CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #7

[MsSherlock]

Yes, I understand. In fact, I think we discussed sexual orientation here way back at the beginning!

:twocents:

Thanks for reminding me No Stone-going back to review again-I have faith that AG's death will not go unsolved. It saddens me that it's just gone cold-for Audrey's sake, it can't be the perfect crime. MOO RIP Audrey

 

[Chorley8]

Yes, I understand. In fact, I think we discussed sexual orientation here way back at the beginning!

:twocents:

Agree 100% with this - not as a certainty but as a surmise. Certainly though if some part of Audrey's body was cut off it would remain bizarre.

I am tilted toward the financial angle - YET can't help wondering have said before why not arrange an accident for Audrey a slip from a top floor, run over by her own car, drowned in her pond - it is a massive escalation to homicide IMO though obviously that is what we are dealing with.

 

[LambChop]

Quoted from MsSherlock:

<<< IMO, it would be very difficult(if not impossible) to clear out a persons house in one day when you had only been in it once and there are many other things that can be explained if my hypothesis was correct, but at the end of the day, AG's estate may have been settled exactly how she had intended it to be in 2007. MOO >>>


The house being emptied out so fast and so soon has always bothered me. Please bear with my little story: a few years ago my husband and I bought a new house and sold our first (and only) house. We'd lived there for 33 years!

Cleaning out the old place was a huge chore! We donated many things to Habitat For Humanity; we called the 'junk man' to pick up stuff we'll never use and had no idea why we bought it in the first place :blushing: ; we gave some items to neighbours who wanted them; we kept our most precious items and moved them to the new house.

That process took many days of hard work, sore backs, headaches and big decisions. And there were the two of us to make decisions and make the plans! And there were the 'small things' to get done:
- cancel the telephone
- cancel the newspapers
- have our mail forwarded to the new address (shouldn't someone have seen to it that Audrey's mail got picked up and read?)
- cancel the internet/computer
- cancel the TV
- on and on and on...........

I have no idea how anyone could clear out a house with 30 years' worth of stuff in such a short bit of time. For me, it seems humanly impossible. If any of you have moved lately you'll know that we (human beings) tend to collect a lot of stuff simply because it's human nature to do so.

Does anyone else question the Audrey-house-cleaning-out-situation the way I do?

When I recall back to cleaning out our first house, I remember seeing and cherishing the things belonging to our birds who had passed away. The vet gives pet owners a scroll with a poem about kindness of letting a dear pet be put to sleep. Wouldn't Audrey have had vet notes about her dear dogs over the years? And wouldn't a 'dear friend' want to keep those things for Audrey?

OK, story is almost over. :blushing: We're now settled in a cute small town and we're both retiring at the end of this year. So.......I'll have more time to work on this case!! :rockon: Oh dear..........

It is possible, trust me. I did it in less than 3 weeks in my mother's home in California with 5 bedrooms, 3 baths, living room, dining room, huge kitchen, family room and 3 car garage. It is possible if you do one room at a time and work from the time you get up until it's time to go to bed. I did it alone as my mother was unable to help. Plus I shipped her cars East. While my parents were very neat there were a lot of old paperwork to go through to determine whether or not to keep them. So it is possible but tiring.

 

[Chorley8]

Rethinking things: it could be useful to look Deadpanman's post number 12 thread three Christine Jessop homicide. On one hand nothing to do with this case of course. On the other hand:

It is extraordinary how many disturbed viable suspects there were around the little towns of Queensville and Sutherland. And those suspects in some cases were known to have been the victims themselves of gang rapes etc. when young. And most of these suspects are very young.

Just reminding ourselves (I realize you all know this already) that someone might look very good for a crime and be innocent. In the above case all of these people sound guilty to me!

Also we have no knowledge of what deviants unknown to us might live in Ancaster and about. Just statistically there would have to be a lot.

Someone might be laughing at us. Not trying to discourage any of the lines of enquiry that have gone on already!

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Someone is laughing at us - the killer! This is what I've learned/had a glimmer of in the past few days:

According to various posts here, all of the following are perfectly normal/without suspicion:

- getting rid of 37 years' worth of stuff in one day is normal activity

- all of her 'dear friends' are noble-minded and innocent

- the soup person was being kind

- the cake person was being kind

- Audrey lived a secretive life so it's better to remember her life rather than her death

- all trace of this human being named Audrey Gleave has been 'deleted' from sight and sound

- her dogs made no fuss on a bad day in December, 2010

So, that leaves us with two possibilities:

1. The crazed maniac lunatic walking and drooling like Egor killed Audrey and then he limped away into oblivion.

2. Or, AG stabbed herself to death and somehow managed to add a 'sexual component' to her own demise in a cold garage.

Let's face it........we're stumped.

:twocents: :scared: :twocents:

 

[SideKick]

Hi Peeps!

Question: Why would LE say 'young and close'?

Any idea's on where they were coming from on that one?

Thx! SK

 

[dotr]

Concerning time..
bbm.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2215939-who-is-audrey-gleave/

" Audrey always shared jokes, articles and videos by email. But this one was different. It was a concert rendition of a spiritual hymn. She was not a religious person, though, and never forwarded songs.

Later, she sent a new email, to Phil:

Monday, Dec. 27, 2010, 10:46 a.m.

Subject: report

From: [email protected]

By Sunday the weakness was disappearing but still there. And would you believe that this morning I got a secondary infection; runny nose, runny eyes, sneezing. But at least I don&#8217;t feel weak so don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve a fever. I&#8217;m just annoyed with it. Hope it gets better because I intend to have coffee Wed. come hell or high water. I&#8217;ve got cabin fever. Lynne is coming over with soup in a few minutes"

 

[Sillybilly]

Hi Peeps!

Question: Why would LE say 'young and close'?

Any idea's on where they were coming from on that one?

Thx! SK

That advice came from Mark Safarik, a retired FBI profiler:

excerpts from:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2215939-who-is-audrey-gleave/

&#8220;(The killer) has knowledge that an elderly female lives there by herself,&#8221; said Mark Safarik, a retired FBI profiler with expertise in violent crime against the elderly.

Safarik said those who kill the elderly &#8220;are not opportunistic offenders. They are not breaking into a place and stumbling upon the victim. He knows she&#8217;s there, know she&#8217;s by herself, and he goes there with intent to sexually assault and murder her. This is different than prior research suggesting women were opportunistic victims of non-violent offenders who become violent at the scene.&#8221;

These are angry young men with pent-up rage toward women and likely live with a female authority figure, he said. They are socially incompetent men who perceive little control in their lives, are typically undereducated, have substance abuse problems and are unemployed or in a menial job.

&#8220;For these guys, there is not a lot of planning, and they don&#8217;t stay at the scene long. They leave evidence, don&#8217;t clean up. They don&#8217;t think that far ahead.&#8221;

They use far more violence than necessary to kill. Overkill is indicative of their anger. This had been the case on Indian Trail.

and ... seems he may have subsequently been proven correct wrt DLS not being the perp:

&#8220;But a homeless guy in his 40s or 50s?&#8221; Safarik asked rhetorically when considering the Gleave case. &#8220;Hmm &#8230; My advice is look young and look close.&#8221;

 

[Sillybilly]

Concerning time..
bbm.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2215939-who-is-audrey-gleave/

" Audrey always shared jokes, articles and videos by email. But this one was different. It was a concert rendition of a spiritual hymn. She was not a religious person, though, and never forwarded songs.

Later, she sent a new email, to Phil:

Monday, Dec. 27, 2010, 10:46 a.m.

Subject: report

From: [email protected]

By Sunday the weakness was disappearing but still there. And would you believe that this morning I got a secondary infection; runny nose, runny eyes, sneezing. But at least I don’t feel weak so don’t think I’ve a fever. I’m just annoyed with it. Hope it gets better because I intend to have coffee Wed. come hell or high water. I’ve got cabin fever. Lynne is coming over with soup in a few minutes"

"Disappearing but still there" borders on oxymoron. Also, the email was sent Monday morning ... why would she refer to how the weakness was yesterday when everything else relates to how she is today. What did it matter how the "weakness" was Sunday when it had disappeared by Monday when she was sending the email?

If Audrey normally sent numerous emails throughout the day, did folks other than PK and LF receive emails on Monday, Dec 27 ... or were they in fact the only acquaintances to receive any email? If so, how might this be significant?

IMO, the Amazing Grace email received by PK when he opened his mail that morning is curiously distanced from the one that LF opened later that day (with nothing in between that we know of???). Why not send it to both her friends at the same time. (Unless of course the email to LF was also sent in the morning and LF just hadn't opened her email.) Given we suspect someone other than Audrey may have sent the email to LF, it is as if that someone wanted us to believe that Audrey was still alive that evening.

C'mon everybody ... I want answers

 

[flipflop]

Concerning time..
bbm.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2215939-who-is-audrey-gleave/

" Audrey always shared jokes, articles and videos by email. But this one was different. It was a concert rendition of a spiritual hymn. She was not a religious person, though, and never forwarded songs.

Later, she sent a new email, to Phil:

Monday, Dec. 27, 2010, 10:46 a.m.

Subject: report

From: [email protected]

By Sunday the weakness was disappearing but still there. And would you believe that this morning I got a secondary infection; runny nose, runny eyes, sneezing. But at least I don’t feel weak so don’t think I’ve a fever. I’m just annoyed with it. Hope it gets better because I intend to have coffee Wed. come hell or high water. I’ve got cabin fever. Lynne is coming over with soup in a few minutes"

I wonder who delivered the soup, or if soup was found in AG's kitchen. Did LV deliver it, or did she have family home for the holidays and one of her loved ones ran the errand for her.....hmmmmmmmmm

 

[dotr]

This alleged predator of seniors has been arrested!
He was mentioned in much earlier Audrey G. thread.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/b-c-po...ed-of-conning-seniors-across-canada-1.1422119

" Rupert earned his nickname from his modus operandi: he often pretended to be a relative of his victims in order to get them to hand over cash. His victims were between the ages of 78 and 95.

One Toronto victim, an 81-year-old grandmother who did not wish to be identified, told CTV News three years ago that the suspect told her he was helping the son of the owner of her apartment building collect the rent. He convinced her to go to a bank and withdraw cash. After escorting her back to the building, the suspect grabbed the cash and fled.

&#8220;He&#8217;s a coward,&#8221; the victim told the media at the time of the incident, in January 2010.

Months after that incident, Rupert was profiled on America&#8217;s Most Wanted.

He proved difficult for police to track down because he had no fixed address, did not use credit cards or a cellphone, and did not have a bank account or a driver&#8217;s licence.

Police believe Rupert criss-crossed the country by bus or train, looking for victims"


Snip
bbm.
&#8220;There is a possibility that prior to this man coming onto our radar and this investigation starting, that he may have committed other offences, and of course that&#8217;s something we&#8217;ll look at.&#8221;

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/b-c-po...seniors-across-canada-1.1422119#ixzz2ck4VNZuZ


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/b-c-po...seniors-across-canada-1.1422119#ixzz2ck4EmftL

 

[MsSherlock]

"Disappearing but still there" borders on oxymoron. Also, the email was sent Monday morning ... why would she refer to how the weakness was yesterday when everything else relates to how she is today. What did it matter how the "weakness" was Sunday when it had disappeared by Monday when she was sending the email?

If Audrey normally sent numerous emails throughout the day, did folks other than PK and LF receive emails on Monday, Dec 27 ... or were they in fact the only acquaintances to receive any email? If so, how might this be significant?

IMO, the Amazing Grace email received by PK when he opened his mail that morning is curiously distanced from the one that LF opened later that day (with nothing in between that we know of???). Why not send it to both her friends at the same time. (Unless of course the email to LF was also sent in the morning and LF just hadn't opened her email.) Given we suspect someone other than Audrey may have sent the email to LF, it is as if that someone wanted us to believe that Audrey was still alive that evening.

C'mon everybody ... I want answers

Sillybilly!! I want answers too! Whats that saying-if you keep looking at the same things, don't be surprised when you're getting the same results?
There's 2 people mentioned and I can't seem to find where I read about them. # 1 was the guy who installed AG's stove before Christmas and #2 is the friend LV said that AG had who lived in Brantford, that LV didn't even know about. This person came up in an MSM interview with LV. Any help would help!! :angel:

 

[dotr]

Sillybilly!! I want answers too! Whats that saying-if you keep looking at the same things, don't be surprised when you're getting the same results?
There's 2 people mentioned and I can't seem to find where I read about them. # 1 was the guy who installed AG's stove before Christmas and #2 is the friend LV said that AG had who lived in Brantford, that LV didn't even know about. This person came up in an MSM interview with LV. Any help would help!! :angel:

http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/2011/01/04/its-all-so-horrifying
bbm.
"Vanstone said that Gleave always worried about strangers getting her e-mail address.

She said that Gleave was so private that she never mentioned that she had another friend in Brantford who lived in the same neighbourhood as Vanstone"

 

[Woodland]

http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/2011/01/04/its-all-so-horrifying
bbm.
"Vanstone said that Gleave always worried about strangers getting her e-mail address.

She said that Gleave was so private that she never mentioned that she had another friend in Brantford who lived in the same neighbourhood as Vanstone"

Have always had the impression this friend in Brantford that LV claims she did not know about was the retired teached who witnessed AG's so called Will.

 

[MsSherlock]

Have always had the impression this friend in Brantford that LV claims she did not know about was the retired teached who witnessed AG's so called Will.

Woodland, I don't think those 2 lived in the same neighborhood or even close. LV lived south of Colborne St and the witnesses lived north of the 403 close to the Brantford G&C club. I wonder who the mysterious friend is that lived in LV's neighborhood?IMO it's interesting that LV would mention this in her MSM interview-must have left an impression, because IMHO there are many other nuances of AG that showed how private she was. MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

I'm sure this has been noted before, but bringing it back to the forefront: IMO, it appears that someone other than PK was welcomed in AG's home - one of the posters from Jan 5 http://beckettglaves.frontrunnerpro.com/book-of-memories/619536/Audrey-Gleave/view-condolences.php Interesting note MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

IMO, AG was not a recluse, but for some reason is constantly referenced as one by LV. IMHO, she had a very healthy social life. Wednesday coffee group, Sunday morning visits, trips to the library, visits with PK and constant emails to friends? IMO, AG hadn't slowed down in the previous 3 years. However, coincidence is that it had been 3 years since she had rewritten her will. JMHO, just because a person lives on their own and doesn't like to share their personal business, doesn't make them a recluse.

"She was kind and caring and did not ever want to be the focus of attention," V. said. "She was very much a recluse, especially in the last few years."
http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2011/01/03/16748266.html
re·cluse (rkls, r-kls)
n.
A person who withdraws from the world to live in seclusion and often in solitude.
adj.
Withdrawn from the world; reclusive.

 

[MsSherlock]

IMO, AG was not a recluse, but for some reason is constantly referenced as one by LV. IMHO, she had a very healthy social life. Wednesday coffee group, Sunday morning visits, trips to the library, visits with PK and constant emails to friends? IMO, AG hadn't slowed down in the previous 3 years. However, coincidence is that it had been 3 years since she had rewritten her will. JMHO, just because a person lives on their own and doesn't like to share their personal business, doesn't make them a recluse.

"She was kind and caring and did not ever want to be the focus of attention," V. said. "She was very much a recluse, especially in the last few years."
http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2011/01/03/16748266.html
re·cluse (rkls, r-kls)
n.
A person who withdraws from the world to live in seclusion and often in solitude.
adj.
Withdrawn from the world; reclusive.

Now I'm quoting my own posts!! :scared:
"did not ever want to be the focus of attention" yet AG drove a late model white Camaro with black racing stripe? Racing thru the streets of Brantford as one mourner tells http://beckettglaves.frontrunnerpro.../Audrey-Gleave/view-a-story.php?StoryId=15218

Also states knew her for past several years, shared sodoku puzzles and gardening tips. IMHO, I don't even think AG minded being the focus of attention when she was driving her car! MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I'm sure this has been noted before, but bringing it back to the forefront: IMO, it appears that someone other than PK was welcomed in AG's home - one of the posters from Jan 5 http://beckettglaves.frontrunnerpro.com/book-of-memories/619536/Audrey-Gleave/view-condolences.php Interesting note MOO

I think, you mean the CK, but I'm much more interested in the JH above. He had been on vacation for 7 days and returned just before 3. January 11. (I have been reading a part of his e-book, not only the "Audrey-chapter".) A motive I don't know yet. :blushing: But he is a little suspect for me since I have read.

http://authonomy.com/books/34657/ti...-s-story-/read-book/?chapterid=329602#chapter

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Hi peeps! Happy to see you still working on the case. I'm completely out of ideas. (I'm still going with Egor.......)

:seeya: