CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #5

[2soccermom]

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Re: Audrey as a wealthy woman: my understanding is that she was estate-rich but cash-poor; that is, the bulk of her assets were in land, with very little
($50,000-ish) in other assets. Perhaps the bank statements would reveal more cash; I don't know if they are "missing" or not. But Audrey lived on a teacher's salary; my guess is, from an immigrant family (not meaning to make stereotypes, sorry) she socked away her money into clear title to the property.
She loved that home, by all accounts.

So I'm not sure I agree that she was a major financier of other people's businnesses. MOO.

 

[2soccermom]

thank you, NSU. <modsnip>
I am hoping that there will be some build-up to the December anniversary in Audrey's case (I know: other posters here, or on UC, have mentioned how they dislike this term "anniversary" in murder cases) and that LE and media will begin releasing some info soon. In Sonia Varaschin's case, reports started appearing about a week before Aug 29/30; I hope we won't have to wait until that close here. More or new or info, or fresh look at the old, seems so welcome an idea.

 

[dotr]

"Library junkie","reached out to struggling students" Wondering if a poi might have been overlooked?

http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/2011/02/12/man-charged-in-sex-slaying
Described at her funeral as a brainy library junkie who loved animals and fast cars, Gleave was memorialized by her former students as an inspiring teacher who reached out to struggling students.

The residents of the village of Lynden came together shortly after Gleave's death to remember the woman with a simple candlelight service.

"Our doors have been locked and chained since this happened," said Melody Allingham of Lynden. "It was a long few weeks of waiting and we definitely altered the way we did things."

The charge of first-degree murder is automatic when a murder is committed while committing another crime, such as a sexual assault"

 

[Sillybilly]

"Library junkie","reached out to struggling students" Wondering if a poi might have been overlooked?

Do you mean someone at the library, or a former student, dotr?

I've thought about the library and wondered if AG visited the little one on Lynden Rd enroute back from the vets. Although it was probably closed on Boxing Day, i wondered if she perhaps dropped off some book in the overnight slot, and while there bumped into someone she knew or gave a lift.

As for AG reaching out to struggling students, I got the impression it was former students commenting about how AG was when she was a teacher. BUT, there was supposedly the person wearing the hoodie walking down AG's driveway. Not sure we ever heard when that was supposed to have been witnessed, or by whom.:waitasec:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Was the Library which AG frequented close enough for her to walk or would she have taken her car?

I can understand her dropping books into the slot if the Library was closed but I cannot see her giving someone a lift home. Not unless she knew this person well.

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[dotr]

Do you mean someone at the library, or a former student, dotr?

I've thought about the library and wondered if AG visited the little one on Lynden Rd enroute back from the vets. Although it was probably closed on Boxing Day, i wondered if she perhaps dropped off some book in the overnight slot, and while there bumped into someone she knew or gave a lift.

As for AG reaching out to struggling students, I got the impression it was former students commenting about how AG was when she was a teacher. BUT, there was supposedly the person wearing the hoodie walking down AG's driveway. Not sure we ever heard when that was supposed to have been witnessed, or by whom.:waitasec:

Both! Wondering if the teacher in Audrey continued after retirement, to help struggling students (adults perhaps) in the library?
Maybe she even tutored people from her home?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Hey guys! From waaaaaay back when, weren't we talking about some sort of school/institution near to Audrey's house? Perhaps AG befriended someone from there, helped them with their studies, etc.

If that's the case, would she have told PK about this?

Hmmm.............

 

[Sillybilly]

... BUT, there was supposedly the person wearing the hoodie walking down AG's driveway. Not sure we ever heard when that was supposed to have been witnessed, or by whom.:waitasec:

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Just realized that could have been PK when he installed AG's new mailbox.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

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Just realized that could have been PK when he installed AG's new mailbox.

Never thought of that! :doh: BUT - wasn't the person in the hoodie also carrying a backpack? Why would he need a packpack? And after such a hoot of a time at the hardware store, why wouldn't AG be right there with him to assist in the installation? And where was his car since he said he and Aud went to the store in his car? And wouldn't neighbours have recognised him/his clothing? :wink:

Just playing 'devil's advocate' here!!

 

[Sillybilly]

Never thought of that! :doh: BUT - wasn't the person in the hoodie also carrying a backpack? Why would he need a packpack? And after such a hoot of a time at the hardware store, why wouldn't AG be right there with him to assist in the installation? And where was his car since he said he and Aud went to the store in his car? And wouldn't neighbours have recognised him/his clothing? :wink:

Just playing 'devil's advocate' here!!

That is a very long driveway, and we don't know from what distance the witness saw the person, so ... carrying a mailbox could possibly have been viewed from a bit of a distance as carrying a backpack ... black and about the same size.

 

[Sillybilly]

perhaps ??

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

sillybilly ^^^^^^^ Is this the 'real one'?

 

[Sillybilly]

sillybilly ^^^^^^^ Is this the 'real one'?

Yes, the one that was shown in the media .. you can see the 3401 sign on the other side of the driveway.

ETA: Okay, it's grey, not black, but still ??

 

[Woodland]

We don't know the actual state of AG's financial status re estate-rich, cash poor.

We only know what was filed in the probate doc's. The lawyer I asked to give an opinion on the Will said it most certainly raised red flags, causing him to also scrutinize the signatures. He also advised that if no other Will was brought forward, the norm is a rubber stamp which he felt was wrong under these circumstances. He would have wanted more info before filing.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Yes, the one that was shown in the media .. you can see the 3401 sign on the other side of the driveway.

:waitasec: Well, PK said the one they bought was 'plain black'. I wasn't expecting it to be grey-ish with red on it!!

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[No_Stone_Unturned]

We don't know the actual state of AG's financial status re estate-rich, cash poor.

We only know what was filed in the probate doc's. The lawyer I asked to give an opinion on the Will said it most certainly raised red flags, causing him to also scrutinize the signatures. He also advised that if no other Will was brought forward, the norm is a rubber stamp which he felt was wrong under these circumstances. He would have wanted more info before filing.

Well for crying out loud.......how quickly did the lawyer have to settle things. AG was buried before the funeral and the house was sold quickly.

Makes me wonder.......:waitasec:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

perhaps ??

I see (I think because I'm waiting for new prescription glasses to arrive!) that the speed limit is 60 km. That's a fair clip for passersby to even notice anything!!

:twocents:

 

[Sillybilly]

Well for crying out loud.......how quickly did the lawyer have to settle things. AG was buried before the funeral and the house was sold quickly.

Makes me wonder.......:waitasec:

Yes, that was pretty amazing. You would think in THIS case especially, it would have taken a very long time to wrap up. However, I seem to recall that LV just wanted it all over with quickly because of the gruesome nature of the crime, to put it behind her.

As an aside and as far as i know, LV as executor would be entitled to request all of Audrey's past and present bank statements. Mind you, if LE was there before LV, there might have been a freeze put on what was available to the executor, or LV may not have thought it was necessary (it would NOT normally be necessary, but in this case???). If LV still has powers under the LWT, she might still be able to get past records.

JMO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Yes, that was pretty amazing. You would think in THIS case especially, it would have taken a very long time to wrap up. However, I seem to recall that LV just wanted it all over with quickly because of the gruesome nature of the crime, to put it behind her.

As an aside and as far as i know, LV as executor would be entitled to request all of Audrey's past and present bank statements. Mind you, if LE was there before LV, there might have been a freeze put on what was available to the executor, or LV may not have thought it was necessary (it would NOT normally be necessary, but in this case???). If LV still has powers under the LWT, she might still be able to get past records.

JMO

With the body being buried so quickly, did LE do a post mortem? I don't see how there would have been time.

If not, why didn't LE insist on a post mortem despite what anyone's wishes were?

hwow:

 

[Woodland]

Just a reminder on the house sale - it was transferred to LV (by way of the Will, which had to happen before LV could sell it) and sold to the buyer on the same day.

If the offer to buy was conditional, those conditions had to be satisfied and signed off on before the agreed closing date. If an unconditional offer was made - even better. All that had to happen was the transfer made to LV. Seems there was a coordinated effort there - not a big deal - LV would most certainly want to unload this responsibility.

A death certificate would have been issued in short order - faster than the house transfer - and given to the next of kin or appointed executor in order to deal with financial affairs etc. That death certificate would give all access to all known accounts, investments, insurance etc etc etc - the person would not be expected to deal blindly with only what was current. LE would need a court order to freeze anything - maybe they did and left $50K to deal with the estate. But, if any outstanding loans could be established there was every reason to list that in the probate docs.