CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #8

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from Woodland:

PK also said he did not see any footprints leading from the garage - to either the house or outside. Have no idea how that could be pulled off with a stabbing and other horrors inflicted on someone. Unless one had a backpack with fresh shoes to put on.


I'm starting to think the killer changed his clothing and footwear because at that time of the year the R.I.D.E campaign would be in full force everywhere.

:twocents:

 

[Woodland]

If I was staging this crime scene, I would have coveralls, a shower cap thingy, covering for over my shoes or different shoes, gloves, face mask in a backpack - basically dress like a CSI person without the flashlight. I could then remove the soiled overalls, have clean footwear and get out of there to a waiting vehicle. One would need a waiting vehicle nearby.

Oh wait! From thread #1, page 1, post #15 -

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario

Of course the video no longer plays but thankfully Snoopster spelled out what was said - who was the neighbour that claims to have seen someone walking down AG's driveway with a backpack? Did they see this or only spreading a rumous around? 15 minutes of fame or something else?

 

[SideKick]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2216816-audrey-s-story-continues/

From the link above....

Everyone wanted to share a theory about the mystery, ask him what he knew. It bothered him. He wanted to talk about Audrey's life, not her death

PK states “Obviously, I want to see justice served but I don't need that to happen to have closure; I don't need to have a theory,” he said.

I understand not everyone wants to talk about the morbidity of death however, in the case, Aud being a 'close' friend to PK, wouldn't one think he would WANT to have a theory? Just like... oh well, Aud died, horribly but I want to remember how lovely she was........:rollercoaster:

 

[SideKick]

On another note, i saw somewhere that JV's dad was from Brantford and I don't know when he/they moved away from there. IIRC, PK attended Brantford High, so am just wondering if JV and PK knew each other through school or possibly just through LV.

Silly, he was mentioned in the Will, I think.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

If I was staging this crime scene, I would have coveralls, a shower cap thingy, covering for over my shoes or different shoes, gloves, face mask in a backpack - basically dress like a CSI person without the flashlight. I could then remove the soiled overalls, have clean footwear and get out of there to a waiting vehicle. One would need a waiting vehicle nearby.

Oh wait! From thread #1, page 1, post #15 -

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario

Of course the video no longer plays but thankfully Snoopster spelled out what was said - who was the neighbour that claims to have seen someone walking down AG's driveway with a backpack? Did they see this or only spreading a rumous around? 15 minutes of fame or something else?

I could very easily be wrong Woodland, but something tells me one of the neighbours said a person with a backpack was seen walking up AG's roadway. :dunno:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

(2 members and 114 guests)

Well, we certainly have gained attention here!! :drumroll:

And now:

(2 members and 135 guests)

 

[SideKick]

Googled CHCH News.
Here are some AG Video's for interest.

http://www.chch.com/?s=audrey+gleave

SK

 

[Woodland]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2216816-audrey-s-story-continues/

From the link above....

Everyone wanted to share a theory about the mystery, ask him what he knew. It bothered him. He wanted to talk about Audrey's life, not her death

PK states “Obviously, I want to see justice served but I don't need that to happen to have closure; I don't need to have a theory,” he said.

I understand not everyone wants to talk about the morbidity of death however, in the case, Aud being a 'close' friend to PK, wouldn't one think he would WANT to have a theory? Just like... oh well, Aud died, horribly but I want to remember how lovely she was........:rollercoaster:

Agree SideKick - I would be wondering how I could help by talking about it with others and trying to see if I could remember anything out of the ordinary to report to LE. LV didn't seem to have many, if any, questions either that I have seen or read. Nor did she offer a reward for info - AG's money could have covered that.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from SideKick's link:

PK states “Obviously, I want to see justice served but I don't need that to happen to have closure; I don't need to have a theory,” he said.



Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? :bang: That's absurd.

 

[dotr]

(2 members and 114 guests)

Well, we certainly have gained attention here!! :drumroll:

And now:

(2 members and 135 guests)

Is that a typo? seriously 114 and 135 guests?!

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Is that a typo? seriously 114 and 135 guests?!

It's what I copied from below. Colette and I were the 2 people and then there were the guests.

:dunno:

 

[SideKick]

PK being in the house a few days later.... quote, is just absurd. This is a crime scene no? You would think LE would have it taped off for at least a month or so, inspecting everything! This woman was murdered in home (garage) or home on her property! Pass over the insanity pills please. I am still shocked her house was sold so very quickly, just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.. to me.

Also, from the link from PK's posts....

Speaking if Audrey took RX meds. He replies, she never mentioned it and I never saw any of the expected debris in the kitchen, bathroom or BEDROOM.
Whoa! Hang on to your horses! Is it just me or what?

Firstly, why would she mention she took any kind of medication to her 'work hand' and secondly, why would he ever be in her bedroom!?! Just ODD considering they only sat outside on the bench or in the tv room.

Also.... ODD
What the heck is PK doing in the house checking for things missing and he says 'I didn't see any streaks between the door to the house where she was found'. As far as my experience goes in reading cases, LE/The Police check for such evidence as blood and why was he so specific about where he didn't see any? --- between the door and found.

Did we find out why the garage man was rude to Audrey? I wonder why PK mentioned that? Was he really, really rude, enough to have said it?

:tantrum:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

SideKick - I think you mean that the convection oven man was rude to AG.

Now........PK talking about being in AG's BEDROOM!! :tantrum: What's he trying to prove here? Why tell us? Why not simply say - 'I don't think she took any prescription meds'. End of story.

There's much more that meets the eye here regarding PK, his stories, his inconsistencies, his marriage, etc.

He's one odd dude, I'd say.

:countsheep:

 

[Woodland]

PK being in the house a few days later.... quote, is just absurd. This is a crime scene no? You would think LE would have it taped off for at least a month or so, inspecting everything! This woman was murdered in home (garage) or home on her property! Pass over the insanity pills please. I am still shocked her house was sold so very quickly, just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.. to me.

Also, from the link from PK's posts....

Speaking if Audrey took RX meds. He replies, she never mentioned it and I never saw any of the expected debris in the kitchen, bathroom or BEDROOM.
Whoa! Hang on to your horses! Is it just me or what?

Firstly, why would she mention she took any kind of medication to her 'work hand' and secondly, why would he ever be in her bedroom!?! Just ODD considering they only sat outside on the bench or in the tv room.

Also.... ODD
What the heck is PK doing in the house checking for things missing and he says 'I didn't see any streaks between the door to the house where she was found'. As far as my experience goes in reading cases, LE/The Police check for such evidence as blood and why was he so specific about where he didn't see any? --- between the door and found.

Did we find out why the garage man was rude to Audrey? I wonder why PK mentioned that? Was he really, really rude, enough to have said it?

:tantrum:

Pk puts himself awfully close to AG doesn't he? Knows her every habit. But isn't sure where AG would confine her dogs when needed? Doesn't know why AG would tell him she is going to her regular coffee clatch then immediately cancels?

Circumstantial at best, imo. However that doesn't mean one could stop looking over one's shoulder every minute of every day if one was involved.

Jmo.

 

[Woodland]

We also don't know if any of PK's stories are true - the oven guy was rude, the mailbox part stolen from the store it was purchased from? For all we know, AG bought a new oven and a new mailbox - period.

I personally believe none of what PK says in light of his lack of action(s). I like the old adage 'actions speak louder than words'. Not hearing much here. Same goes for LV imo.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

If memory serves, we don't know about DNA regarding the crime scene (I could very easily be wrong :blushing. Since PK had to take a polygraph and he said 'they searched my person' it seems as though they took his DNA.

But let's remember, PK was all over AG's house (even her BEDROOM) so his DNA will be everywhere. He's basically off the hook!

:bang:

 

[Deleted member 102539]

To think further, I want to know from dd2 re. your deleted post:
I have gotten JF, but what group do you mean? Could you help with an briefly circumscription?
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Also to think further, I want to ask: Have we already talked about AG's general practitioner? She had been "so ill" (PK), therefore she perhaps needed one. Of course, I don't think about a doc as a perp.

And to break the cycle, we always think in: Could it be, the shepherds were locked outside the home and not inside? Were they locked in the kennel only at the end? (The perp has to be a "dog whisperer" or so. ) - Then we would know, why one didn't see any traces of droppings inside the home.
Another possibility is, the shepherds were brought to a different place and were brought back at the end (per "dog whisperer" too).
Btw I want to know, whether the dogs had to leave the home through the garage or through another door to have spout? Important, if they had to pass their dead master.

AG loved the book "Fair Game" from ex-CIA spy Valerie Plame Wilson. PK has told us, and because of AG's enthusiasm PK asked of connections with AG's past. I don't necessarily think, AG had been an agent in her past. I only noticed, that the book came on market 10/2007 and 2007 was the year, AG meant to need writing her Will. Your thoughts?

On a map in another AG-thread (#8) I have seen: The home of PK's parents is near of an Equine Drug Evaluation Centre. Has this any significance?

Today I have no more questions (but there are still many).

Thank you for your help!

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Some paltry responses, the best I can do::blushing:

1. I don't think we've discussed AG's GP. We know that someone who held a door for her at College because she had 'bad knees'. BUT......PK *knows* that AG took no prescription meds (because he's been all over her house looking in her "debris", looking in her bathroom, looking in her bedroom). :bang: :tantrum:

2. I honestly do not think that AG was associated with any government agency. I read murder mysteries but I'm not a murderer nor a detective! These books simply relax me.

3. I thnk we have to stay on course with young and close. I think we also have to look at the motive being money/greed/lacking in the Will.

:read: :detective:

 

[roseofsharon]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2123220-audrey-s-case-gets-colder/

When AG took this picture of herself, I doubt very much she would have wanted this particular photo displayed at her memorial service :-

I do not mean to disrespect AG, but when she took this picture of herself, she was probably testing her new camera and did not intend for this photo to be seen by the Lynden community.

IMO, choosing this photo was meant to demean AG.

Was the Amazing Grace video with Andre Rieu and the Scottish Pipers sent to the F's across the street because their surname is of Scottish origin or did the killer also happen to know the neighbours across the street.


IMO

 

[roseofsharon]

Absolutely!

The way PK speaks on the videos is somewhat too professional while describing Aud. The lack of true emotion is so apparent, as if she passed by natural means not murdered. I could be wrong....

Can you refresh my memory as to the DNA. Was there DNA found anywhere at the home? Under A's fingernails? Did PK submit his DNA?

What would have been his motive? Perhaps plain old anger? If so, what would A have done or not done to anger him so much that week?

I always thought it was a little odd that AK did not even offer up one compassionate word regarding AG when her husband PK was talking to the reporter. I always got the impression she may have been told not to say anything, should a reporter approach them at the funeral home, but just IMO.