Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #7

[BeKind_BeWell]

Speaking of takeovers, take a look at Teva's impressive timeline and acquisitions across the globe.

http://www.tevapharm.com/about/history/

 

[ldlager]

You can believe the case is settled but until/unless there is an announcement, it isn't a moot point, is it?

Its a moot point when it is settled, irrespective of when it is announced.

 

[ldlager]

http://www.macleans.ca/news/barry-s...th-his-cousins-goes-on-weeks-after-his-death/

 

[Hazel]

Im quite sure BS knew who JD was sleeping with, it was to his advantage to keep it that way.

Once Teva were on to them, 'someone' wanted JD out. Too much of a liability.

JD is probably also on the TPS list as well as his girlfriend. IE is a crime too.

What does IE stand for? I'm sure it's not Internet Explorer, lol.

Would the kids still be on LE's "list"? I would assume they have been ruled out by now.

I believe all 4 have a "significant other" whether married, soon-to-be-married or in an open relationship.

 

[gregjrichards]

http://www.macleans.ca/news/barry-s...th-his-cousins-goes-on-weeks-after-his-death/

You have to wonder if they actually have any money to pay the judgement or if it’s simply about the Sherman’s taking a stand against them.

 

[gregjrichards]

What does IE stand for? I'm sure it's not Internet Explorer, lol.

Would the kids still be on LE's "list"? I would assume they have been ruled out by now.

I believe all 4 have a "significant other" whether married, soon-to-be-married or in an open relationship.

I believe I E means industrial espionage.

 

[Hazel]

Regarding MS or MM. LE announced their belief that this was a MM after the following occurred:
1) LE spent about 6 weeks gathering evidence at the Sherman’s house. Much of the evidence had not and still has not yet been analyzed, and many other investigative actions have not yet been completed by LE.
2) The PI’s and Greenspan used MSM extensively to promote their position that this was a MM. Friends and family of the couple agreed and indicated this could never be a MS, and of course it was a MM.
3) The mayor of Toronto, who is the head of the Police Services Board (the oversight body of the TPS) contacted the chief and other senior members of the TPS to discuss this case; and to evidently relay concerns that had been raised by the family regarding police/family communications. The family was evidently and understandably upset that the original MSM articles indicated this was being investigated as a MS, and LE had not, for many weeks, made any formal statement to dispel the MS stories that had appeared in MSM.

I will leave it to all WS posters to assess the relative importance of each of the above factors in LE finally announcing their belief that this was a MM.
All MOO.

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[Sphinx]

TPS says its a double homicide. Both victims were targeted.

I wonder what evidence LE has to say so definitely that they were both targeted ? Do they have video footage of a car following both of them on the route home from Apotex on the evening of Dec. 13 th ? There must have been footage from different homes and commercial enterprises along their route. It reminds me of the Tim Bosma murder case, where LE gathered vital video from a variety of sources that showed Tim's truck being followed on the night he was killed. It is possible that the killers wore hoodies or something to obscure pictures of their faces. I think they knew what they were doing, as a professional hit team ; they likely had studied the route, and knew when they would be on film. There also had to be many homes along the way that had video surveillance. I hope that after 2 days it would still be available, and not recorded over. IMO

 

[Grey-St]

Has the coroner said anything about the manner of death in the Sherman case --suicide, homicide, undetermined, pending etc?

The coroner doesn't speak to the public, but obviously LE's announcement that this is a double-homicide is congruent with the coroners findings.

 

[Grey-St]

I wonder what evidence LE has to say so definitely that they were both targeted ? Do they have video footage of a car following both of them on the route home from Apotex on the evening of Dec. 13 th ? There must have been footage from different homes and commercial enterprises along their route. It reminds me of the Tim Bosma murder case, where LE gathered vital video from a variety of sources that showed Tim's truck being followed on the night he was killed. It is possible that the killers wore hoodies or something to obscure pictures of their faces. I think they knew what they were doing, as a professional hit team ; they likely had studied the route, and knew when they would be on film. There also had to be many homes along the way that had video surveillance. I hope that after 2 days it would still be available, and not recorded over. IMO

I suspect they have something to go on. Not sure about someone following them, but possibly video of someone or people approaching the property and leaving the property. LE gathered a ton of surveillance footage. Maybe they can't identify the individual(s), but maybe they have something.

 

[kiwi50]

KWs hatred of the Shermans has probably peaked in 2017.
After 11 years fighting he loses the case in Sept 2017.
Then to rub salt in the wounds he is ordered to pay $300,000 days before their deaths.
Wonder what his reaction is now that BS’s estate wants nearly one million dollars

 

[Hazel]

February 8, 2018

Berman, the Apotex spokesman, said he won’t discuss ongoing litigation “out of respect for the judicial process.”

Teplitsky also declined to comment on the appeal. However, he did tell Maclean’s that as of last week he no longer represents Kerry Winter. Teplitsky would not elaborate on why Winter is no longer a client; he would only say that he continues to act for Winter’s brother, Paul Barkin, and the estate of Dana Barkin, who died in 1995. Jeffrey Barkin, the fourth cousin, is self-represented.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/barry-s...th-his-cousins-goes-on-weeks-after-his-death/

 

[human]

It is possible with KW that the hatred grew more and more intense.

He figured he would have had the good life if BS had not cheated him.

This might have been the straw

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

It is possible with KW that the hatred grew more and more intense.

He figured he would have had the good life if BS had not cheated him.

This might have been the straw

Lol, unless that straw was worked and weaved on for months, like a basket or puzzle!
Who knows!
MOO

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[Grey-St]

Teplitsky is no longer representing KW, but continues to represent his brothers. This is interesting. I suspect it has something to do with KW's conduct in recent weeks, but could it be something else?

 

[ldlager]

Teplitsky is no longer representing KW, but continues to represent his brothers. This is interesting. I suspect it has something to do with KW's conduct in recent weeks, but could it be something else?

I guess it’s possible that KW has removed himself from the appeal action (probably unlikely but who knows), or wasn’t happy with Mr. Teplitsky’s work and has found a new lawyer. But I suspect your inference is correct, and that Mr. Teplitsky initiated the termination of his representation of KW (Grey-St I’m not trying to put words in your mouth, but I assume that is what you mean).

 

[minorone]

Teplitsky is no longer representing KW, but continues to represent his brothers. This is interesting. I suspect it has something to do with KW's conduct in recent weeks, but could it be something else?

KW probably has to vacate the house he was renting from BS as well.

Obviously the Winters still owe all the judgment monies to BS and I would imagine there is interest included in the judgment. I would imagine that BS's estate realistic could not recover any of these funds, the only way would be to garnishee KW's salary as a means to collect the $$$. I do not think that amount of $$$ would ever be totally recovered.

 

[dotr]

KWs hatred of the Shermans has probably peaked in 2017.
After 11 years fighting he loses the case in Sept 2017.
Then to rub salt in the wounds he is ordered to pay $300,000 days before their deaths.
Wonder what his reaction is now that BS’s estate wants nearly one million dollars

Rbbm.
His reaction might be to say all sorts of incendiary things on TV, radio and in newspapers, then hope for book, film and other hopefully lucrative offers to come his way.
complete speculation, imo.

 

[1&2&3]

Regarding MS or MM. LE announced their belief that this was a MM after the following occurred:
1) LE spent about 6 weeks gathering evidence at the Sherman’s house. Much of the evidence had not and still has not yet been analyzed, and many other investigative actions have not yet been completed by LE.
2) The PI’s and Greenspan used MSM extensively to promote their position that this was a MM. Friends and family of the couple agreed and indicated this could never be a MS, and of course it was a MM.
3) The mayor of Toronto, who is the head of the Police Services Board (the oversight body of the TPS) contacted the chief and other senior members of the TPS to discuss this case; and to evidently relay concerns that had been raised by the family regarding police/family communications. The family was evidently and understandably upset that the original MSM articles indicated this was being investigated as a MS, and LE had not, for many weeks, made any formal statement to dispel the MS stories that had appeared in MSM.

I will leave it to all WS posters to assess the relative importance of each of the above factors in LE finally announcing their belief that this was a MM.
All MOO.

As many of us know from other cases that involved wealthy people, the city, county, state representatives have a direct ear to hear what they are saying and have the pull to make the changes happen.

The first two things that jump into my mind over claiming that HS and BS was a murder suicide is the adult children know their parents very well and don’t see this as a possibility. As shrewd a business man that BS was, he would know there would be questions and doubts of payouts on ͏Li͏f͏e insurance policies. I imagine the policies were extremely high and he would not deny this money to his children.

The second thought is the Sherman’s were a highly respected and philanthropist couple. While BS may have had many disgruntled business dealings, that did not take away from their society standing or the help they gave to others. Why tarnish their legacy with a Suicide/Murder? TPD needed to do an investigation into this high power couple and not speak too quickly! To me, it seemed they called it too quickly, as if it was a job they could get out of spending a lot of time on. JMO! One of the adult children may have mentioned the life insurance policies and it didn’t pay on suicide. I think any of us would do the same thing in a situation like this. There was mucho money at stake, plus the intuition of four children. I think they did the correct thing by hiring a PI.

It reminds me of the Coronado case where Rebecca Zahau was left lying dead out in the sunshine yard for about 10-12 hours. A wealthy man was involved in this case. The police department-did a half arse investigation! It was ruled suicide but was most definitely murder. The wealthy man was working behind the scenes.

My opinions only.

 

[clearskies1]

As many of us know from other cases that involved wealthy people, the city, county, state representatives have a direct ear to hear what they are saying and have the pull to make the changes happen.

The first two things that jump into my mind over claiming that HS and BS was a murder suicide is the adult children know their parents very well and don’t see this as a possibility. As shrewd a business man that BS was, he would know there would be questions and doubts of payouts on ͏Li͏f͏e insurance policies. I imagine the policies were extremely high and he would not deny this money to his children.

The second thought is the Sherman’s were a highly respected and philanthropist couple. While BS may have had many disgruntled business dealings, that did not take away from their society standing or the help they gave to others. Why tarnish their legacy with a Suicide/Murder? TPD needed to do an investigation into this high power couple and not speak too quickly! To me, it seemed they called it too quickly, as if it was a job they could get out of spending a lot of time on. JMO! One of the adult children may have mentioned the life insurance policies and it didn’t pay on suicide. I think any of us would do the same thing in a situation like this. There was mucho money at stake, plus the intuition of four children. I think they did the correct thing by hiring a PI.

It reminds me of the Coronado case where Rebecca Zahau was left lying dead out in the sunshine yard for about 10-12 hours. A wealthy man was involved in this case. The police department-did a half arse investigation! It was ruled suicide but was most definitely murder. The wealthy man was working behind the scenes.

My opinions only.

I don't think this was a murder-suicide but since he was so incredibly wealthy, I don't think BS would be very concerned about a life insurance payout to his grown children. Also, people who commit murder suicides probably are in a highly agitated state and so I don't think there would be much concern for social standing.