CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #7

[Deleted member 102539]

Yes the Will is a public document - that is why I was able to obtain a copy. Any additional docs regarding probate procedure will be available to the public as well.

One thing to keep in mind if looking - was probate complete? If not, would that make the docs filed somewhere different to a probated Will where probate was complete/finished?

I have read the last Will, DOKUMENT 2:
Definitions and Interpretation
2.1 a) 'discretion' means sole and absolute discretion
d) 'trust for young beneficiaries' means gifts given in the
Will ..................
3.2 If LV dies, or refuses or is unable to act or to continue to act,
.............., then I appoint RWV .................................
4.3 I may leave a memorandum regarding the disposition of certain
personal items. I recognize it is not binding on my Trustee at
law, but it is my wish that my Trustee follow my memorandum
and be guided by it as if it forms a part of my Will.
4.6 I direct my Trustee to hold a gift of residue to any child of
mine under the age of 18 years and keep the gift .........
4.7 I direct my Trustee to hold a gift of residue for any
beneficiary other than a child of mine and keep the gift
invested ........................... when the beneficiary reaches the
age of majority.

MOO follows:
If there is a memorandum LV has to be discret. I think there is one but we never would hear of.
The Will holds a memorandum if it excists and the Trustee has to follow.

What I don't understand: A woman has to know if there are own children and in which age. Why this point with beneficent to own children and at what time in the future and so on?
Somebody of you knows?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Different directions:

- do you think Audrey gave birth during the FIRST marriage?

- would that FIRST husband (or child) come back to 'seek justice'?

- or was there a miscarriage and the FIRST husband felt 'lured into marrying her' type of thing hence, revenge?

Trying to find the darned motive here.!!

:worms:

Yes, I also want to know!

 

[Woodland]

I agree FromGermany - AG had to know if she had children or not. Why not name them as she did LV and her brother? Unless she had not ever seen him/her/them? AG could not have had a bio child under 18 when she died.

Not sure AG wrote this Will.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Perhaps AG worded the will as she did in case the child had passed away????????????

:dunno:

 

[Pink Panther]

~ I found this a year or so ago and posted it but I don't know what to make of it. Firstly, if Audrey were to have a child, she wouldn't have been a 'Gleave' at that point... And Pennsylvania? Well.... who knows, she could have travelled to have the child at a relative's or friend.

http://my.adoption.com/audrey gleave

When you click on 'all posts by Audrey Gleave' this comes up, 2nd last post as you scroll down.

http://forums.adoption.com/search.php?searchid=3323493

http://forums.adoption.com/pennsylv...adelphia-looking-birth-family.html#post985402

Note the conversation.

SK

A while back I spent some time following this up on ancestry and did in fact find an AG that lived in Philadelphia and would have been 16 in 1969. I stopped sleuthing after that as it seemed legitimate.

moo

 

[roseofsharon]

I find it unbelievable that LV did not know she was the executrix of AG's will.

AG appointed RWV, as executor, if LAV refused or was unable. AG did not name any other person after RWV, which imo, suggests she discussed it with him and he agreed to do it if his sister couldn't.

IMO, a brother and sister would not keep this information from each other.

Just imo.

 

[Pink Panther]

I find it unbelievable that LV did not know she was the executrix of AG's will.

AG appointed RWV, as executor, if LAV refused or was unable. AG did not name any other person after RWV, which imo, suggests she discussed it with him and he agreed to do it if his sister couldn't.

IMO, a brother and sister would not keep this information from each other.

Just imo.

Did she state somewhere that she didn't know that she was the executor of the will?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Did she state somewhere that she didn't know that she was the executor of the will?

If memory serves, :blushing: I think we knew this quite a while back. When Audrey's house was being cleaned out and soon after, sold.

HOW did the house sell so quickly?

 

[roseofsharon]

Did she state somewhere that she didn't know that she was the executor of the will?

Sorry Pink, I have been trying to find the link for this.

Thank you Stone, I thought so too, very early on, I know we discussed it before.

 

[Pink Panther]

If memory serves, :blushing: I think we knew this quite a while back. When Audrey's house was being cleaned out and soon after, sold.

HOW did the house sell so quickly?

By the time they were cleaning, she had to have already provided some sort of documentation or no one would have been allowed to go onto the property to "clean".

Family and friends of a murdered woman would not be allowed to go in and literally throw away all of her property without legal entitlement to do so...

moo

 

[Pink Panther]

Is there any way to get access to AG's birth certificate? Jon Wells seems to have done so??? Do we know for sure where she was born and to whom? I haven't been able to find her on ancestry.com...Which really doesn't mean much in so far as Canadian records go but...Is there somewhere in Hamilton, Ontario that one can go to inquire further?

 

[Pink Panther]

I still can't believe that 30 years of stuff was dumped in one day!

moo

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I'm excited about your search!!!!!!


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[No_Stone_Unturned]

I still can't believe that 30 years of stuff was dumped in one day!

moo

This is my question also. Was a company hired to help with the stuff? To take things away? If so, HOW could one hire a company to be there so quickly? Where did the contents of the house go? Were LE present during the clean-up? WHO took all the stuff to a dump or to wherever? Didn't anyone want a memento or something? Did anything get sold or given to a charity?

Now that we're talking about it......it REALLY looks bad/fishy. And it looks disrespectful to Audrey! Didn't anyone think that this is 'her stuff' and it should be dealt with kindly? With respect? Oh boy, this is very upsetting to me on behalf of Audrey.

:twocents:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from PP:

<<< Family and friends of a murdered woman would not be allowed to go in and literally throw away all of her property without legal entitlement to do so... >>>



YES!! And wouldn't that 'legal entitlement' take some time. We all know how red tape and paper work goes.......

I simply cannot believe that LE allowed the stuff to be dumped so fast!!

:stormingmad:

 

[Woodland]

Regarding the fast and furious disposal of AG's household soon after her death, I don't find that unusual in itself. The circumstances are unusual imo.

Have always felt that because LE were immediately looking for a stranger responsible for AG's death, they did what was necessary for the investigation of her property and handed it over to the executor of the Will, which LE announced they found around 4 Jan 2011.

We do know AG was known to keep important papers in her purse (except bank statements) and AG's purse was found. LV commented at the time, she did not know of 2 others friends of AG living in Brantford - which may have been the 2 witnesses that signed the Will.

If everyone known to AG was suspect at the time of her death, would LE have been so quick to hand the crime scene over to an executor? Maybe, maybe not. As harsh as it may seem, something had to be done with the belongings and household items - it would only take one small sign of mold, imo to do what was done.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

This just ocurred to me - how about this as a motive = JUDGEMENT.

For example, judging Audrey's hoarding habits while MY house could outdo Martha Stewart herself.

OK, I'm grasping at straws here...............:blushing:

In spite of what Woodland posted, I still am uncomfortable with the hasty disposal of AG's things. It irks me terribly! :stormingmad:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Just thought of something - wouldn't PK want her science books/literature? Her teaching diplomas? Something very personal.....even a garden rake he used repeatedly? The bench!!

For heaven's sake, she must have had things that had sentimental value to SOMEONE!!

This is really bizarre.

:stormingmad:

I keep my parents' shot glass in memory of the fun (and wild) parties my family had every New Year's Eve. It's nothing to anyone else, but to me it's priceless!! :twocents:

 

[SideKick]

Quoted from PP:

<<< Family and friends of a murdered woman would not be allowed to go in and literally throw away all of her property without legal entitlement to do so... >>>



YES!! And wouldn't that 'legal entitlement' take some time. We all know how red tape and paper work goes.......

I simply cannot believe that LE allowed the stuff to be dumped so fast!!

:stormingmad:

~~ I SO Agree in that this was a Murder case!! Why oh why on earth would they rummage thru her home after living there for so many years. Did the police NOT want to check the interior of her home for clues!? It really doesn't make sense. The selling of the home is also peculiar in that it's not just anyone who will purchase a home where someone was murdered... Nice Land or not...

 

[SideKick]

I went for Zumba near where I live a couple of years ago. The instructor was a very very close friend of SV. I've asked her if she recalls SV knowing JV? I sent his FB page to her this morning.