CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #9

[deugirtni]

They did mention the types of DNA in the article. We don't know what was resent or what came of it. I hope they continue to resend evidence as this technology advances.

I'm more than a bit disappointed that this was never mentioned in any of the updates about Audrey's case.

The article mentioned the possibilities as far as types of DNA which are possible to find, but we don't know which type(s) were found in AG's case (unless I missed that important detail in the article, hopefully not!)... and also, if they have certain types of DNA, whether it is even related to her murder. (ie I'm thinking they could've potentially found 'touch DNA' on something, like say AG's coat button, but it may not have necessarily have been deposited there at the time of the crime... could it have been the week before, etc? - that type of thing)

Which part are you more than a bit disappointed about that it was never mentioned in updates? When *was* the last update? Seems like years ago And possibly any reporters weren't interviewing this Huys person, to even know about it? I think we all assumed there was some kind of potential DNA, since they did take the dogs' blood and hair for testing, and they seemed to say DS was not the perp, based on some kind of results that came back, and according to PK, whatever they have, also did not match PK? Too bad we can't just go and look at all of their files.

 

[deugirtni]

Mentioning the coffee group, in this article it states she told someone she would make the Wed coffee, when she did not, did anyone try to contact her?

Who killed Audrey Gleave?

Life pulses in the countryside, trees and fields full and green in the hamlet of Lynden, near Ancaster.

www.thespec.com

That article you are quoting above is no longer viable.. but in it, it said the opposite, that she told someone she would NOT be able to attend:

Gleave also met with former Westdale Secondary School colleagues for coffee every Wednesday. She cancelled last Monday, saying she was ill.

The article was published January 5, 2011, so I'm assuming the person meant that AG had cancelled on Monday, December 27th, the very same day that AG had told PK that come hell or high water, she WOULD be attending the coffee group.......... totally weird!

According to PK, he was unaware of that communication between AG and the coffee group member:
@ Hazel (#507 - re AG cancelling coffee) (CANADA - Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #2)
- Wow! I had missed this before but this is really perplexing me… why did she email me to tell me she was going?? (CANADA - Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #2)

 

[deugirtni]

I just realized.... pressreader.com still has some of those historical news articles. If you go to the link, go up to the top of the page where the 'magnifying glass' is, and do a search for different things, it will show you different articles. I did a search for Friends remember Audrey Gleave, and it offered a few articles (including photos) from the time.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I am not sure why someone with aggressive protective dogs would go into a garage with a knife, why not send the dogs in the garage and call the police yourself?

WAIT! Where did I miss that AG took a knife of her own WITH HER INTO THE GARAGE? My memory is poor but can it be that poor?

Would someone kindly post an article that tells us AG took her own knife with her. Thanks in advance.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

That's the same frustration I feel. It seems like something is off.

Audrey has no living blood relatives that we know of to remind police and the public of how much her life mattered to them. I'm afraid we are all she has to keep advocating for her: a bunch of strangers on the internet. I explained to someone who asked why I am still following Audrey's case: we're all she's got, and she deserves answers as much as anyone else.

If anyone else is speaking up for Audrey on anniversary dates, etc., they aren't talking to the media about it. Keeping silent does not get these cases solved. We are not silent here. For whatever good that does, we're all Audrey has. I'm sorry, Audrey!

Yes, we are all AG has. I’m an only child, perhaps that’s why I’m so avid here for Audrey. I cannot let her down.

 

[Gina20]

Why was a mid-year article written about Audrey's case?

Who killed Audrey Gleave? ‘Horrendous’ Ancaster murder still unsolved

Retired science teacher’s body was found in her garage, with her protective dogs locked in the house.

www.thespec.com

It came within a week of this article:

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Maybe the reporter has the same questions that we do. Thank you for that.

 

[Gina20]

WAIT! Where did I miss that AG took a knife of her own WITH HER INTO THE GARAGE? My memory is poor but can it be that poor?

Would someone kindly post an article that tells us AG took her own knife with her. Thanks in advance.

No. We don't know anything. That was the point. We don't know if she took a weapon into her garage, or if her killer brought one or if he grabbed something from the garage. She was stabbed with something. If it was premeditated, her killer would might have brought a weapon. If it was unplanned, her killer might have grabbed something available to him. We have been brainstorming with questions. We have no answers.

 

[deugirtni]

Why was a mid-year article written about Audrey's case?

Who killed Audrey Gleave? ‘Horrendous’ Ancaster murder still unsolved

Retired science teacher’s body was found in her garage, with her protective dogs locked in the house.

www.thespec.com

It came within a week of this article:

PressReader.com - Digital Newspaper & Magazine Subscriptions

Digital newsstand featuring 7000+ of the world’s most popular newspapers & magazines. Enjoy unlimited reading on up to 5 devices with 7-day free trial.

www.pressreader.com

Maybe the reporter has the same questions that we do. Thank you for that.

AFAIR, I had completely missed that article about Huys re-sending the DNA.

Why does the name of that reporter (Mac Christie) sound familiar to me?

 

[deugirtni]

Yes, we are all AG has. I’m an only child, perhaps that’s why I’m so avid here for Audrey. I cannot let her down.

This case really bothers me as well. Perhaps because I live not too far, and I had come to know DS somewhat, a few years prior to her murder. It really bugs me that they haven't solved this.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Audrey frequented the Library. Have LE looked into all/any contacts from there? Yes, I’m grasping at straws again.

 

[Gina20]

The article mentioned the possibilities as far as types of DNA which are possible to find, but we don't know which type(s) were found in AG's case (unless I missed that important detail in the article, hopefully not!)... and also, if they have certain types of DNA, whether it is even related to her murder. (ie I'm thinking they could've potentially found 'touch DNA' on something, like say AG's coat button, but it may not have necessarily have been deposited there at the time of the crime... could it have been the week before, etc? - that type of thing)

Which part are you more than a bit disappointed about that it was never mentioned in updates? When *was* the last update? Seems like years ago And possibly any reporters weren't interviewing this Huys person, to even know about it? I think we all assumed there was some kind of potential DNA, since they did take the dogs' blood and hair for testing, and they seemed to say DS was not the perp, based on some kind of results that came back, and according to PK, whatever they have, also did not match PK? Too bad we can't just go and look at all of their files.

DNA being present also does not mean someone killed her. Some DNA from those close to the victim can be explained away. If a frequent guest to the person's murder scene left DNA, that's expected. Of course it would be there.

However, if a frequent guest left touch DNA on a weapon used to kill someone, that would be hard to explain away. Let's say it was a kitchen knife and the person could explain that they'd been in the kitchen making sandwiches the day before. Then it's not very useful.

If someone left touch DNA on Audrey's torn pants, in this crime which has a sexual component, or on any area of her body that is covered by underwear, that would be a problem. Audrey was known to hug people, but touch DNA left inside her clothing, or on those pants on that day, would be useful information.

Also, the interview with the senior forensics officer mentioned that where a murder was committed determines where DNA samples are taken. Let's say someone who never entered Audrey's garage left DNA in Audrey's garage. Did they touch her car's door handle? Did they touch something that was taken in and out of the garage frequently? Useful or not useful?

I believe part of the problem in solving SV's case could be something like that, MOO; speculation.

 

[Gina20]

Audrey frequented the Library. Have LE looked into all/any contacts from there? Yes, I’m grasping at straws again.

The garden centre might be another place. Seasonal workers work in garden centres.

 

[Gina20]

Audrey is on this list of victims:

Femicide roll call: Hamilton-area women and girls killed

These are just some of the faces of slain women and girls from the Hamilton area since the 1980's.

www.thespec.com

 

[Gina20]

I wish there was some way of obtaining old research papers from Audrey's days at Chalk River. Do we know the names of any of her team members? Gamma rays and baryon decay is what I'm interested in. She must have called herself "Baryon" for a reason.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

It’s odd but I’m reading a book right now about Quantum Physics. Every time I read Baryon, I think of her.

 

[FromGermany1]

I wish there was some way of obtaining old research papers from Audrey's days at Chalk River. Do we know the names of any of her team members? Gamma rays and baryon decay is what I'm interested in. She must have called herself "Baryon" for a reason.

I think, you find names with her publications.

 

[FromGermany1]

That article you are quoting above is no longer viable.. but in it, it said the opposite, that she told someone she would NOT be able to attend:

Gleave also met with former Westdale Secondary School colleagues for coffee every Wednesday. She cancelled last Monday, saying she was ill.

The article was published January 5, 2011, so I'm assuming the person meant that AG had cancelled on Monday, December 27th, the very same day that AG had told PK that come hell or high water, she WOULD be attending the coffee group.......... totally weird!

According to PK, he was unaware of that communication between AG and the coffee group member:
@ Hazel (#507 - re AG cancelling coffee) (CANADA - Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #2)
- Wow! I had missed this before but this is really perplexing me… why did she email me to tell me she was going?? (CANADA - Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #2)

The same day (Dec 27th), she visited her friend LV for boxing day.

 

[FromGermany1]

People do sometimes look for themselves when they hear an odd noise. We don't know why she was in the garage, if she took a weapon, what time of day she went there, if someone entered the garage with one, or if they grabbed something to use as a weapon from inside the garage. We're brainstorming. Was a weapon left at the scene? We don't know. Answers to these questions might reveal the nature of this fatal conversation and who killed her. For all we know, it could have been a cake knife.

There was found a little saw (like one for drywalls) in her garden, I remember. Don't know, if it played a role in the murder.

 

[FromGermany1]

I don't think police are looking for more than one perp. In that article, it said 'resent' for mixed DNA testing, but that could mean LE was previously unable to break out any DNA on its own, to reveal a perp. ie the DNA of Audrey herself and the perp may have co-mingled. (ETA: just to clarify, I mean, as opposed to the DNA of two perps comingling)

I was hoping this was a brand new article, but alas, that article, was from July 2020, so just over two years ago. Hopefully they'd have results by now?

I was thinking about sexual assault cases, wherein the DNA of perp and victim may be mixed. But in AG's case, I think, moo, it was blood they were testing..... because.... I recall that interview with the officer who'd taken over the case (several years ago), in which she said there was no hard evidence of sexual assault. I take that to mean, no semen sample left. I also recall that LE took samples of the dogs' hair and blood.... so I wondered if they wanted confirmation that any blood was not mixed with either of the dog's blood. I guess the DNA could've been anything, such as even 'touch DNA'?

They also confiscated her car .....

 

[Sillybilly]

LE did take away the Camaro so have we had any word about what they found or did not find? The silence from LE in this case is making me really upset.

Hey Stone, don't lose faith. Took LE 13 years to charge my stepfather's best friend with arranging his murder. Other than the start of the case when there was MSM, and the initial investigation where LE interviewed family, there was no subsequent MSM and the family knew nothing until the arrest was made .. and we sure didn't suspect his "best friend".

Silence doesn't necessarily equate to nothing happening.