Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #7

[human]

Big Pharma has no reason to kill the Shermans. Barry Sherman hasn't been "involved in day-to-day operations since he stepped down as chief executive officer five years ago."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apotex-barry-sherman-succession-1.4462150

I would think if big pharma did the job, they could disappear them easily. Not cause a big focus on a murder.

 

[Tighthead]

Big Pharma has no reason to kill the Shermans. Barry Sherman hasn't been "involved in day-to-day operations since he stepped down as chief executive officer five years ago."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apotex-barry-sherman-succession-1.4462150

Sherman still went to work every day by all accounts, and worked late as evidenced by his last day.

I’m sure he and his family still controlled the majority of the voting shares and were the beneficial owners of the vast majority of shares. I would be surprised if Apotex had more than one outside director.

With a private company like Apotex, Desai would not have anywhere near the same amount of control as would a counterpart at a public company. I full suspect Barry Sherman still determined the direction of the company, and that Desai had to run significant decisions by him.

In my experience, people who start a business like Sherman did have serious difficulties in ceding control unless family takes over or they sell. Even family is complicated.

 

[JDG]

It seems to me that KW has accomplished his destructive mission to further hurt BS and HS by character assassination and he did so in the most cowardly and disrespectful way after they were already dead and could no longer dispute his claims! KW says that BS hated HS, that BS wanted her murdered – must be true, right? Wrong! Consider the source of these claims (KW) and compare that source to the targets of these horrible accounts (BS/HS). BS and HS in my books were honourable and lived honourable lives whereas KW and DW (not sure of the other cousins) have not demonstrated the same, IMO.

How anyone could give any credence to what KW or the cousins claim now or in the past via legal documents is incredulous to me. I perceive the years of lawsuits by the cousins to be selfish attempts to extort money from BS and to make his and HS's lives a living hell! I think that BS and HS were being shaken down legally and emotionally over an extended period by the cousins’ lawsuits and yet, to their credit, BS/HS refused to be intimidated by them. Good for the Shermans, IMO!

I believe that BS and HS had a long standing and successful marriage that they were equally committed to sustaining into their golden years. Now, not only will they not be able to live out their lives, realize their dreams and enjoy the fruits of their labours, they are being maligned publicly. What a shame! It seems to me only because they were rich and successful and had different personalities that some speculate these facts translate to mean that they were mean-spirited, difficult and unhappy at home. Could it be that they were in fact lovely people, people who gave their time, attention and money to family, friends and community? Could they in fact be the victims of a heinous crime and not deserving of their unfortunate fate? I believe they didn’t deserve to be killed and they don’t deserve to be accused of being involved in one killing the other and I say this based on the facts we know, as per TPS.

My gosh, how heartbreaking it is to see murder victims being so carelessly abused by some who have no idea about the real lives of these good people. Their reputations are being cruelly besmirched after death and that is simply wrong, IMO.

TPS please solve this case ASAP. The Shermans, although murder victims, apparently need vindication!

All MOO

At the moment, I think TPS consider KW to just be 'noise'. They won't let his anger and vitriol take them away from their task of investigating the many enemies BS and HS obviously had. His business dealings alone are probably more involved than we can imagine.

IF they consider him anything other than 'noise', he will be arrested once they have the evidence for a prosecution.

Did you know the Shermans?

 

[MyTye]

OK... I have all all sorts of theories rattling around in my head, but here is one for scrutiny...
Theoretically what if Industrial Espionage was the goal (Professional). Looking for info or planting something in the house or on a computer. They got caught by HS and things when south, They hit her and possibly killed her to make sure they were not identified. Then what? Plan 2? What would that be? Staging a suicide with just HS probably wouldn't be believable. So they decide to kill BS and stage it as a murder suicide. May be not a professional killing but well improvised? A little sloppy and not so pro but perhaps well thought out? Their is some level of sophistication at play. The PI in this article was a former Scotland Yard Detective. http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ter-violent-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-sherman He drew a line as to what he was willing to do and likely never worked with the company again. I would imagine the would just seek out someone else to do their bidding that didn't have an issue with what they may be required to do?

This case is baffling. I so hope that TPS have the evidence they need to prosecute to the fullest extent!

 

[human]

OK... I have all all sorts of theories rattling around in my head, but here is one for scrutiny...
Theoretically what if Industrial Espionage was the goal (Professional). Looking for info or planting something in the house or on a computer. They got caught by HS and things when south, They hit her and possibly killed her to make sure they were not identified. Then what? Plan 2? What would that be? Staging a suicide with just HS probably wouldn't be believable. So they decide to kill BS and stage it as a murder suicide. May be not a professional killing but well improvised? A little sloppy and not so pro but perhaps well thought out? Their is some level of sophistication at play. The PI in this article was a former Scotland Yard Detective. http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ter-violent-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-sherman He drew a line as to what he was willing to do and likely never worked with the company again. I would imagine the would just seek out someone else to do their bidding that didn't have an issue with what they may be required to do?

This case is baffling. I so hope that TPS have the evidence they need to prosecute to the fullest extent!

Wouldn’t info be at the office?

 

[clearskies1]

OK... I have all all sorts of theories rattling around in my head, but here is one for scrutiny...
Theoretically what if Industrial Espionage was the goal (Professional). Looking for info or planting something in the house or on a computer. They got caught by HS and things when south, They hit her and possibly killed her to make sure they were not identified. Then what? Plan 2? What would that be? Staging a suicide with just HS probably wouldn't be believable. So they decide to kill BS and stage it as a murder suicide. May be not a professional killing but well improvised? A little sloppy and not so pro but perhaps well thought out? Their is some level of sophistication at play. The PI in this article was a former Scotland Yard Detective. http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ter-violent-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-sherman He drew a line as to what he was willing to do and likely never worked with the company again. I would imagine the would just seek out someone else to do their bidding that didn't have an issue with what they may be required to do?

This case is baffling. I so hope that TPS have the evidence they need to prosecute to the fullest extent!

I had posted a similar theory awhile back that someone was caught doing something untoward in the house (possibly stealing), panicked and killed one, then the other, and then tried to make it look like a double suicide. Several posters rejected that theory based on LE saying they believe the Shermans were targeted, and based on the possible long time gap btwn HS and BS arriving home. Personally, I still think my theory is viable but I know already that many do not.

 

[MyTye]

Wouldn’t info be at the office?

I was thinking for personal info that they may feel they could use against him. I am sure business info was well guarded at the Apotex HQ. In the article they seemed to be seeking out something personal to embarrass BS out of the picture.

 

[human]

I would really like to know why that night. Why then of all times. If it was info they were looking for, why not wait until they are gone?

The house is going to be shown.

 

[MyTye]

I had posted a similar theory awhile back that someone was caught doing something untoward in the house (possibly stealing), panicked and killed one, then the other, and then tried to make it look like a double suicide. Several posters rejected that theory based on LE saying they believe the Shermans were targeted, and based on the possible long time gap btwn HS and BS arriving home. Personally, I still think my theory is viable but I know already that many do not.

I have a similar theory but haven't been brave enough to share it yet. LOL

 

[hudunit]

Go ahead ... we have all put our theories put ours out there and many are not popular...but hey.. go for it..

 

[MyTye]

I would really like to know why that night. Why then of all times. If it was info they were looking for, why not wait until they are gone?

The house is going to be shown.

Ah yes. With them on their vacation it would be the best time to go in. If they were good at gathering intel, they would know. Perhaps they didn't know?

As for the showing, I doubt with a property like that, anyone would be left alone to snoop. At least I would hope not!

I realize the theory is questionable but I haven't heard one that I didn't have reservations about. Even my own LOL

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I'm new to this thread and very interested.
2 questions:
Who wanted to humiliate the Shermans and their family with the way the couple was found?
Who wanted to complicate the sale of the million-dollar home by the double murder?

If we would know ....

 

[brightii]

At the moment, I think TPS consider KW to just be 'noise'. They won't let his anger and vitriol take them away from their task of investigating the many enemies BS and HS obviously had. His business dealings alone are probably more involved than we can imagine.


IF they consider him anything other than 'noise', he will be arrested once they have the evidence for a prosecution.


Did you know the Shermans?

I don't know what LE make of KW but I hope they are investigating him as a possible suspect and not dismissing him as "noise" alone. IMO, that would be a grave mistake.


I did not know the Shermans, but I see them as innocent victims, plain and simple.


The thing is about having enemies is that some people may presume that it means one deserves to have enemies, an idea to which I don't ascribe. You have little control over who decides that they are your enemy and you theirs, IMO. People are at odds with others for a variety of reasons but sometimes the people who see you as their enemy are jealous of you or threatened by you for some unjust reason that you cannot always know or change if you are aware of why, IMO.

BS was known to be protective like a guard dog about his business and its related interests and he actively pursued lawsuits to further his interests. I make no judgment one way or another about these matters and certainly don’t think anyone could justify murdering him because he was litigious. There are always two sides to these lawsuits and its up to courts to determine the outcomes. I cannot fault BS for asserting himself in business, IMO.

I have stated in another post earlier, I have known someone like KW and it was scary, IMO. I know for a fact that this person considers me to be an enemy when I simply want no involvement. Facts are distorted, and history rewritten by this person. Never have I done anything to harm this person and yet in the person’s mind, I have.

I have no control over another’s person’s thinking. All I can do is keep my distance and hope I will be left to live in peace. Sometimes severe mental illnesses and/or personality disorders can play a role in someone conjuring up enemies but that doesn’t mean you’ve done anything wrong to attract vindictive and unbalanced people to your life, IMO.


I know BS and HS may have had enemies but it’s unfair IMO to interpret that fact as necessarily being their fault, (not that you are, JDG!), although these enemies must all be looked at by LE as possible suspects and I think that is only prudent, IMO.


ALL MOO.

 

[Sphinx]

I would think the percentage of gun-related killings would be higher for contract killings than for other types of killings. I think that would apply in both the U.S and Canada. That is my gut feeling but don't know for sure.

Well, I just had the thought that if the killers were from out of the country, and were leaving by airplane, they could not carry guns, because of metal detectors, so they would have to get rid of them, even it they were supplied to them here. It is just one more thing that could provide bullets, and other evidence that could be traced, so maybe it was much better for them to use neck compression as a method of killing, and I suspect that as professionals, they had been trained very well in how to do it quickly, and efficiently.

It also seems to me that they were ordered to display the bodies hanging. It is possible that someone wanted Barry to see Honey hanging as the last thing he saw, horrible as that sounds. Imagine the horror, if he was forced to walk into that pool room, by being strong-armed by one or two men who had just pulled his coat down, quickly zip-tied his wrists behind him, and maybe were holding a knife on him. Someone really wanted them to suffer just before they died in great fear, if that is the case. I think they also wanted to send a message to some others, possibly including the Sherman children, that this could happen to them. Just what the Shermans did to cause such wrath, I am not sure, but there definitely was an extremely intimidating message being sent in their method, and manner of death. IMO

 

[AllyJane]

I would really like to know why that night. Why then of all times. If it was info they were looking for, why not wait until they are gone?

The house is going to be shown.

And they would be in Florida soon as well with the house empty.

 

[MyTye]

Go ahead ... we have all put our theories put ours out there and many are not popular...but hey.. go for it..

OK here is another one to scrutinize...

Perhaps Apotex was moving into the Pot Biz. Organized crime were not happy with a big pharma moving in on their profits and wanted to give BS an incentive to stay away. They nab HS and held her till BS gets home and the subdue him and try to convince him to re-think his business plans. He digs in and as he seems to always do, and threatens them. They beat her to make him suffer, and re-think again. BS doesn't back down and they loose their cool and Kill them both. This is further down my list because why would they stage it as a murder suicide? Why get rid of the ties for the hands? Why Belts? Once organized crime decides they want to eliminate someone, the generally don't care to stage anything... Perhaps this is a hybrid of big pharma and organized crime that have learned from each other??? I doubt it but may be?

 

[kiwi50]

I would love to know the reason Jeremy DeSai resigned when he did.
He appeared to be Barry’s protege.
I’m sure BS must have been aware of whom JD was sleeping with.
He still had his finger on the pulse at Apotex and must have known where all the good information was coming from.

 

[clearskies1]

I would love to know the reason Jeremy DeSai resigned when he did.
He appeared to be Barry’s protege.
I’m sure BS must have been aware of whom JD was sleeping with.
He still had his finger on the pulse at Apotex and must have known where all the good information was coming from.

Maybe with BS gone there was no one left supporting him at Apotex? JMO.

 

[hudunit]

Maybe with BS gone there was no one left supporting him at Apotex? JMO.

I think the company is vulnerable

 

[MyTye]

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Good points. New to WS and trying to learn... Perhaps I am to dated and naive to understand the fast paced illicit and legal drug biz. LOL. Thanks for being kind in your scrutiny