CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #8
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I'm not an expert on Estates, but I'm thinking that if there was only one beneficiary to AG's estate, Probate would have been relatively quick and easy. Perhaps AG did have other investments and/or bank accounts that LV was joint on? If that was the case then they wouldn't be included in the Will-they would have just been taken over by the survivor.
Also, I was thinking that if AG had RRSP's/RRIFs, that LV may have been the beneficiary. If I'm not mistaken, they can stay in RRSP's, but the amounts have to be included on the final tax return and taxes paid out of that. The point I'm getting at is that perhaps the 50K was the amount that was in the bank account after the taxes were paid on any RRSP's? That would explain why there wasn't a lot of money there. MOO
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Are you sure that mortgage was to buy Allan out? They split in 1974 and as per JW, he "signed the house over ...":
from:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2215939-who-is-audrey-gleave/
Audrey and Allan had not talked after his father's funeral in 1976. From my notes, the mortgage was in 1978, $40,500.00 to the Hamilton Teachers' Credit Union. Although the mortgage would be registered on title, it should only show the Hamilton Teachers' Credit Union as the mortgagee, with nothing to indicate what the money was for. Also (if my notes are correct), the term and amortization were not specified but it was renewable. I can't find my copy now (computer ughs), so hope you still have a copy on hand.
Also, for some reason I have that Audrey acquired the house Nov 20 1973 as sole owner (then a note that the marriage fell apart in 1974, so not 100% sure where the timeline info came from at the time it was compiled)
I need to correct what the $50K in the probate docs was for - it suppose to be all money (cash and investments), the value of vehicles, jewelery, and any other item(s) that can be liquidated into cash. Property is separate from this.
It was known at the time that AG had a new Camaro - if that value was $35 or so, then the balance $15K was the money reported. So the probate docs read that AG bought a new Camaro and left herself with $15K or so to live on.
It reads this way as LV claimed not to know where AG banked - so joint accounts/investments etc would not really work.
I agree that one beneficiary likely made things work quickly - if that was what AG wanted. Thankfully AG left her Will in her purse on her kitchen counter where LE easily found it after her vicious murder.
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I just unapproved posts because I do not have time to read them all and make a determination but I do see sleuthing of persons that are against TOS. Do not sleuth family members, friends, etc. that are not named as suspects.
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http://www.chch.com/one-week-after-gruesome-discovery-shock-remains/
In this video one of AG's friend's states that AG signed all of her personal emails with "Hug a Puppy".
The email to PK with the odd "don't think I've a fever" phrasing wasn't signed that way. I wonder if she only signed personal emails to certain people like that.
In this video one of AG's friend's states that AG signed all of her personal emails with "Hug a Puppy".
The email to PK with the odd "don't think I've a fever" phrasing wasn't signed that way. I wonder if she only signed personal emails to certain people like that.
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I've read so much about the video of PK being interviewed at the memorial, but have never been able to view it because it was already disabled by the time I started following this case. Last night I started searching the news sites for their archives and came across the archived vids on the CHCH website.
http://www.chch.com/?s=audrey+gleave
The Brantford Expositor also has archives on their website but the videos aren't working. I emailed them to find out if there's any way to view them.
Read this quickly Paragirl - thread #3, page 14, post #333 - [modsnip: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7327918&postcount=333]
Just to put all info on the table, I did a transcript of the video interview with PK with his wife at the funeral, posted 2 pages back starting at the 42 second mark up to the point of ... choking/coughing or whatever it was.
... PK - we made it and we were gonna drop by on Christmas day with it, but Audrey had been a little under the weather, so ahhh, you know she said I'm feeling a little weak today, but ahhh, you know why don't you drop by next Thursday morning and then um, choke etc etc.
PK goes on to say Alex, his wife, had to work on Thursday so he went alone.
So PK seems to be saying he was planning to visit Audrey on the 25th up until the point he called her.
For comparison purposes only, I read PK's last post on WS - thread #2, page 24, post #582 (sorry dotr I gave you the wrong post # in private message) in response to a previous question from dotr - I had originally planned to visit Audrey on Christmas Day but she had e-mailed me a day or 2 prior to call it off ...
It's not necessarily a big deal, but PK knew before Christmas he wasn't going to visit AG on the 25th, and it was on the 25th, according to PK, that the new visit was scheduled.
At the time the video was shot, PK must have already told LE exactly what had transpired for his scheduled visit(s). I just don't get why he seemed to be worried at the time the video was shot that he forgot to mention the 25th visit was cancelled.
Is this the discrepancy?
The actual transcript from page 12 (2 pages back as posted) is gone. Are we onto something here? I'm liking this thread.
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Just picking away at these videos trying to maybe get SOME sense of what's been confirmed and what hasn't. It's been discussed that AG's dogs were barricaded in a particular area of the home when she was found etc., and speculated that this is why they couldn't protect her.
http://www.chch.com/one-less-suspect-in-gleave-murder-mystery/
In this video (paraphrasing):
Reporter: Gleaves reclusive lifestyle supports the notion that it was a stranger that caused her harm, her only companions were her two German Shepherds. When asked why they didnt attack their owners attacker, Hrab said that is something they havent been able to answer yet.
I think it would be obvious if the reason the dogs didn't protect AG was that they were crated or locked in a room, and couldn't get to her. I think if this was the case then Hrab's response would be more along of the lines of - that's information we aren't releasing at this time, or something of that nature. This response, "that is something we haven't been able to answer yet" in my opinion, implies that this is a question they also have, and haven't figured out the answer yet.
So if there was potentially opportunity for the dogs to defend AG, maybe they knew the attacker and didn't perceive a threat until AG was already out of their reach (in the garage)? Someone the dogs were familiar with...
http://www.chch.com/one-less-suspect-in-gleave-murder-mystery/
In this video (paraphrasing):
Reporter: Gleaves reclusive lifestyle supports the notion that it was a stranger that caused her harm, her only companions were her two German Shepherds. When asked why they didnt attack their owners attacker, Hrab said that is something they havent been able to answer yet.
I think it would be obvious if the reason the dogs didn't protect AG was that they were crated or locked in a room, and couldn't get to her. I think if this was the case then Hrab's response would be more along of the lines of - that's information we aren't releasing at this time, or something of that nature. This response, "that is something we haven't been able to answer yet" in my opinion, implies that this is a question they also have, and haven't figured out the answer yet.
So if there was potentially opportunity for the dogs to defend AG, maybe they knew the attacker and didn't perceive a threat until AG was already out of their reach (in the garage)? Someone the dogs were familiar with...
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Audrey was killed in the garage, the dogs were in the home. Whether they were created or loose does not matter, there was a door between them. Sometimes dogs you think will protect you really won't. I had an aggressive shepard mix dog that ran off and hid when a trespassing hunter with a gun ran into us in my woods, I was totally shocked.
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Please refresh my bad memory - how do we KNOW that Audrey was killed in the garage? If you have a link, that would be helpful. My memory is failing me right now - I thought we didn't know where she was killed.
Thanks........
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You are correct NSU ... we don't know where she was killed, only that she was found in the garage.
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