Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #7

[Lexiintoronto]

Since we are on the topics of homes relating to the Sherman’s; did you know that Sherman in fact owned the home his ex-CEO JD lived in with his wife K? Paid $3.15 million for it over a decade ago or in the early 2000’s and is apparently located in the vicinity of Old Colony Rd.
The ex-CEO JD apparently still did not own this when he resigned this past January. I wonder if he has ever made any payments towards it?
It was an interest free mortgage extended by BS as an IOU of sorts.
The problem with this is that in the end when JD left his CEO position (rather abruptly) this past January [on the same day Det. Gomes accounted the targeted double murder], the ex-CEO’s home still wasn’t paid off and it still belonged to BS as an IOU.
Both the ex-CEO and his wife worked at the same company. Both had PhD’s I believe. You would think they would have gotten their own mortgage at the bank and not an IOU through BS?
It seems like a nice gesture at first, but it seems complicated and messy now.
It almost can feel like a bribe by your boss.
Seems odd to me.
The ex-CEO’s home is worth probably $6 million now.
Problem is, it means nothing if you are not registered on the house deed and your now deceased ex-employer is.



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RBBM

I agree with you, miele.m, that it seems that BS was holding JD with some strings to the home. The reports make it seem as though BS just held the mortgage.

JD owns the home with his wife and has never paid a mortgage payment or interest, while the home's equity increases.

...but at the same time I'd imagine there might be clauses in the mortgage that might be in BS's best interest if their relationship soured.

The two men clearly enjoyed a close relationship. In fact, it was Sherman who personally provided a $3.15-million mortgage—at zero interest, with no payment schedule—for the upscale Toronto home that Desai and his wife, Kalpna, purchased when they first moved to Canada. When the Shermans were killed, the full mortgage remained outstanding.

http://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/03/...ns-drug-company-fights-back-pillow-talk-suit/


ETA: with all the conflicting reports in the media, the ownership of the home may also be incorrect.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I agree, that doesn’t seem right.
Another independent 3rd party should have been hired by the province to do a third autopsy.

This to me seems like a conflict of interest.
The public may have one conclusion and the family and TPS may have the real conclusion.

It’s now seeming not 100% on the up and up.
It’s appearing this way anyway.

If this continues to stay cold for a long time, then we know we don’t have the real story.







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Or why didn't the 2nd pathologist contact the 1st pathologist? Immediately? Especially if the 2nd autopsy finds that BS was murdered.

 

[1&2&3]

Are court records of the suits between BS and the contractors on his house available to the public? Could we see exactly what took place and why so many suits were filed? Perhaps one of our knowledgeable sleuthers could find this as I am not good at tracking things down?

One factor that comes to mind is did BS hire inferior contractors who were not qualified to build the quality home he desired?

 

[ldlager]

You say things with such absolutes to conveniently fit your theory. Not all seniors "don't like to move". You don't know that, or these individuals, at all.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it really just seems to me that when a case goes quiet for a bit, folks feel the need to dig up preposterous theories that LE has already dismissed. This has been deemed a double homicide, after a lengthy investigation, likely for good reason.

Or was this deemed a double homicide because professionals were hired by the family to investigate the deaths, and the results of their investigation were leaked to the press?

 

[miele.m]

Or why didn't the 2nd pathologist contact the 1st pathologist? Immediately? Especially if the 2nd autopsy finds that BS was murdered.

Great Point. Why ignore the first pathologist and dismiss their findings?
Why not work together?




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[JayFriend]

Does anyone know why there hasn’t been a large reward offered by the family to anyone that could come forward with very valuable information that could lead to the identity and arrest of the suspects?


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TPS would not offer a reward unless they were desperate and all out of clues, which I seriously doubt. The family could certainly afford to offer a large reward, but I'm sure after the leaked murder/suicide theory debacle, TPS has been keeping them in the loop and they know the police have lots to work with. My feeling is that the apparent lull is news is that they have nothing they can disclose without compromising the investigation. This is very serious, involving billionaires, corporations, maybe international intrigue.

 

[miele.m]

RBBM

I agree with you, miele.m, that it seems that BS was holding JD with some strings to the home. The reports make it seem as though BS just held the mortgage.

JD owns the home with his wife and has never paid a mortgage payment or interest, while the home's equity increases.

...but at the same time I'd imagine there might be clauses in the mortgage that might be in BS's best interest if their relationship soured.



http://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/03/...ns-drug-company-fights-back-pillow-talk-suit/


ETA: with all the conflicting reports in the media, the ownership of the home may also be incorrect.

Agreed. We don’t know exactly whose name is on title of the house of JD and KD. No mortgage payment and no interest....... would seem like BS would have his name on it? Or is there another way around it that would put BS in control should things sour but keep the deed of house in
JD/KD’s name? What kind of legal set up was his ex-CEO’s house with BS?

If you look at BS’s history, for example, you will note that he used IOU’s. With his cousins I believe he had issued all IOU’s for the cousins homes where he had lent them money and then seized them later. Would this not mean the person on title of these properties was BS?
Or was/is there another way to seize back these properties even if the cousins name is on the title? Via like a lender agreement like a bank?
He eventually did take them all back from his cousins and they removed from the properties as owners when things went sour/defaulted on loans etc . I don’t know how he legally had the power to do this, perhaps as the lender like a bank can?




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[human]

Are court records of the suits between BS and the contractors on his house available to the public? Could we see exactly what took place and why so many suits were filed? Perhaps one of our knowledgeable sleuthers could find this as I am not good at tracking things down?

One factor that comes to mind is did BS hire inferior contractors who were not qualified to build the quality home he desired?

The lawsuits were posted on here earlier. I don’t know where. Search terms?

 

[Twinkle]

Anyone post this? https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...lop-pot-pill-for-medical-marijuana-users.html

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[casesensitive]

From the Star: https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/ca...lice-probed-at-first-not-barry-and-honey.html


If true, the above is confusing to me. The official provincial coroner did the first autopsy and is expected to make a ruling on the manner and cause of death.

How can the police be influenced by an independent second autopsy without being able to confirm the findings? What does the official coroner have to say about this?

I think that the first pathologist would have to agree with the second autopsy results for LE to accept the murder finding. Specifically, there must be proof that both Shermans wrists showed signs that they had been bound, and this has now been agreed on by both pathologists. Since no binding was found at the crime scene, the obvious conclusion is both were murdered.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I had a contractor that damaged my previous home during a renovation. It costed more than three times the original quote to fix the damage and complete the job that was originally planned.

Maybe that also happened in the Sherman case with their home? Maybe they had another contractor complete the home and repair the deficiencies.

It would be very interesting to know, how many of the constructors and which exactly went bankrupt because of BS's complaints .....

 

[human]

It would be very interesting to know, how many of the constructors and which exactly went bankrupt because of BS's complaints .....

There was a discussion on this earlier and if I remember correctly, all businesses seemed to be thriving,

 

[Grey-St]

Great Point. Why ignore the first pathologist and dismiss their findings?
Why not work together?




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In all honesty, we don't know what the findings of the first pathologist were, beyond COD. We don't know if the second pathologist ignored or dismissed anything. I think it would be inappropriate for them to work together. These are professionals, who independently come to their own conclusions.

I also don't believe there was a conflict of interest here, which was mentioned earlier. This is heavily considered when choosing people to work on a case, hopefully on both sides. I would think that no one working this case has a connection to the family. If anything, the provincial pathologist may be more partial to lean towards a possible police theory, but even that would be incredibly unprofessional. Pathologists shouldn't know of any theories. They are there to simply analyze the bodies, and provide their own information.

 

[andreww]

I agree, that doesn’t seem right.
Another independent 3rd party should have been hired by the province to do a third autopsy.

This to me seems like a conflict of interest.
The public may have one conclusion and the family and TPS may have the real conclusion.

It’s now seeming not 100% on the up and up.
It’s appearing this way anyway.

If this continues to stay cold for a long time, then we know we don’t have the real story.







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Well I'm pretty certain we don't have anything close to the real story. We've had no police updates, no requests for witnesses or tips, no rewards offered, nothing. Something tells me that a year from now we'll be exactly where we are today.

 

[ldlager]

Well I'm pretty certain we don't have anything close to the real story. We've had no police updates, no requests for witnesses or tips, no rewards offered, nothing. Something tells me that a year from now we'll be exactly where we are today.

Not quite- hopefully we will all be a year older! Lol:happydance:

 

[WINDSOR]

Are court records of the suits between BS and the contractors on his house available to the public? Could we see exactly what took place and why so many suits were filed? Perhaps one of our knowledgeable sleuthers could find this as I am not good at tracking things down?

One factor that comes to mind is did BS hire inferior contractors who were not qualified to build the quality home he desired?

I believe that BS had an architect supervising the whole build, which is one way the owner ensures the construction is done properly. However if I remember correctly, Sherman also sued the architect and won.

 

[dotr]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...sherman-sued-builders-of-north-york-home.html
Dec 19 2017
Tamar Harriss

[h=1]Barry and Honey Sherman sued builders of North York home[/h]After litigation against the house’s designers and builders, the Shermans recouped $2 million of the contracted amount to construct the home, according to a 2006 judgment.

They went on to sue at least five of the people and companies involved in the home’s design and construction, including Jack Winston Designs, Thomas Marzotto Architects and Ewing Construction.

All but two settled.

The remaining two defendants, 21 Degrees Heating and Air Conditioning and Walter Kenyon of Walter Kenyon Designs, had designed the home’s heating and air conditioning system.

The Shermans sued 21 Degrees and Kenyon for negligence related to the design of the HVAC system, and 21 Degrees for breach of contract.

“Barry and Honey Sherman sued my clients, as well as many, many others and from my recollection, they settled with many of the defendants,” Drudi told the Star on Monday.

In their statement of claim, the Shermans asked for $500,000 in undefined damages for breach of contract or negligence from 21 Degrees and Kenyon. By the end of the trial, they sought nearly $34,000 in special damages and general damages of an unspecified amount.

 

[WINDSOR]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...sherman-sued-builders-of-north-york-home.html
Dec 19 2017
Tamar Harriss

Just a general thought, with Barry's litigious nature, where he appears to have sued everybody who had done business with him. I wonder if it was getting to point where people and businesses were reluctant to work with him?

Any business out there who worked for Barry, and says that he was fair with them? Curious.

 

[dotr]

March 27 2018
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...ry-and-honey-sherman-murder-probe-police.html

‘Covert’ tactics, more search warrants may be coming in Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe: Police

Toronto Police probing the Barry and Honey Sherman case are planning more search warrants and may use “covert” means to track down the killer or killers.

“At this stage of the investigation, while witnesses are still being interviewed, a witness might on his or her own reveal a detail that police come to realize has never been publicly disclosed,” Yim said. The police state they are also concerned that, if the sealed material detailing the investigation to date is released, it “could contaminate subsequent witness statments … by enabling a witness to provide an account of events that coheres with other evidence known to them.”

The Star argued that the “perpetrator(s)” likely already knew what would needed to be done to frustrate the police. Similarly, police said they were worried that, if the public were told who had been interviewed, this would allow the “perpetrator (s)” to approach people who have not been interviewed “with a view to influencing their participation in the investigation.”

Near the end of his affidavit, detective Yim raises the concern of the safety of witnesses.

“Given the violent nature of the crime under investigation, the identification of witnesses raises potential concerns about witness safety. I do not mean to imply that I have knowledge of any specific safety risks,” Yim stated. “I am merely making this connection from the apparently premeditated nature of the homicides being investigated.”

rbbm.

 

[JDG]

I didn't take anything out of context. Seniors simply don't like to move, whether it be to a smaller or larger place. Certainly, if murder/suicide is still on the table, the move could have been a source of friction between the couple and may have lead to this tragic event.

Clearly, murder/suicide is no longer on the table as LE has declared this to be a targeted, double murder.

Very broad statements such as 'seniors simply don't like to move' are, IMO erroneous by their very nature.

We are all different, young and older, some people move every few years, some don't move for decades.

As for tossing all opinions out there for sleuthing, I think thats a great idea, so long as everyones ideas and opinions are valid. If one is trying to play devils advocate, possibly one could state that so that things that ARE taken out of context do not seem to be so. Just an idea.

Nope, this is a very difficult and complex double murder. I think we will hear of progress but not for awhile yet.

Everything in this murder was done for a purpose, IMO and the business side alone could take a couple of years. There are a lot of people who do not wish to assist the police obviously, ergo the need for more warrants and covert tactics.