Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #7

[hudunit]

not sure what I meant...what he did was legal but....

 

[human]

Lots of different kids inherit their famiies money and then blow it.

Barry made the company successful and kept it successful. Just because he purchased the company means nothing. It was his ability that made it work.

Are we to believe he sold the company so,he did not have to give the cousins jobs or part of the earnings?

It sounds like Barry put himself out there for lots of people that never produced. The scam artist for one. Why would he purposely deny his cousins if he is willing to do farfetched ideas?

 

[JDG]

Nothing has been confirmed....all rumours.LE will neither confirm nor deny because it could give away clues.The outdoor coats was not confirmed and neither were the boots.....only in the Frank news article and the private autopsy aluded to possibility of hands being tied.Gloves with elastics leave marks on the wrists....Many things were implied but not confirmed nor denied.How many intruders lock the doors when they leave.

Jan. 26, 2018 CBC

Toronto Police stated that Barry and Honey Sherman were 'targeted' murders.

Were found by pool area wearing coats pulled down over the shoulders.

Hanging by belts from railing by pool, in semi sitting position.

No forced entry to the home.

All confirmed, and more, by the lead investigator from TPS. Just the facts....as of Jan. 26

This presser was in all of MSM but I quoted from the CBC

 

[JDG]

Barry(Bernard)Sherman cheated the cousins who were quite young at the time out of their business.He was quite proud of this fact that he was able to fool the trustees because of the different name.He was able to build it up to a huge business,but he still screwed the cousins probably quite legally but not morally.

The Winter boys were just children when their parents died. In Ontario, children cannot own/manage businesses or real estate. Thats why the Winters had chosen the trust company to see to their affairs and look after the best interests of their children. At least thats what I presume.

As the businesses started to lose money, Barry tried to buy them and was told 'no'. When they continued to lose money, he went back and told the trust company that if they whittled away the inheritance the Winter boys would be able to sue as adults. Thats when the trust company sold the assets to Barry and his friend.

After a few/couple of years, they sold it off and went their own ways. B.S. started Apotex shortly thereafter.

BS used the legal system to his every advantage, no doubt about it. If there is a loophole, why not jump through it? Most people do, esp if money is involved.

All one can do about that is close the loopholes. What is legal is often not moral, thats why Justice is blind.

 

[human]

I am confused. Barry made the success. Why is it immoral that he sold the company that would have gone down the tubes without his ability?

 

[ldlager]

Nothing has been confirmed....all rumours.LE will neither confirm nor deny because it could give away clues.The outdoor coats was not confirmed and neither were the boots.....only in the Frank news article and the private autopsy aluded to possibility of hands being tied.Gloves with elastics leave marks on the wrists....Many things were implied but not confirmed nor denied.How many intruders lock the doors when they leave.

AFAIK there has been no confirmation that the doors were locked when the realtor arrived and the bodies were discovered. From what I recall, the realtor couldn’t reach the Sherman’s so they went to the house. In any event, the house staff evidently were thought to be in the house in the interim. If the doors were locked, they could have done it.

 

[Kerry Winter]

I sued him for 20% of Apotex Inc,

 

[Grey-St]

There are 2 things that stand out to me.One is the belts...belts are available for quick last minute decisions.Many people commit suicide with belts because they are available.Most murderers do not plan to kill with belts...guns and other things but not belts.I still think that Mr Barry Sherman tried to cover up a M/S with something that was readily available in the house.He may not have had any rope...but everyone has belts and that is what he used.Another is the fact that Honey had not changed her clothes since she came home.Every woman I know changes into someting comfortable when she gets home.It is like she was planning to go out later or stewing at home waiting to confront him when he arrived.Just my gut feeling but somethingwas not right between them that night which led to a confrontation where he lost it.

She was likely attacked upon arrival home, as he likely was too. Who ever did this could have easily known that belts don't seem like a typical murder weapon, and resonates more with suicide. It could have been part of their strategy.

 

[Grey-St]

I find it unbelievable that that the first autopsy in such a high profile case would have missed evidence of wrist restraints.

They may not have missed it. They aren't obligated to state every detail of the autopsy to the public, just COD and MOD, or undecided.

 

[JayFriend]

I find it unbelievable that that the first autopsy in such a high profile case would have missed evidence of wrist restraints.

We don't know that was missed, just not released to the public. Probably because it didn't fit LE's original murder-suicide theory.

 

[human]

I sued him for 20% of Apotex Inc,

Why did Barry hate Honey so much?

 

[Kerry Winter]

Barry didn’t buy a small floundering drug company. When my father passed, his group of co’s was the largest generic drug manufacturer in Canada with over a million dollar in sales in 1965.
He played the family card and offered the Royal Trust Co. an option to me and my brothers, which he never intended to honour.
All the billions my cousin made never brought him happiness. He screwed a lot of people and made many enemies. But in the end, he went mad/crazy. I sat across from him during an examination for discovery last year and he was clearly losing his mind. Maybe....the money was cursed, because he stole from orphans. Behind every great fortune is a great crime!

 

[Kerry Winter]

Why did Barry hate Honey so much? Well, you’d have to known her. According to Barry, she was “mean spirited”. Her 3 daughter’s were estranged for years from her. With all her diamond jewelry and Jewish high society here in Toronto, she had no class. They say you can take the girl out of the trailer park but you can’t take the trailer park out of the girl.
Honey was a classless, vulgar, pushy, rude nasty *****.
Bottom line: l witnessed her being very demeaning and provocative towards Barry. She loved to push his buttons and taunt him about being a workaholic.

 

[ldlager]

Why did Barry hate Honey so much? Well, you’d have to known her. According to Barry, she was “mean spirited”. Her 3 daughter’s were estranged for years from her. With all her diamond jewelry and Jewish high society here in Toronto, she had no class. They say you can take the girl out of the trailer park but you can’t take the trailer park out of the girl.
Honey was a classless, vulgar, pushy, rude nasty *****.
Bottom line: l witnessed her being very demeaning and provocative towards Barry. She loved to push his buttons and taunt him about being a workaholic.

Well, he was a workaholic. Or should I say he loved his work. Whether it was making money, or the thrill or need to win, or Just the love of business, Barry lived to work. Maybe also because he didnt want to be at home with Honey. That part I don’t know. But none of those things make him a murderer.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

https://de.scribd.com/document/367757654/A-Legacy-Of-Thoughts-by-Bernard-C-Sherman#from_embed

A Legacy Of Thoughts by Bernard C. Sherman
Uploaded by The Globe and Mail

 

[dotr]

http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...d-nervous-breakdown-sister-in-law-tells-court
May 4, 2018

“Kerry was orphaned at four, abused by his adoptive father, became addicted to drugs in his teens, lost my husband (Dana) with whom he was very close due to a drug overdose and developed a very close relationship with Barry which later became toxic as a result of the issues giving rise to this litigation including Barry’s (alleged) deceit.” Drug-free for six years, Winter regularly attends drug and alcohol addiction meetings but his sister-in-law said she now worries the stress of their lawsuit will result in a relapse.

It’s all a damning portrait of the angry cousin at the centre of the Sherman mystery.

 

[human]

Why would Barry ask someone to kill Honey? Seems like that would be very problematic. Why not kill her with some clever undetectable drugs?

 

[Jennifer17]

Why would Barry ask someone to kill Honey? Seems like that would be very problematic. Why not kill her with some clever undetectable drugs?

Not many drugs capable of killing are undetectable.

 

[Jennifer17]

http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...d-nervous-breakdown-sister-in-law-tells-court
May 4, 2018

And some people may think that his anger is justified.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Barry didn’t buy a small floundering drug company. When my father passed, his group of co’s was the largest generic drug manufacturer in Canada with over a million dollar in sales in 1965.
He played the family card and offered the Royal Trust Co. an option to me and my brothers, which he never intended to honour.
All the billions my cousin made never brought him happiness. He screwed a lot of people and made many enemies. But in the end, he went mad/crazy. I sat across from him during an examination for discovery last year and he was clearly losing his mind. Maybe....the money was cursed, because he stole from orphans. Behind every great fortune is a great crime!

I would expect - IF I ever would expect at all - to get 20% of the value of your father's group of companies at the time he unfortunately died much too early.
The chance for you and your brothers to get a job at the age of 21 at one of the companies your father owned when he died, you hadn't been given. BUT certainly you are not able to claim objectively, whether you ever would have taken this chance for longer than a probationary period and whether you would have been successful, IF . Think of BS' own children: no one is working in his business. There may be a reason and you might have had the same reason for quitting work with BS at an early stage.
After all, BS had cared for you and your brothers with the help of his money again and again. Do you think your own father would have generously funded you and your brothers without reinsurance over tens of years? I think, he wouldn't have as well. Your father would have tried to teach you and your brothers responsibly handling with his laboriously earned money as BS did, I think. Which intelligent, busy, wealthy father would not?
You and your brothers had a nightmarish childhood, it seems. I'm very, very sorry about that!
Though I don't understand why only your cousin Barry should be to blame for those very unhappy years and your further life, you and your brothers - 4 orphans in the care of adoptive parents - had to endure. I think, more of BS' money would not have really helped you and your brothers. The ambition to become successful of your very own would have helped - the wrong view of your life like "shoulda-coulda-woulda" may have been poison for you and your brothers and will remain poison forever, IMO.
As you said: BS couldn't buy happiness with all his money. Neither you and your brothers (s-i-l), as bad as it is.