Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #6

[Tortoise]

For one thing the Ramsys did NOT kill their daughter. Blame LE there for not investigating at all. They were punished for being punished. Please read the facts! I hope in this case, we see that KW did not do this.

Oh I've read all the facts, thanks.

 

[A Widow]

I agree Bravo that the murders were done by organized, experienced individuals, and for sure KW is none of these or has friends like this or the $ it would have taken to hire them. It fits more what the author of the book on big pharma said eg someone from out of country with connections and orders to carry it out in a certain way. I think that assaulting HS was a part of that plan. BS' role was to watch. BS appears to have been a no holds barred "business man" who besides business was adept at making enemies.

 

[Ritika]

I still feel the reenactment of the victims' final few hours is in poor taste this soon after the event - but I likely will cave in and stream it soon out of sheer curiosity.

If KW didn't do it (and I don't believe he had the brains to commit what is looking like a perfect crime, in terms of evidence and what we know so far - which of course may not be all TPS knows), nor the cash to hire someone - what is his motivation for courting all this publicity now? Money (from the DM and the Mirror, maybe), hatred of the entire Sherman family and jealousy of the children, and/ or is he just a regular sociopath who enjoys attention?

A theory to ponder:
What if the killers planned this with information from KW? KW and his brothers’ lawsuit was all over the media so everyone knew about it and KW’s desire for revenge. What if the killers paid $$$ KW for his current public claims through the media? Too far fetched? Who knows.

 

[Bravo]

I agree Bravo that the murders were done by organized, experienced individuals, and for sure KW is none of these or has friends like this or the $ it would have taken to hire them. It fits more what the author of the book on big pharma said eg someone from out of country with connections and orders to carry it out in a certain way. I think that assaulting HS was a part of that plan. BS' role was to watch. BS appears to have been a no holds barred "business man" who besides business was adept at making enemies.

Oops I think u misunderstood my post/s. I don't think a Pro hit. Typically a Pro hit killers get in and out. Barry and Honey were led to the pool room. They wouldn't be in the pool room with coats on. I think their murders involved suffering and terror. Somebody wanted to make sure it wasn't quick or easy. Hopefully they find out who. They deserve justice as well as their children.

 

[kay74]

Oh I've read all the facts, thanks.

So have I and the right LE. Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

I'll be tuning in but if any Ninja's or Nanny's come up in conversation I'm out (lol)

[emoji4] or the Clintons, Trudeaus, spell-casting witches, etc., etc. [emoji6]


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[nuff]

A theory to ponder:
What if the killers planned this with information from KW? KW and his brothers’ lawsuit was all over the media so everyone knew about it and KW’s desire for revenge. What if the killers paid $$$ KW for his current public claims through the media? Too far fetched? Who knows.

Now this makes sense to me, farfetched as it is. I suspect KW would be only too happy to make money by facilitating the murders.

 

[nuff]

"I don't know who did it"

KW is contradicting himself all over the place, saying he has no doubt BS did it, and almost in the next breath, he doesn't know who did it.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

I would love to hear what some sort of specialist has to say about his interview. A possible analysis of his verbal and body language and response to questions would be interesting to say the least!

Keeping my fingers crossed that one of our WSers with this training/knowledge watches tonight and shares their insight with us.


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[nuff]

Wondering in what ways HS was known to be "a pain", was she very particular about renovations, design, real estate, neighbours ect.or other things ?
Did she have good relations with the surrogates and others she employed?
imo, speculation.

We know she was very persistent in her efforts to raise money for charities among her social circle, but I think the p.i.a. description was likely tongue-in-cheek, as are many of the quotes in this article.

 

[ilovepierre]

Was there not info that Honey had facial injuries and blood not in pool area? Did this come from LE? or one of "those sources". Some days I skim to catch up. TIA

I heard that too.
Not sure if it came from LE or "a source close to the investigation," though.

 

[Sarahlou]

Wow. Finally managed to catch up with all this case. Fascinating in a horrible way. I was one of the ones who was wrong about the murder suicide, I'm glad that it wasn't that. But what a horrifying situation for them to go through.

The cousin is really putting himself out there.. If he is the murderer then he would be damn stupid to be speaking out like he is.

 

[Tortoise]

I heard that too.
Not sure if it came from LE or "a source close to the investigation," though.

I think it was two 'reports' that have been conflated.

At the beginning sources said Honey may have been killed elsewhere and moved to the pool, and then latterly sources claimed Honey bled face down on the pool deck and was found to be sitting in the blood. But I've never seen a report that said blood was found elsewhere in the house.

 

[dotr]

Re post.
Last Updated: Jan 23, 2018
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...rivate-investigators-believe-source-1.4496686

[h=1]Barry and Honey Sherman were murdered by multiple killers, private investigators believe: source[/h]
[h=3]WARNING: This story contains graphic descriptions that may be disturbing to readers[/h]

Barry, 75, and Honey, 70, were found dead by a real estate agent in the basement of their Toronto mansion on Dec. 15. The source said their bodies were in an upright seated position on the floor near an indoor pool. Police deemed the deaths "suspicious" but have said little else since their investigation began.

The private investigators have found evidence that both Barry and Honey Sherman had their necks wrapped with leather belts that were then knotted around a handrail that runs adjacent to the pool, the source told CBC Toronto

Their wrists showed evidence that they had been, at one point, bound together. No rope or other materials that could have been used to tie their wrists were discovered, the source told CBC Toronto.

Their bodies were otherwise limp and their arms unbound when they were discovered, the source said.

The team of private investigators believes that the Shermans were, in fact, killed on Dec. 13, two days before they were found. This conclusion is based on the fact that Honey was wearing the same clothes she was last seen in, on Dec. 13, according to the source.

Private investigators also believe that Honey struggled with her killer or killers. She had cuts on her lip and nose, and was sitting in a pool of her own blood when she was discovered. However, there was comparatively little blood apparent on her upper-body clothing, suggesting that she had been face-down on the tile, bleeding, for some time before being bound to the handrail in an upright position, the source said.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yep.

His demeanor did kind of change when asked "did you kill the Shermans" (and when he was told he failed the lie detector test)

https://youtu.be/cJ6abt5y9ps

He certainly has made the media circuit.

He even makes a statement with a shirt he is wearing? ( screenshot from above link)

 

[Ritika]

KW is contradicting himself all over the place, saying he has no doubt BS did it, and almost in the next breath, he doesn't know who did it.

Yes he has!

 

[dotr]

Published on Feb 2, 2018
Frank D'Angelo and the panel give their two cents on the ridiculous accusations made by Barry Sherman's cousin in an interview with DailyMailTV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckr9KtxiWlk

 

[Peace777]

Has KW fried his brain from too much coke addiction? He looks a right mess and maybe he's back using? Not sure what to make of what he's saying in interviews. JMO

 

[Peace777]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckr9KtxiWlk

I'd like to know since BS was FD's closest and best good friend did he FD pay back BS all of the over $100M plus other loans (Movie deals) he owed to the Sherman's?

 

[Alice Ramnit]

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He even makes a statement with a shirt he is wearing? ( screenshot from above link)

His girlfriend is a well known Canadian movie Director. It is the title of a Linwood Barclay book that is being made into a movie.