrab and instead bracket out PK's description that it was not particularly horrific - so now I trust Hrab and think it was horrific or am thinking through it that way.

2. Someone runs interference and "makes sure no one was watching"

3. Mail and hardware back to I think ultimately email communication and thus also harddrives.

4. "Excited" "Big Night" this is the ruse to get her in the garage to meet someone as P.K. said here he thinks Audrey was waiting for somone (or knows she was?) But look Audrey is not an idiot why would this be her big night and anyway why "night" at the hardware store? Very condescending as well and as others noticed a number of remarks kind of disparaging to A. .

5. (Did any of this really even happen)?

6. Something is "stuffed down her big parka".

7. They scurry out the door but really there was no need to do this it could have been asked for it i.e. taking the part was excessive (this agrees with Hrab).

8. "It was awesome" umm don't want to comment on that.

9. "Extra" weapon at scene found on a shelf? Primary weapons concealed in perp's coat stuffed there?

10. Audrey hated the guts of someone yes of course the mailbox but perhaps also describing her online activities did she have a big time enemy someone of JS's stature?

11. "Drive" drive to the scene.

I realize this may be over the top but worth a try. Obviously he could just be describing something he knows or just intuits I mean he knows her well enough. Lots of Audrey's friends are strange with her and yet quite possibly all of them are innocent! I guess I hope so. Who knows right now as NSU recently wrote LE have gone very very quiet. hopefully an anniversary will help.
 
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A purse could be considered the public representative of the private...
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/596070--who-killed-audrey-gleave

"One rumour was that Audrey's purse had been found by police inside the house, stuffed with important papers she always carried around, but it had been left untouched"

It would be interesting to know who told the journalist the rumour, that the purse was "stuffed" with important papers. In the first place the word "stuffed" again and yes as D. notes previous post another potentially symbolic object.

And it seems an attempt to further the idea of a sexually motivated killer. And to normalize what couldn't be found in the house, banking information. Just because the papers were important to Audrey doesn't mean they would be any use to the perp or perps and in any case they were found inside the house. Now if they had said money a purse stuffed with money was found beside her body that would be different.
 
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