CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #8

[roseofsharon]

With the reported number of emails that PK received from AG (iirc 2,000), since the two of them met in 2006, it is quite understandable PK would be a recipient of the Amazing Grace email.

It would be interesting to know why AG chose LF, as the other recipient for the video, since AG had a list of email friends.

Since AG was a night hawk, she would have had lots of time to send the video to others, even though she never used group email due to her privacy concerns.

Is AG holding a Nikon camera in this picture?

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2123220-audrey-s-case-gets-colder/


MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

Is AG holding a Nikon camera in this picture?

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2123220-audrey-s-case-gets-colder/

MOO

<rsbm>

Don't know about the camera, but when the pic is enlarged you can see that Audrey has something looped over her left arm ... a cane perhaps?

So, who was taking pictures of Audrey taking pics ? By the way she is dressed, I would think the pic was taken inside her home.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Yes, I think it's a Nikon.

QUESTION:

How does one make the photo larger? :blushing: I can't see anything looped over her arm.

Wonder who took the pic.

 

[dotr]

Audrey took that pic herself, maybe item looped on arm is camera or lens cover.

http://www.johnhartig.info/12-headlines.html

"Audrey Gleave Murdered Why?

Monday, January 3, 2011"

 

[dotr]

That is a good and plausible theory C4 - it accounts for the crating of the dogs and LE's statement AG knew her killer.

Ita, this would be something Audrey might come up with, if not to catch someone snooping around her house,then to catch mailbox vandals.
Wonder if there is any evidence that Audrey ever used cctv cameras or otherwise to record images outside her house?

 

[roseofsharon]

On another forum, there is discussion regarding missing bank statements.

I don't remember anything about this at the time of AG's murder.

 

[Sillybilly]

Audrey took that pic herself, maybe item looped on arm is camera or lens cover.

http://www.johnhartig.info/12-headlines.html

"Audrey Gleave Murdered Why?

Monday, January 3, 2011"

I read the article dotr but can't find where he says Audrey took that pic.

ETA: Okay, I see it now that she took the pic (likely in her bathroom mirror ... it seems there is a roll of tissue in the pic, LOL).

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes, I think it's a Nikon.

QUESTION:

How does one make the photo larger? :blushing: I can't see anything looped over her arm.

Wonder who took the pic.

I right click and save the pic, then open the pic with the viewer (i.e. Windows Live Photo Gallery), then use the slider at the bottom to enlarge.

 

[Chorley8]

On another forum, there is discussion regarding missing bank statements.

I don't remember anything about this at the time of AG's murder.

Who said they were missing and how would they know they were missing I wonder. And this is the home of the famous pack rat. Has to be the executor surely unless the yard boy/friend P.K. had an opinion.

Anyway wouldn't there be copies online or at least at the bank this makes no sense to me. In Ancaster surely someone would see her in the snazzy car going to the bank.

I love the story of the executor going bank to bank asking if AG had an account there by any chance.

Two things contradict: the speed to clear the house and missing info unless the speed to clear the house was a pursuit of the bank statements but I doubt it.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

The only thing I recall (about Audrey's papers/things) was that she kept all her important papers/documents in her purse. I don't remember anything about things from her purse/house being missing.

Chorley, you make a good point about people seeing that Camaro parked at a bank. Even when we were living in Toronto, I'd have people say that they saw my car parked in front of the bank. In fact, in Ancaster Audrey would be noticed driving anywhere in her Camaro.

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:rose: Three years ago today, no one had heard from Audrey. We're going to keep at this case until it's solved. At least, I will........ :rose: Be at peace Audrey.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Some thoughts about money:

Did Audrey do her banking online? (I do even though I really don't trust computers).

Did Audrey file her taxes online? (We do. My husband uses QuickTax).

Did Audrey have her OAS and Teacher's Pension put in her bank by direct deposit? Or did the slips come via Canada Post?

Did Audrey have any tax deduction slips - animal charities, medical slips (even though she apparently never took prescription meds), other?

Did Audrey still belong to the RTO (Retired Teacher's Organization)? If so, she'd receive in the mail the RTO magazine.

Did Audrey always pay cash or did she have a Visa/etc as back-up? (Vet visits can be really costly).

Did Audrey belong to the GM Assistance programme? (I do, just in case....).

And more..........on and on.

:rose:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Thoughts about the foil on the windows:

Was there a peeper sneaking around Audrey's house?

Did any of her 'good friends' ask about the foil out of concern regarding a peeper?

Foil can be used to scramble radar. Was this the reason?


:rose:

 

[roseofsharon]

Wow, so many excellent questions.

Chorley, I read about the missing bank statements on UC, but I don't know where they got this information. They discuss the missing statements referencing the damaged mail box.

NoStone, regarding the bank, iirc, I thought waaaay back, it was reported that AG went to the Teachers Federation Credit Union on a weekly basis to withdraw money and PK (on this WS forum) told us that AG used cash most of the time, as far as he knew, as he wouldn't know for certain. (paraphrasing)

imo

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Has anyone considered this:

Ever since we learned about the barn near Audrey's house, I've been thinking that the killer(s) used the barn to hide/clean up/dispose of weapons/etc. The barn would be perfect for the killer(s) knowing the innocent gentleman often was seen in/near that barn.

This has been niggling away at me for three years now........

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

About using cash all the time:

Yes, ROS I recall PK telling us that Audrey "always" paid in cash. But now I'm thinking of big items - convection oven, flat screen TV, the CAR!!!!!!!, big stuff.

Something isn't ringing true here...........

Sure, she no doubt paid in cash when PK took her shopping for small items. But the more expensive stuff........???????????

ETA: Yes, now I remember the Teacher's Credit Union info.

 

[roseofsharon]

AG was not found dressed in anything fancy for the holidays, so I don't think she was expecting anyone, but I do think it was someone known to her and since she was found in the garage, it appears that the person saw AG driving down her road, so assumed she was heading home and saw that no one was with her.

Her dogs were probably contained before she left her home and so were still in their crates. She did not get a chance to enter her home from her garage. She was probably forced to give the killer the code for the garage door.

AG's home is so off the beaten path, if the killer was not driving, then it had to be someone on foot living "close".

imo

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

AG was not found dressed in anything fancy for the holidays, so I don't think she was expecting anyone, but I do think it was someone known to her and since she was found in the garage, it appears that the person saw AG driving down her road, so assumed she was heading home and saw that no one was with her.

Her dogs were probably contained before she left her home and so were still in their crates. She did not get a chance to enter her home from her garage. She was probably forced to give the killer the code for the garage door.

AG's home is so off the beaten path, if the killer was not driving, then it had to be someone on foot living "close".

imo

Good thinking, ROS.

IMO, I'd say the person followed Audrey in a car - if your theory pans out.

 

[Sillybilly]

AG was not found dressed in anything fancy for the holidays, so I don't think she was expecting anyone, but I do think it was someone known to her and since she was found in the garage, it appears that the person saw AG driving down her road, so assumed she was heading home and saw that no one was with her.

Her dogs were probably contained before she left her home and so were still in their crates. She did not get a chance to enter her home from her garage. She was probably forced to give the killer the code for the garage door.

AG's home is so off the beaten path, if the killer was not driving, then it had to be someone on foot living "close".

imo

<bbm>

However, LE said the most horrific crime they had seen in 10 years, so I'm very inclined to think the main crime scene was inside her home.

I wonder if PK closed the garage door after finding Audrey's body and while he stayed outside the garage waiting for LE to arrive. Surely it would have taken LE about 10 mins to arrive at that fairly remote location.

Had Audrey been killed inside the garage and PK left the door open awaiting their arrival, this should have been enough time for his mind to totally absorb the total depravity involved with her murder IF it took place in the garage.

 

[Chorley8]

Good thinking, ROS.

IMO, I'd say the person followed Audrey in a car - if your theory pans out.

I agree this is something knew to think about. And Sillybilly yes probably more than 10 minutes. Was he reporting a murder or a woman without vital signs by the way?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

It's been my thoughts all along that Audrey was killed inside her home FWIW.

About PK's 911 call - since the 911 people asked him to go back to check for a pulse it *seems* he was only calling in about a woman who was on the garage floor.

And if he left the garage door open to the elements, wouldn't that have added to contaminating the crime scene? Also PK told us that he didn't see any signs of Audrey being dragged to the garage from the house.

What to believe..........:twocents: