CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #5

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  • #1,061
Same here! Thinking the same thing. PK told us that he had 'to convince AG to attend his wedding'. I've asked this before:

- how did she get there....in her Camaro?

- did she go to the wedding alone?

*I* don't believe AG was at the wedding. PK's words become much more hollow and without substance....at least, for me!

:truce: :truce: :truce:

Other than trying to make his relationship with AG appear to be closer than it was, why do you think he could be lying about that?

If AG was in fact at the wedding, I can understand wanting to know if she was alone or escorted, but why are you curious about whether she arrived in her Camaro?

IMO, he'd be pretty silly to be lying publicly about her attending the wedding. There would be too many other guests to check with.
 
  • #1,062
Other than trying to make his relationship with AG appear to be closer than it was, why do you think he could be lying about that?

If AG was in fact at the wedding, I can understand wanting to know if she was alone or escorted, but why are you curious about whether she arrived in her Camaro?

IMO, he'd be pretty silly to be lying publicly about her attending the wedding. There would be too many other guests to check with.

To answer your first question, SB - I'm at the point where I rarely believe a word he's said. :doh:

I'm doubting about the ----------> :cupcake:

I'm doubting about the wedding info regarding AG.

I'm doubting about his whereabouts during the murder.

I'm wondering if HE sent the song vids to himself and the woman across the street.

I am doubting that his wife 'had to work' when he found the body.

He's been 'deceptive' in the polygraph.......why should he be honest with us?

:moo:
 
  • #1,063
To answer your first question, SB - I'm at the point where I rarely believe a word he's said. :doh:

I'm doubting about the ----------> :cupcake:

I'm doubting about the wedding info regarding AG.

I'm doubting about his whereabouts during the murder.

I'm wondering if HE sent the song vids to himself and the woman across the street.

I am doubting that his wife 'had to work' when he found the body.

He's been 'deceptive' in the polygraph.......why should he be honest with us?

:moo:

Well, it will be interesting to find out some day. IMO, with young people, you can sometime put these things down to embellishment (the "had to walk 10 miles" when it might have been 2). However, pathological lying and psychopathy can also go hand-in-hand.

Hare Psychopathy Checklist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
  • #1,064
A repost, shows AG was convinced to go to wedding.
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/594717--audrey-s-story-continues
Jon Wells
"The one who perhaps spent the most time with Audrey was Phil Kinsman.

Phil was polite and radiated an earnest, eager-to-please vibe. A practising Christian, he met his fiancée, Alex, a petite, attractive woman, at church. When they married in June 2010, he convinced Audrey to attend the wedding.

Phil had met Audrey four years earlier, in 2006, when he was 18 and in first year at McMaster.

He used to work at Windmill Power Equipment in Dundas. Audrey frequented the place and let it be known she needed someone to help her around her property. Phil gave it a shot. Back then, before he got married, he lived with his parents in Brantford, just a five-minute drive away from Audrey's.

At first, he found it tough dropping by because she talked — a lot. The smallest job would take him several hours because she wanted to chat, educate him on all manner of things including the intricacies of the invasive garlic mustard plant.

But “Aud” grew on him. He came to enjoy her quirks, looked forward to the routine of helping with a small job and chatting.

The two of them shared a passion for science, although they didn't talk a lot about it.

Phil entered graduate studies in electrical and biomedical engineering at McMaster, working toward his doctorate. He had received a scholarship and been named valedictorian of his engineering class.

He had two papers published: one was called “Dynamic binary translation to a reconfigurable target for on-the-fly acceleration,” which involved applications for diagnostic imaging in medicine. He gave a bound copy of the paper to Audrey as a gift. She was delighted with the gesture and invited him over to talk about his work.

He received regular emails from Audrey, often at odd hours, at least 2,000 over the course of a few years — Maxine comics, educational articles and videos, corny jokes.

She emailed Phil photos she had taken of him working in her yard, as well as cooking articles for him to pass along to Alex, who was a pastry chef at a French restaurant in Dundas.

If Phil was out for dinner at a fancy place, she encouraged him to take photos of his food and email her the pictures. She loved gourmet foods and “creative plating,” even though she didn't allow herself enough time to embrace the hobby.

Instead, her idea of a perfect meal at home was a chicken pot pie from Costco.

As close a friend as Phil was, of all the times he was in the house, she never served him coffee or watched TV with him. They would always chat on the same couch, just outside the kitchen. She would either shut Togi and Schatze in a large kennel crate she kept in the house, or urge them to be nice to Phil.

When he visited, Phil would push the number code on the keypad outside the automatic garage door, meet her in the garage, then chat either inside or out. That was the routine"
 
  • #1,065
More questions about the 'K' family:

- is PK's wife still a chef?

- is she still working at the place where PK had to drive her before he found AG's body?

<modsnip>
:truce:

She has her own catering business in Ancaster (i think co-owned with her mom). Don't know how that may or may not tie in with Quatrefoil.

On the attached list of building permits from October 1 - 31, 2009, if you go to record #79, it is interesting that the "Construction Location Address" is for the Quatrefoil on Sydenham, but in that same record, the "Owner Information Address" is for AK's catering business on Rousseaux:

http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/107B2DAC-A8A8-40A6-81E0-41855CD4BD52/0/Oct09StatsCan.pdf
 
  • #1,066
Thanks. I had forgotten the name of the restaurant. :doh:
 
  • #1,067
Well, it seems AK didn't start the savingt*yme business because it shows as having been owned by the owners of Quatrefoil at the time Quatrefoil opened May 2010:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/31895375/Pastry-Chef-Wanted-for-New-Restaurant

So if FM and GM owned savingt*yme before opening Quatrefoil did AK and/or her mom buy the biz from them after she commenced working at Quatrefoil (presumably in early 2010 when Q was advertising for a pastry chef)?

As in any case, gotta follow the $$, so if the biz was purchased, how much and what was the funding source?
 
  • #1,068
:rocker: Well now......isn't this an interesting turn of events! Sooooo, Mrs. PK made a large purchase right at the time (nearly) when she and PK were spending money on a wedding! Hmmm.....

I've never purchased a bakery, but they cannot be cheap. Can they?

I wonder what Quatrefoil looks like.

Gonna go Google it......

'Follow the money trail'.........

:twocents:

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ETA: I am confused! :doh: So Mrs. PK didn't buy Q; rather she bought ST? Am I right now?

:tyou:
 
  • #1,069
:rocker: Well now......isn't this an interesting turn of events! Sooooo, Mrs. PK made a large purchase right at the time (nearly) when she and PK were spending money on a wedding! Hmmm.....

I've never purchased a bakery, but they cannot be cheap. Can they?

I wonder what Quatrefoil looks like.

Gonna go Google it......

'Follow the money trail'.........

:twocents:

The Q was rated one of Canada's Top 10 best new restaurants, so yeah ... from a business viewpoint, pretty much anything connected to it has the potential to be a somewhat golden investment. Did AG front all or part of the $$ required to purchase savingt*yme as a wedding gift perhaps? Is that why she was interested in all the pics of plated food? Was she checking it out and trying to ensure a good return on her investment?
 
  • #1,070
OK, I found it. So it's a catering service. Looks nice. Pricey.......I'll bet.

:twocents:

I wonder if AG sort of hinted at leaving some money to the couple in order to get things off the ground.

I need to think this one over......:moo:
 
  • #1,071
The Q was rated one of Canada's Top 10 best new restaurants, so yeah ... from a business viewpoint, pretty much anything connected to it has the potential to be a somewhat golden investment. Did AG front all or part of the $$ required to purchase savingt*yme as a wedding gift perhaps? Is that why she was interested in all the pics of plated food? Was she checking it out and trying to ensure a good return on her investment?

The pics I saw of the plated food looks wonderful. I love that blue-ish cake; sort of 'Tiffany blue'.

I wonder if AG already gave some money to the couple prior to her murder!
 
  • #1,072
OK, I found it. So it's a catering service. Looks nice. Pricey.......I'll bet.

:twocents:

I wonder if AG sort of hinted at leaving some money to the couple in order to get things off the ground.

I need to think this one over......:moo:

Interesting, but we don't know that the purchase wasn't funded by another very legitimate source and possibly co-signed by family, the former owners, etc. other than AG. It is important however to find where and when the $$ came from. Hopefully, if LE hasn't already done so, they can pick up on it and follow that particular trail. Was AG calling in a debt or making some threat wrt payment (i.e. putting a lien on the business, etc). Did AG fund the entire purchase with a payment plan worked out?
 
  • #1,073
Agreed. Right now, it's merely interesting. But.....I hope LE looks into the money trail and if it leads to/from Audrey.
 
  • #1,074
The pics I saw of the plated food looks wonderful. I love that blue-ish cake; sort of 'Tiffany blue'.

I wonder if AG already gave some money to the couple prior to her murder!

From what i can see, AK's work is lovely and she is exceptionally talented. I can see AG recognizing that and feeling that her $$ was going into a successful business venture, in addition to wanting to help a young couple get a great start in the business world.

I wonder if Q actually advertised the saving* business for sale, or it was just something that cropped up as a result of her recent employment with Q. Did someone think it would be a fabulous wedding gift to help out in the acquisition?

Don't that just take the cake? ;)
 
  • #1,075
Oooh aaah SB - missing banking records?
 
  • #1,076
Quoted from dotr's post above:

As close a friend as Phil was, of all the times he was in the house, she never served him coffee or watched TV with him. They would always chat on the same couch, just outside the kitchen. She would either shut Togi and Schatze in a large kennel crate she kept in the house, or urge them to be nice to Phil.



A few points:

- his DNA is virtually everywhere in the house and around the house

- the dogs seem to be crated/contained when PK was there

:twocents:
 
  • #1,077
Quoted from sillybilly's post above:

Don't that just take the cake?


Hate to say 'I told ya so', but this whole thing revolves around ---------------------> :cupcake:

:what:
 
  • #1,078
Google images for either Quatrefoil and "Canada's Top 10" or Quatrefoil and Ancaster sure brings up some delicious plated foods. I wonder if some of the images PK sent to AG were from their scrumpdelicious presentations.
 
  • #1,079
Oooh aaah SB - missing banking records?

Yes, i've been pondering the money aspect and the missing bank records for a long time Woodland, but had previously thought that AK's new business had been started from scratch. It was when I came across the fact that the biz appears to have been owned by and probably purchased from previous owners that it became pretty apparent that fairly major $$ would be required.
 
  • #1,080
Quoted from sillybilly's post above:

Don't that just take the cake?


Hate to say 'I told ya so', but this whole thing revolves around ---------------------> :cupcake:

:what:


Don't count yer chickens either :chicken::chicken::chicken::chicken::chicken:

ETA: I have to run ... all this talk of cake, chickens and plated food has made billy vewwy, vewwy hungry :)
 
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