CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #5

[dotr]

Wouldn't one of AG's ex husbands want a slice of that pie?

 

[flipflop]

Yes, i've been pondering the money aspect and the missing bank records for a long time Woodland, but had previously thought that AK's new business had been started from scratch. It was when I came across the fact that the biz appears to have been owned by and probably purchased from previous owners that it became pretty apparent that fairly major $$ would be required.

Was AG's bank records missing? How did we find this out? This is news to me....or I missed it along the way.

 

[Woodland]

$50K as AG's only monetary asset in the probate doc's was a little light, imo. Any outstanding loans should have been listed as owing to her estate.

I don't remember the details flipflop, just that banking records were apparently missing. Maybe someone else will have better recall.

 

[Sillybilly]

Was AG's bank records missing? How did we find this out? This is news to me....or I missed it along the way.

We had a lot of convo about it before flipflop, but i can't find the source right now. IIRC .. it was that AG's important papers were in her purse but her bank records were not among them, and LV had to go to a lot of trouble finding out what banking institutions AG dealt with.

 

[Sillybilly]

Perhaps "Susie" was our source:


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[dotr]

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/596070--who-killed-audrey-gleave
"The other speaker at the memorial was Lynne Vanstone, whom Audrey had appointed in her will as trustee. (The will lists her house at a net value of $425,000, and personal property at $50,622.87.)

Lynne handled all the arrangements. She could not fulfil Audrey's request to bury her ashes in the pet cemetery beside two of her previous German shepherds — that is illegal in Ontario. Friends said the ashes were sprinkled on the golf course in Brantford instead.

Her beloved dogs, Togi and Schatze, were reportedly assessed by animal control to see if they had suffered trauma during the murder, with the intention of putting them up for adoption. Audrey had already purchased two plots for the dogs for when they died.

Lynne talked to reporters initially, but then she stopped. The whole thing had been awful, the entire experience just terrible, she said. She was too upset to talk anymore. Moreover, the killer was still out there.

“She had a positive influence on every life she touched,” Lynne said at the memorial. “She was private. And caring, kind, shy at times. Chatty when you got to know her. Stubborn. Fair. Real. A beautiful mind. A kind soul. Extremely intelligent. Funny. Eccentric. Generous. Giving. There are not enough words to properly describe our Audrey. She was unique and very special.”

Meanwhile, the mystery surrounding Audrey, and her death, fuelled interest far and wide. Why was she targeted? Why was nothing stolen? One rumour was that Audrey's purse had been found by police inside the house, stuffed with important papers she always carried around, but it had been left untouched"

 

[Sillybilly]

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/596070--who-killed-audrey-gleave ... Meanwhile, the mystery surrounding Audrey, and her death, fuelled interest far and wide. Why was she targeted? Why was nothing stolen? One rumour was that Audrey's purse had been found by police inside the house, stuffed with important papers she always carried around, but it had been left untouched" ...

So, muscle car wasn't stolen, the house didn't seem to have been cleaned out of any larger valuable items, her purse was supposedly left untouched, she was found fully clothed suggesting rape may have been staged ... and the ONLY thing we've heard (through LilyMacB<Susie<LV) is that banking papers could not be located (ETA: not even a RECORD of what banks AG dealt with).

If someone had access to AG's computer, any downloaded bank statements showing $$ out, or scanned documents (i.e. receivables, promissory notes, IOUs, repayment schedules) could have been expunged.

 

[Sillybilly]

Someone I know with their doctorate, now 47 y.o, was just recently able to finish paying out their Canada Student Loans after about 20 to 25 years. It's a long, heavy burden for one person. Nowadays, there's no escape from repayment of student loans, not even bankruptcy.

So, a large sum wouldn't necessarily be used specifically for a large cash purchase ... but instead might be found to have paid off a large debt (which of course frees up $$ for large cash purchases ).

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

Wouldn't one of AG's ex husbands want a slice of that pie?

She had a LWT which specified her beneficiaries, and the ex-husbands weren't named, plus I doubt they'd have any legal claim to any of her estate after all these years. Any seperation and divorce proceedings would probably include them signing off on any rights they had down the road.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

From what I can recall :blushing: AG kept 'important papers' in her purse and she banked at the Credit Union.

Here's my question - HOW would one go about following the money trail of gifts of money? I mean, if a nice person suddenly gave me loads of money in cash/cheque merely to help me start my own business, HOW would that be traceable? The cash would be gone; I'd be happy and the wealthy person wouldn't miss it!

So......here's where I'm going with this......perhaps AG gave some money to PK for his studies and promised a wedding gift of money to PK and Mrs. PK but AG didn't come through.

That might make a person pretty angry......... :cupcake: :chicken:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

More questions:

- did PK ever drive AG to her bank/Credit Union?

- how was PK paid for his handiman chores? in cash? cheque? gifts?

- when AG was searching for a wedding photographer for PK's wedding, was the photography going to be her wedding gift to them?

:cow:

 

[Sillybilly]

From what I can recall :blushing: AG kept 'important papers' in her purse and she banked at the Credit Union.

Here's my question - HOW would one go about following the money trail of gifts of money? I mean, if a nice person suddenly gave me loads of money in cash/cheque merely to help me start my own business, HOW would that be traceable? The cash would be gone; I'd be happy and the wealthy person wouldn't miss it!

So......here's where I'm going with this......perhaps AG gave some money to PK for his studies and promised a wedding gift of money to PK and Mrs. PK but AG didn't come through.

That might make a person pretty angry......... :cupcake: :chicken:

Re the money trail ... forensic accountants and computer crime specialists shouldn't have that much difficulty with it. Normally, we don't have to explain ourselves wrt our income to anyone other than RevCan. However, when a crime is being investigated, we may need to explain certain things to LE. So, if someone makes a large purchase or pays off a large debt, either of which extends beyond their visible means, they may have to justify where that money came from ... i.e. Aunt Martha gave it to me, I saved it over 20 years ... (I found it in an alley or printed it in my basement would not be good explanations ).

I just don't think AG would give a "wedding gift" that benefited just AK but not PK (she would be more inclined to give the couple something towards the wedding itself, or a home, a car, furniture, etc). IF PK was involved in a financial matter with AG, the scenario I propose is that HE borrowed money from AG to either pay off his and AK's student loans (if one or both had them), or he wanted to give his bride a huge wedding gift with a promise to repay AG.

I could be all wet, and there could be other reasonable explanations for how the business was acquired, but i certainly think it bears looking into.

The timing of the business acquisition would be important as it relates to the wedding in June 2010. I seem to recall that when we first became aware of AG's death, AK's FB said she worked at Starbucks. Then at some point, we became aware that she worked at Q (which opened in Ancaster in May 2010), so it would seem that AK became owner of savingt*yme some time after May 2010.

FWIW, Google shows that in September this year, AK's mom left her job at McMaster after 32+ years to become a partner in savingt*yme (usually peeps become partners when they give a good injection of cash into a biz, but could just be that she retired, or is a hands-on mom).

The info re Q, savingt*yme, and ST (mom) is all available on the web, but I am not comfortable posting the links that extend beyond PK who is the POI.

All MOO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

On to a slightly different topic (although it does contain foodstuffs - candy!).

Did AG give out candy to children on Hallowe'en? I mean years ago. Perhaps some child took a 'dislike' to AG and came back years later to do the killing.

I know....I know....it makes no sense. BUT, since PK grew up relatively close to AG, did HE go to AG's house on Hallowe'en? :blushing:

(I'm really trying to find other suspects and you can see, I'm grasping at very thin straws.)

:dracula:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from sillybilly's post above:

FWIW, Google shows that in September this year, AK's mom left her job at McMaster after 32+ years to become a partner in savingt*yme (usually peeps become partners when they give a good injection of cash into a biz, but could just be that she retired, or is a hands-on mom).


So.......it not only leads us back to :cupcake: but also to McMaster. And to money!. Lots of forks in the road........:twocents:

:sundae: :cake4u: :drama:

 

[dotr]

Don't forget this guy...Loujack Nougues Café
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/662723--who-is-this-man-police-say-is-a-serial-killer
"A serial predator can be either a serial killer — or one who attempts to kill — or a serial sex offender.

A case is filed with the unit if police believe an accused “is guilty of two or more random attacks,” says Staff Sergeant Steve Hrab, the Hamilton detective who is the major case manager overseeing Café’s arrest. “We are obligated, by law, to be in contact.”

“We continue to investigate any incidents within our community and within the province that might be linked to this individual,” he says.

The Spectator has learned the alleged serial killer knew Burnett, a popular neighbour with a dark past.

He was found in his Stirton Streethome on Sept. 6. While Burnett, 82, was known by most as a former pastor with a beautiful singing voice, he was also a convicted child molester, sentenced to seven years in prison in 1993.

The Spectator has also learned the accused had no apparent connection to Young, 37, who lived at a residential home. Her battered body was found covered by trash bins and rubble behind a home on Cathcart Street on Feb. 6.

The first of the random stabbings took place Nov. 7, at about 10:45 p.m. as a man walked near Sanford Avenue and King Street. A man walked up behind him and stabbed him several times in the back.

The second stabbing was Nov. 10, near Bold and MacNab streets. A woman walked past a man, only to have him turn and stab her in the upper body and head.

The third knife attack was Dec. 12, near 591 King St.E. A man on a bicycle rode up beside a male pedestrian, stuck him in the back, then pedalled off.

Robbery does not appear to be the intention in any of the attacks, says Hrab"

 

[Sillybilly]

Just thought i'd mention that 2010 reviews about Q having opened in May of that year indicate that FM and GM "ran savingt****" (past tense). Oddly, the savingt**** domain/IP info is totally inaccessible through our conventional whois and website trackers; available online articles show AK owning the business in 2012 ... but i can't find a date when she may have acquired it. IF she only acquired it this year, then who owned it between 2010 and 2012?

I am sure her name was associated with the business in 2011. Anyone else recall that?

 

[Sillybilly]

Don't forget this guy...Loujack Nougues Café
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/662723--who-is-this-man-police-say-is-a-serial-killer

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Just curious what the racial mix of Café's victims is. Used to be that SKs didn't cross racial lines, but no so sure that holds true nowadays.

IF LE does have DNA in Audrey's case, they would have been able to compare it to Café by now, or to any other offender with DNA on record.

Couldn't have been DNA that ultimately ruled DLS out because it would have also had the capability of ruling PK in or out (assuming they have PK's DNA, not through a criminal history, but through his agreement to provide it). So, either they have DNA that doesn't match an offender already on file, DLS, or PK ... or they don't have it at all

 

[Sillybilly]

I think there might be some "thick" straws in the history of Audrey's group activities, from 10 years ago or so on. We might be able to link her personal relationships and "science". I am pretty sure someone is concerned about this since the game results in the Spectator were taken down soon after it was mentioned here even though Audrey didn't play for years. We can't sleuth the innocent or the apparently innocent so it is hard to say much.

Does anyone know anything about Audrey's political views?

Not sure what you mean by thick straws, and have to say, your message is pretty cryptic Chorley :waitasec:

Group activities, games??? Are you talking her bridge games, sudoku, or golfing, or???

I don't recall hearing anything about AG in relation to politics. Maybe you could give us a general scenario, just using ****** for names?

 

[Woodland]

I wouldn't be surprised to learn there is no DNA from AG's crime scene. If so, the perp is clever and this was not random. Jmo.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought Audrey wasn't "religious" as such.

And I don't think we ever knew her views on politics.

:scale: