That's how I thought things happened as well FromGermany.
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That's how I thought things happened as well FromGermany.
That's a good point NSU - they used a word they thought fit the situation - but does not seem to have been correct.
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Now I'm wondering how well the F family knew AG. Obviously well enough to share e-mail adresses. LF received the 'Amazing Grace' video from Audrey's computer.
Questions about the F family:
- how old is the son?
- did he ever do any handyman-type work for AG?
- does he live at the F household all year round or is he away at school except at holidays?
Thanks.....if anyone know.
Questions about the F family:
- how old is the son?
- did he ever do any handyman-type work for AG?
- does he live at the F household all year round or is he away at school except at holidays?
Thanks.....if anyone know.
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Date of death : Audrey Gleave's body was found last Thursday by a young man who used to do odd jobs for her in her home several kilometres to the east of the abandoned Lynden Road farm,
Police believe she was murdered three days earlier, and have ruled out as a suspect the man who discovered her body.
http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2011/01/04/police-mum-on-homeless-mans-arrest-2
3 days earlier would put the time of death sometime on the 27th.
Timeline of events:
December 27th
PK has email communication early in the day-is told LV is coming with soup. (10:46 am)
LV has confirmed she delivered soup.
LF receives link to Amazing Grace in evening (confirmed last communication) (6 pm)
http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/307803--reclusive-lynden-woman-killed-in-vicious-attack
Missed coffee on Wednesday, December 29th and had prearranged visit with PK for Thursday December 30th at 11 oclock.
December 29th-AG misses coffee group.
December 30th-AG's body is discovered.
IMO there are 2 pieces of info that keep getting thrown in that make things difficult for us. 1) the second visit to the vet and 2) the dogs barking-was it really 2:30 am on the 28th or 29th-accuracy and relevance? MOO
Police believe she was murdered three days earlier, and have ruled out as a suspect the man who discovered her body.
http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2011/01/04/police-mum-on-homeless-mans-arrest-2
3 days earlier would put the time of death sometime on the 27th.
Timeline of events:
December 27th
PK has email communication early in the day-is told LV is coming with soup. (10:46 am)
LV has confirmed she delivered soup.
LF receives link to Amazing Grace in evening (confirmed last communication) (6 pm)
http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/307803--reclusive-lynden-woman-killed-in-vicious-attack
Missed coffee on Wednesday, December 29th and had prearranged visit with PK for Thursday December 30th at 11 oclock.
December 29th-AG misses coffee group.
December 30th-AG's body is discovered.
IMO there are 2 pieces of info that keep getting thrown in that make things difficult for us. 1) the second visit to the vet and 2) the dogs barking-was it really 2:30 am on the 28th or 29th-accuracy and relevance? MOO
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LE has been so closed on this case-IMHO, like everyone here, feels that AG deserves justice but it's so hard with such little evidence to go on. IMO, the murder contained an "anger" component.
Anger could be
1) jealousy (friendship, possessiveness, love interest, possessions, lifestyle)
2) financial(owing someone, someone owing, perhaps a financial comment, wanting something of financial interest ie. land etc)
3) hatred (sexual orientation, racist/bigoted opinions, religion)
When I consider the description of the murder by Hrab with the "sexual component" and trophy statement, IMO, it sounds like something was cut off, leading me to figure out how hatred would fit in with AG. What would cause this hatred? Religious beliefs that AG was evil? Jealousy from someone who thought AG was spending too much time with someone else? Jealous that someone admired AG and acted on a possessive streak? A condescending manner towards someone-insinuating they weren't bright, or were lazy or not good enough to be a friend or perhaps good enough for a friend to have as a partner or friend? Or just a sick random person who hated women? (IMO, AG's dogs would not have been locked in a room if it was the latter.)
Also, IMO, AG didn't have time to scream or alert the dogs but rather ambushed and instantly silenced with a stab or blow to the head while chatting in the garage leaning up against her car while she was getting a smoke or something? Then once on the ground, the hatred and anger (JA style) really set in, resulting in the overkill. JMHO
Anger could be
1) jealousy (friendship, possessiveness, love interest, possessions, lifestyle)
2) financial(owing someone, someone owing, perhaps a financial comment, wanting something of financial interest ie. land etc)
3) hatred (sexual orientation, racist/bigoted opinions, religion)
When I consider the description of the murder by Hrab with the "sexual component" and trophy statement, IMO, it sounds like something was cut off, leading me to figure out how hatred would fit in with AG. What would cause this hatred? Religious beliefs that AG was evil? Jealousy from someone who thought AG was spending too much time with someone else? Jealous that someone admired AG and acted on a possessive streak? A condescending manner towards someone-insinuating they weren't bright, or were lazy or not good enough to be a friend or perhaps good enough for a friend to have as a partner or friend? Or just a sick random person who hated women? (IMO, AG's dogs would not have been locked in a room if it was the latter.)
Also, IMO, AG didn't have time to scream or alert the dogs but rather ambushed and instantly silenced with a stab or blow to the head while chatting in the garage leaning up against her car while she was getting a smoke or something? Then once on the ground, the hatred and anger (JA style) really set in, resulting in the overkill. JMHO
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Fantastic timeline of events posted by SillyBilly on Feb 2/13 Post # 368 AG thread # 7
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Canada - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #7
1937 Feb 3 Audrey was born Otte Wilma Doveika to Antanas (Tony) and Marie (Mary?) Doveika. Tony was an engineer at Greening Wire Co
1950s Audrey changed her name as a teenager (date n/a). She did not get along with her mother
1953 Audrey (16 y.o.) married her first husband, surname Bohnart
1958 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Mrs. Audrey Bohnart, student / Doveika, Anthony, machinist / Doveika, Mrs. Mary
1957 – 1964 Sometime during these years, in her 20s, Audrey married her second husband, Larry Blake who worked at Stelco. They lived on Fairleigh Av South
1960 Audrey worked at Bell
1963 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Blake, Audrey, student / Doveika, Anthony, wire drawer / Doveika, Mary
1964 Audrey enrolled at McMaster University
1964 Audrey met Allan Gleave (Audrey was 27, and Allan 6 yrs her jr, so 21 y.o.)
1965 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Doveika, Audrey, student / Doveika, Anthony, retired / Doveika, Marie
1964 – 1967 Sometime during these years, Audrey worked 2 summers at AECL nuclear laboratories in Chalk River
1966 Audrey graduated with a BSc from McMaster and started working on her degree in physics. She did not complete her Masters but would go on to be a high school science teacher, first at Hill Park Secondary School, later Barton Secondary and then Westdale Secondary
1967 Article titled “Compendium of Thermal Neutron Capture Ray Measurements” published showing “A. Doveika” as one of the authors
Aug 1967 Audrey was featured in Hamilton newspaper re building her own tv. The picture showed a wedding ring on her finger which she supposedly wore even when single
1969 Audrey married her third husband, Allan Gleave. They were married at Salvation Army Chapel on James St North. Allan’s mother Marjorie threw a party for them. They lived for a while with Allan’s parents, then for a time Alma Lane in Ancaster, then built a big home on Indian Trail, which Allan designed. Allan’s brother, David, was a pilot and flew the two of them up north into the bush to camp for a week. They travelled to Europe for three weeks. She talked about having kids.
1972 Hamilton voters list shows Gleave, Allan, engineer and Gleave, Mrs. Audrey, teacher, lived at 271 Alma Lane, Hamilton-Wentworth, Ontario
1972 – 1974 Doveika, Anthony, retired and Doveika, Marie, housewife, lived at 93 South Oval in Hamilton
Nov 20 1973 Audrey acquired the house as sole owner.
1974 Marriage to Allan fell apart. Allan met a younger woman at his karate class. He signed the house over to Audrey. He took a job as a chemical engineer in Sturgeon Falls. He and his new wife never had kids.
1976 Allan’s father died. Audrey attended the funeral and chatted briefly with Allan. Although Allan had made prior trips to Hamilton each year to visit his parents, it was the last time Audrey and Allan ever spoke, although she maintained contact with his brother David G.
Feb 23 1978 Audrey entered into a mortgage with the Hamilton Teacher's Credit Union for $40,500.00. Not specified if it's a first or second mortgage. Duration not specified but was renewable.
1980 Approx year that Lyn V met Audrey when AG was a member of the Brantford Golf & Country Club. This is also the approx. year that Audrey and veterinarian Dr. Dudley Collins became friends.
1980s Early 1980s, Audrey’s father, Tony Doveika died
1994 Dr. Collins retired
1994 Audrey’s mother, Marie Doveika, (whom Audrey had said had “disappeared”
was listed in the Hamilton City Directory. still living at the South Oval Street address
2001 Allan Gleave retired
2003 DLS caused a disturbance in a Henry Street coffee shop when he pulled a steak knife he had concealed in his clothes. A patron talked him into trading the knife for a cigarette. When police arrived, Scott yelled obscenities at them.
2003 Approx year that Audrey attended computer classes at Mohawk College (this is when J Hartig says he first recalls meeting Audrey at Mohawk).
2006 Audrey retired from Westdale Secondary
2006 PK met Audrey while he worked at Windmill Power Equipment in Dundas. He was 18, in his first year at McMaster, and lived with his parents in Brantford. (Year is approximate as the number of years PK says he knew Audrey has varied in different reports .. 2006 is from series written by Jon W)
Feb 3 2007 Audrey's Last Will and Testament signed and witnessed at Brantford, Ontario. LV was named executor and sole beneficiary.
2009-2010 Audrey purchased her Camaro which came off the line in the spring of 2009.
May 2010 Q Restaurant opened. This is where AK worked prior to acquiring SavingT in 2012
June 2010 PK and AT married
Nov 2010 Approx mid to late November, Audrey's mailbox was smashed
Nov 2010 Approx time Audrey had new convection oven installed
Dec 22 2010 Audrey attended her weekly coffee meeting with colleagues (former Westdale Secondary teachers). These meeting had previously been at Williams Fresh Café, across from McMaster, but had apparently changed to the waterfront location.
Dec 23 – 25
2010 Sometime during these days, PK received email from Audrey that she was ill.
Dec 23 – 25
2010 Approx dates that initial reports said Dr. Dudley Collins had seen Audrey “a couple of days before Christmas”
Dec 25 2010 PK says he spoke with Audrey by phone and they rescheduled the delivery of the cake to Thursday, December 30. He says Audrey had stayed home all day.
Dec 26 2010 Audrey was at Lyn V’s home. Unknown if others were present on this date. Audrey normally went there every Sunday for coffee around 9:30 am.
Dec 27 2010 early morning, PK opened his email and received email from Audrey that included the link to the Amazing Grace video
Dec 27 2010 PK received another email from Audrey timed 10:46 am re “secondary infection … cabin fever … LV bringing soup in a few minutes … will make Weds coffee meeting come hell or high water …”
Dec 27 2010 A member of Audrey's coffee group, EM, a science teacher at Westdale, says Audrey emailed someone in the group that she would not be attending the coffee get-together scheduled for Wednesday, Dec 29
Dec 27 2010 Unconfirmed reports that Audrey visited the vet that afternoon with her 2 dogs. This conflicts with initial reports that Dr. Collins saw her a couple of days before Christmas
Dec 27 2010 In the evening, neighbour Linda F opened email from Audrey that included the link to the Amazing Grace video. Jon W series indicates email was sent at approx. 6:00 pm
Dec 29 2010 Fergusons’ dog started barking wildly approx. 2:30 am
Dec 29 2010 DLS arrested for having knife in waistband while at washroom of bank
Dec 29 2010 Ground was snow-covered, and the fog around midnight turned later to freezing fog,
Dec 30 2010 PK drove AK to work at Q that morning. He called Audrey to say he was running late. He arrived approx 11:00 am, let himself into garage and discovered Audrey's body. He called 911 and waited for police to arrive. After Audrey’s body was removed, LE had PK look around the garage to see if anything was missing.
Dec 31 2010 Autopsy began
Jan 2 2011 Police search begins at abandoned barn and property on Lynden Rd where DLS was known to live
Jan 4 2011 Police released the crime scene at Audrey’s home. Friends and a cleanup crew spent the day cleaning out her home.
Jan 4 2011 Police also released the Lynden farmhouse scene where DLS lived
Jan 4 2011 Vigil held for Audrey at United Church, Governor’s Road, Ancaster
Jan 4 2011 According to online obituary, Audrey had been cremated by this date
Jan 5 2011 Memorial Service held at 11 a.m. Wednesday at the Beckett-Glaves Family Funeral Centre on Brant Avenue in Brantford.
Jan 28 2011 “Application for Certificate of Appointment of Estate Trustee with a Will” signed by LV, listing personal property of $50,622.87 and real estate at $425,000
Feb 3 2011 DLS sentenced on knife/bank incident to time served plus 10 days
Feb 8 2011 Reported in the Hamilton Spectator that Audrey’s neighbours said house had already been sold in estate sale and lights were on all the time now
Feb 9 2011 DLS released from serving sentence re knife/bank incident
Feb 10 2011 DLS arrested on 1st degree murder charge in Audrey’s case
Feb 11 2011 DLS arraigned on 1st degree murder charge in Audrey’s case
Feb 22 2011 “Certificate of Appointment of Trustee” signed by Registrar
June 3 2011 DLS released on 1st degree murder charge after forensic evidence didn’t match
August 2011 PK was administered polygraph
Sept 2011 LE met with PK to address discrepancies in his polygraph
Nov 14 2011 Registrar signed “Certificate of Official Document” attaching a true copy of the “Certificate of Appointment of Trustee with a Will” stating that the document remains in full force and effect
Jul 21 2012 Dr. Dudley Collins passed away
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Canada - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #7
1937 Feb 3 Audrey was born Otte Wilma Doveika to Antanas (Tony) and Marie (Mary?) Doveika. Tony was an engineer at Greening Wire Co
1950s Audrey changed her name as a teenager (date n/a). She did not get along with her mother
1953 Audrey (16 y.o.) married her first husband, surname Bohnart
1958 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Mrs. Audrey Bohnart, student / Doveika, Anthony, machinist / Doveika, Mrs. Mary
1957 – 1964 Sometime during these years, in her 20s, Audrey married her second husband, Larry Blake who worked at Stelco. They lived on Fairleigh Av South
1960 Audrey worked at Bell
1963 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Blake, Audrey, student / Doveika, Anthony, wire drawer / Doveika, Mary
1964 Audrey enrolled at McMaster University
1964 Audrey met Allan Gleave (Audrey was 27, and Allan 6 yrs her jr, so 21 y.o.)
1965 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Doveika, Audrey, student / Doveika, Anthony, retired / Doveika, Marie
1964 – 1967 Sometime during these years, Audrey worked 2 summers at AECL nuclear laboratories in Chalk River
1966 Audrey graduated with a BSc from McMaster and started working on her degree in physics. She did not complete her Masters but would go on to be a high school science teacher, first at Hill Park Secondary School, later Barton Secondary and then Westdale Secondary
1967 Article titled “Compendium of Thermal Neutron Capture Ray Measurements” published showing “A. Doveika” as one of the authors
Aug 1967 Audrey was featured in Hamilton newspaper re building her own tv. The picture showed a wedding ring on her finger which she supposedly wore even when single
1969 Audrey married her third husband, Allan Gleave. They were married at Salvation Army Chapel on James St North. Allan’s mother Marjorie threw a party for them. They lived for a while with Allan’s parents, then for a time Alma Lane in Ancaster, then built a big home on Indian Trail, which Allan designed. Allan’s brother, David, was a pilot and flew the two of them up north into the bush to camp for a week. They travelled to Europe for three weeks. She talked about having kids.
1972 Hamilton voters list shows Gleave, Allan, engineer and Gleave, Mrs. Audrey, teacher, lived at 271 Alma Lane, Hamilton-Wentworth, Ontario
1972 – 1974 Doveika, Anthony, retired and Doveika, Marie, housewife, lived at 93 South Oval in Hamilton
Nov 20 1973 Audrey acquired the house as sole owner.
1974 Marriage to Allan fell apart. Allan met a younger woman at his karate class. He signed the house over to Audrey. He took a job as a chemical engineer in Sturgeon Falls. He and his new wife never had kids.
1976 Allan’s father died. Audrey attended the funeral and chatted briefly with Allan. Although Allan had made prior trips to Hamilton each year to visit his parents, it was the last time Audrey and Allan ever spoke, although she maintained contact with his brother David G.
Feb 23 1978 Audrey entered into a mortgage with the Hamilton Teacher's Credit Union for $40,500.00. Not specified if it's a first or second mortgage. Duration not specified but was renewable.
1980 Approx year that Lyn V met Audrey when AG was a member of the Brantford Golf & Country Club. This is also the approx. year that Audrey and veterinarian Dr. Dudley Collins became friends.
1980s Early 1980s, Audrey’s father, Tony Doveika died
1994 Dr. Collins retired
1994 Audrey’s mother, Marie Doveika, (whom Audrey had said had “disappeared”
was listed in the Hamilton City Directory. still living at the South Oval Street address2001 Allan Gleave retired
2003 DLS caused a disturbance in a Henry Street coffee shop when he pulled a steak knife he had concealed in his clothes. A patron talked him into trading the knife for a cigarette. When police arrived, Scott yelled obscenities at them.
2003 Approx year that Audrey attended computer classes at Mohawk College (this is when J Hartig says he first recalls meeting Audrey at Mohawk).
2006 Audrey retired from Westdale Secondary
2006 PK met Audrey while he worked at Windmill Power Equipment in Dundas. He was 18, in his first year at McMaster, and lived with his parents in Brantford. (Year is approximate as the number of years PK says he knew Audrey has varied in different reports .. 2006 is from series written by Jon W)
Feb 3 2007 Audrey's Last Will and Testament signed and witnessed at Brantford, Ontario. LV was named executor and sole beneficiary.
2009-2010 Audrey purchased her Camaro which came off the line in the spring of 2009.
May 2010 Q Restaurant opened. This is where AK worked prior to acquiring SavingT in 2012
June 2010 PK and AT married
Nov 2010 Approx mid to late November, Audrey's mailbox was smashed
Nov 2010 Approx time Audrey had new convection oven installed
Dec 22 2010 Audrey attended her weekly coffee meeting with colleagues (former Westdale Secondary teachers). These meeting had previously been at Williams Fresh Café, across from McMaster, but had apparently changed to the waterfront location.
Dec 23 – 25
2010 Sometime during these days, PK received email from Audrey that she was ill.
Dec 23 – 25
2010 Approx dates that initial reports said Dr. Dudley Collins had seen Audrey “a couple of days before Christmas”
Dec 25 2010 PK says he spoke with Audrey by phone and they rescheduled the delivery of the cake to Thursday, December 30. He says Audrey had stayed home all day.
Dec 26 2010 Audrey was at Lyn V’s home. Unknown if others were present on this date. Audrey normally went there every Sunday for coffee around 9:30 am.
Dec 27 2010 early morning, PK opened his email and received email from Audrey that included the link to the Amazing Grace video
Dec 27 2010 PK received another email from Audrey timed 10:46 am re “secondary infection … cabin fever … LV bringing soup in a few minutes … will make Weds coffee meeting come hell or high water …”
Dec 27 2010 A member of Audrey's coffee group, EM, a science teacher at Westdale, says Audrey emailed someone in the group that she would not be attending the coffee get-together scheduled for Wednesday, Dec 29
Dec 27 2010 Unconfirmed reports that Audrey visited the vet that afternoon with her 2 dogs. This conflicts with initial reports that Dr. Collins saw her a couple of days before Christmas
Dec 27 2010 In the evening, neighbour Linda F opened email from Audrey that included the link to the Amazing Grace video. Jon W series indicates email was sent at approx. 6:00 pm
Dec 29 2010 Fergusons’ dog started barking wildly approx. 2:30 am
Dec 29 2010 DLS arrested for having knife in waistband while at washroom of bank
Dec 29 2010 Ground was snow-covered, and the fog around midnight turned later to freezing fog,
Dec 30 2010 PK drove AK to work at Q that morning. He called Audrey to say he was running late. He arrived approx 11:00 am, let himself into garage and discovered Audrey's body. He called 911 and waited for police to arrive. After Audrey’s body was removed, LE had PK look around the garage to see if anything was missing.
Dec 31 2010 Autopsy began
Jan 2 2011 Police search begins at abandoned barn and property on Lynden Rd where DLS was known to live
Jan 4 2011 Police released the crime scene at Audrey’s home. Friends and a cleanup crew spent the day cleaning out her home.
Jan 4 2011 Police also released the Lynden farmhouse scene where DLS lived
Jan 4 2011 Vigil held for Audrey at United Church, Governor’s Road, Ancaster
Jan 4 2011 According to online obituary, Audrey had been cremated by this date
Jan 5 2011 Memorial Service held at 11 a.m. Wednesday at the Beckett-Glaves Family Funeral Centre on Brant Avenue in Brantford.
Jan 28 2011 “Application for Certificate of Appointment of Estate Trustee with a Will” signed by LV, listing personal property of $50,622.87 and real estate at $425,000
Feb 3 2011 DLS sentenced on knife/bank incident to time served plus 10 days
Feb 8 2011 Reported in the Hamilton Spectator that Audrey’s neighbours said house had already been sold in estate sale and lights were on all the time now
Feb 9 2011 DLS released from serving sentence re knife/bank incident
Feb 10 2011 DLS arrested on 1st degree murder charge in Audrey’s case
Feb 11 2011 DLS arraigned on 1st degree murder charge in Audrey’s case
Feb 22 2011 “Certificate of Appointment of Trustee” signed by Registrar
June 3 2011 DLS released on 1st degree murder charge after forensic evidence didn’t match
August 2011 PK was administered polygraph
Sept 2011 LE met with PK to address discrepancies in his polygraph
Nov 14 2011 Registrar signed “Certificate of Official Document” attaching a true copy of the “Certificate of Appointment of Trustee with a Will” stating that the document remains in full force and effect
Jul 21 2012 Dr. Dudley Collins passed away
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Quoted from MsSherlock's post:
<<< Date of death : Audrey Gleave's body was found last Thursday by a young man who used to do odd jobs for her in her home several kilometres to the east of the abandoned Lynden Road farm>>>
OK, so this struck me - by a young man who used to do odd jobs for her
"Used to" do odd jobs? So, at the time of Audrey's death/MURDER was he merely a friend/e-mail buddy/cake delivery guy and not her handyman anymore?
Why was I under the impression that he still was her handyman in spite of his newly married status? Did the rest of you think that as well?
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<<< Date of death : Audrey Gleave's body was found last Thursday by a young man who used to do odd jobs for her in her home several kilometres to the east of the abandoned Lynden Road farm>>>
OK, so this struck me - by a young man who used to do odd jobs for her
"Used to" do odd jobs? So, at the time of Audrey's death/MURDER was he merely a friend/e-mail buddy/cake delivery guy and not her handyman anymore?
Why was I under the impression that he still was her handyman in spite of his newly married status? Did the rest of you think that as well?
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Also quoted from MsSherlock's post:
<<< Police believe she was murdered three days earlier, and have ruled out as a suspect the man who discovered her body. >>>
But please note that LE say "believe" that was the time of the murder and that PK was innocent. Later, however, PK was asked (twice) to take a polygraph and one of those polygraphs contained "inconsistencies".
That said.....I also 'believe' that the 27th was the final day AG was alive.
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<<< Police believe she was murdered three days earlier, and have ruled out as a suspect the man who discovered her body. >>>
But please note that LE say "believe" that was the time of the murder and that PK was innocent. Later, however, PK was asked (twice) to take a polygraph and one of those polygraphs contained "inconsistencies".
That said.....I also 'believe' that the 27th was the final day AG was alive.
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Copied from Silly Billy's timeline:
<<< Nov 2010 Approx mid to late November, Audrey's mailbox was smashed >>>
So if PK was no longer her handyman, why did he take her shopping (stealing, too) for a new mailbox part? You know, the time she had 'the night of her life'? At night, at Canadian Tire, leaving AK at home alone. A newlywed.........
Something's off here. Or.......he's really really really a nice guy and AG was incapable of driving her hot Camaro to Canadian Tire alone to get/steal the mailbox part.
He's probably just a really nice guy..........
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<<< Nov 2010 Approx mid to late November, Audrey's mailbox was smashed >>>
So if PK was no longer her handyman, why did he take her shopping (stealing, too) for a new mailbox part? You know, the time she had 'the night of her life'? At night, at Canadian Tire, leaving AK at home alone. A newlywed.........
Something's off here. Or.......he's really really really a nice guy and AG was incapable of driving her hot Camaro to Canadian Tire alone to get/steal the mailbox part.
He's probably just a really nice guy..........
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Just putting it out there.......
It hit me the other day that Audrey in her youth looks very much like AK. On my iPad so cannot do my tricks w/side by side pics just now. I think PK was fascinated with Audrey's mind. Nothing more exhilarating than chatting with an intellect. Uhm....
It hit me the other day that Audrey in her youth looks very much like AK. On my iPad so cannot do my tricks w/side by side pics just now. I think PK was fascinated with Audrey's mind. Nothing more exhilarating than chatting with an intellect. Uhm....
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This has always bugged me. The 'inconsistencies'! And.... The fact that apparently that's ok! :banghead: no more followup?
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IMHO, LE asked PK to take the test again because they had made a wrongful arrest and put their efforts back towards the description from the profiler and PK fit the profile-somewhat. Kind of trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole. However, IMO the difference in the polygraph results could be due to PK questioning certain people around him and perhaps he did know the killer, meaning perhaps someone around him had given him reason to think they may of in fact had the motive and opportunity to do Audrey in? Perhaps he was instrumental in innocently setting it up for the killer, leaving an open path to AG? I would imagine a bit of inner questioning could throw the polygraph off.
IMO, one thing we do know for sure is that PK is brilliant. In his field of study, he would possess an analytical and logical mind and I believe that he truly adored AG for her brilliance. Perhaps AG was influencing PK suggesting a better school or something? Even though AG loved teaching, maybe she was remorseful of never getting her PhD and doing even greater things with her genius and saw herself in PK and was trying to keep him focused and steering him clear of her perceived mistakes?
IMO, PK was victimized by being the person who had to discover AG's body. After all, if no one from the coffee group came calling to see where AG was, then PK was the next scheduled (and recorded by email) visit. I would imagine that he may have blocked a lot of what he saw because it just didn't make sense to him at the time. For a young man in his mid-20's being in the middle of a crime scene for the murder of a beloved friend/mentor and then the investigation-it would be a tad bit overwhelming.... Just thinking at the keyboard MOO
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