Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

[deugirtni]

Originally Posted by AllyJane

4 hour polygraph with the Fifth Estate? Funny but I thought his meeting with police as reported by the Toronto Sun was 4 hours per a quote by Mr. Winter in Feb 2nd article. Four hours is a long time for a police interview as well as a polygraph and to have both be 4 hours is a quite a coincidence.

***Actually....4 and 1/2 hr interview. I’m NOT a suspect.

Kerry Winter went into Toronto Police’s homicide squad office at about 9 p.m.

He was out by 1 a.m.

“A four-hour interview,” he said Friday.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/sherman-cousin-kerry-winter-speaks-with-toronto-police

 

[deugirtni]

***Actually....4 and 1/2 hr interview. I’m NOT a suspect.

Just hours before he was set to walk into Toronto Police Headquarters to be interviewed by homicide detectives in the Honey and Barry Sherman murder probe, disgruntled cousin Kerry Winter acknowledged something many were thinking.
“I am a suspect,” he told me Thursday. “I have to watch what I say.”

http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...rman-deaths-murder-suicide-fails-lie-detector

 

[ldlager]

***Actually....4 and 1/2 hr interview. I’m NOT a suspect.

KW, in post 1222 you indicated that you were told that are the main suspect. Are you saying now that since then LE has advised you that you are not a suspect? If so I am glad for you. Did they tell you anything else about the case?

 

[deugirtni]

KW, in post 1222 you indicated that you were told that are the main suspect. Are you saying now that since then LE has advised you that you are not a suspect? If so I am glad for you. Did they tell you anything else about the case?

Sorry, I don't mean to step on your toes, but just adding the quote and the link for reference:

Thank-you.
After meeting with Detective B. Price for an interview/interrogation the lasted over 4 hrs, without a lawyer and willingly handed over my iPhone....l told him everything l know. I also told Tom Klatt what l know. My source is a retired homicide detective. I told him as l was leaving the police station to do the right thing... go back to the original murder/suicide and close the case.
One of the producers at The Fifth Estate told me that they were waiting on an audio of Barry killing Honey. She also told me that a man who closely resembles Barry, (although he was covering his face with a jacket), turned away the camera...guess he forgot to shut off the audio,
I MUST be very careful!!!!
Because l’ve been told that l’m their prime suspect.
The police have backed themselves into a corner by jumping on Greenspan’s or should l say Greenspin’s narrative. They need to make an arrest: a fall guy.
I’ve reached out to a reputable US magazine. They have my story and facts.
The truth will come out. Barry killed Honey...then hung himself.
*****Barry was also VERY connected to the provincial and federal Liberal party.
That’s right: Prime Minister J. Trudeau.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Toronto-15-Dec-2017-7&p=14105175#post14105175

 

[Tortoise]

C’mon....Chiasson was hired/paid by Greenspan to conclude it was a double murder. Greenspan was retained by the Sherman family to dispel the theory that it was murder/suicide.
Try to see through the smoke and mirrors. If something doesn’t make sense or add up....try to read between the lines
****In over 5 months: one public announcement from the TPS...not a single update nor Q+A?!?!

It's not usual for police to update the public on their investigations, unless they are looking for help.

There is nothing that explains the thousands of police hours put in, the gathering of evidence, analyzing neighborhood CCTV video footage and not releasing the crime scene until the end of January, if they thought this was murder/suicide.

 

[hudunit]

Are most indoor surveillance cameras within reach and easily turned away?

 

[Tortoise]

Are most indoor surveillance cameras within reach and easily turned away?

I wouldn't think so.

 

[human]

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/sherman-cousin-kerry-winter-speaks-with-toronto-police

I am very curious why Barry would think Kerry would look for someone to kill Honey. Why did Kerry not wear a wire to bust Barry?

 

[MistyWaters]

On the topic of TPS and early media reports of murder-suicide, I think it’s important to remember the only Official Statement at that time was the deaths were “suspicious”.

It’s interesting to note possible similarities to another tragic murder recently in the headlines, that of Fabio Sementilli in LA. Coincidently, he also originated from Toronto. In that case it is alleged the perpetrators staged the murder to make it appear the victim was killed during a violent gang robbery at his home. But LAPD had evidence to cause them to believe early on that the crime was merely staged to appear as such. So they intentionally released no information to the contrary of the robbery motive during the first weeks of their investigation as they closed in on the suspects.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alleged-murder-conspirators-seen-in-photos-at-crime-scene/

Websleuths thread here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...airdresser-murdered-in-LA-23-Jan-17-*Arrests*

I’m not suggesting there’s any other resemblance between the two cases whatsoever except that LE can have valid reasons to play their cards close to their chest, especially regarding staged crimes.

In the Sherman case, because we really know little or nothing about the direction the investigation is headed, we also cannot conclude TPS and the PI team are adversaries or that one or another has a different agenda. For all we know, they are working together and the media “sources” leaks are a collective strategy.

 

[deugirtni]

On the topic of TPS and early media reports of murder-suicide, I think it’s important to remember the only Official Statement at that time was the deaths were “suspicious”.

It’s interesting to note possible similarities to another tragic murder recently in the headlines, that of Fabio Sementilli in LA. Coincidently, he also originated from Toronto. In that case it is alleged the perpetrators staged the murder to make it appear the victim was killed during a violent gang robbery at his home. But LAPD had evidence to cause them to believe early on that the crime was merely staged to appear as such. So they intentionally released no information to the contrary of the robbery motive during the first weeks of their investigation as they closed in on the suspects.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alleged-murder-conspirators-seen-in-photos-at-crime-scene/

Websleuths thread here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...airdresser-murdered-in-LA-23-Jan-17-*Arrests*

I’m not suggesting there’s any other resemblance between the two cases whatsoever except that LE can have valid reasons to play their cards close to their chest, especially regarding staged crimes.

In the Sherman case, because we really know little or nothing about the direction the investigation is headed, we also cannot conclude TPS and the PI team are adversaries or that one or another has a different agenda. For all we know, they are working together and the media “sources” leaks are a collective strategy.

Yes, agreed. There are also things that PI's can do, which LE cannot do simply because they are LE. While I wouldn't expect they would necessarily work together, hopefully they're looking to the same goals of finding the truth of what happened and bringing any perps to justice.

It was a bit of a black mark on the department that the (Barry and Honey) Sherman killings were deemed a murder-suicide at first without any autopsy results. What did you learn from that?

As an organization, we had an official stance right after the post-mortem and that official stance was suspicious. Det.-Sgt. (Susan) Gomes did what any good investigator would do — that is followed the evidence to the best of her ability and came out with her final judgement.

Do you think you will ever solve it?

I don’t want to speculate. I’ve got a good team on it right now and I know we’ll get positive results.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...-from-under-the-knife-to-under-the-microscope

 

[andreww]

You have to remember though, that to this family and case, he is an outsider, thus being impartial. He wasn't hired to give a specific outcome, he was hired to do his job as a pathologist.

If it was a family member doing the examination, that would lack impartiality and objectivity. Dr. Chiasson did his job.

You know this how?


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[JayFriend]

On the topic of TPS and early media reports of murder-suicide, I think it’s important to remember the only Official Statement at that time was the deaths were “suspicious”.

Yes, the murder/suicide theory was leaked, not officially announced.

 

[andreww]

Hi Satchie. The Star article indicates the source is “...people with close knowledge of the private investigation into the case..”
The use of the word “people” implies more than 1 person IMO. And as you surmise, they may be part of the private investigation team, or they have knowledge of the details. Like you, I doubt the source is TPS, I’m sure that they are being very careful after the commotion that was caused by the “no suspects at this time” announcement.

Lol, what makes you think that the private investigators have any more info than you or I?

And why wouldn’t TPS talk to reporters? They do all the time.


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[andreww]

I agree Grey-St.- Dr. Chiasson appears to have done exactly what he was hired to do.

Yes he did. He discredited the theory TPS was leaning towards. How many investigations do police get wrong? Less than 1%? Yet if you go back in these threads, you will see that I predicted that the family’s experts would discredit the TPS theory. So either I’m clairvoyant or the obvious fix was in from the beginning.


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[casesensitive]

On the topic of TPS and early media reports of murder-suicide, I think it’s important to remember the only Official Statement at that time was the deaths were “suspicious”.

snipped quote

This is true, but wouldn't the term "suspicious" include murder/suicide as well as double homicide?

 

[MistyWaters]

And why wouldn’t TPS talk to reporters? They do all the time.


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In Canada, especially prior to charges being filed, I’ve noticed the exact opposite. LE does not provide the public with investigative updates and at most they may inform us if they are actively seeking tips on an unknown perpetrator. Even after charges are laid, especially in high profile cases, publication bans are often filed to prevent the media from reporting therefore what was happening behind the scenes is not known until the criminal trial occurs.

 

[MistyWaters]

On the topic of TPS and early media reports of murder-suicide, I think it’s important to remember the only Official Statement at that time was the deaths were “suspicious”.

snipped quote

This is true, but wouldn't the term "suspicious" include murder/suicide as well as double homicide?

@casesensitive
Yes I think so, to my definition “suspicious” deaths would generally include anything other than death by natural causes, where questions around determination of cause are, well suspicious. IIRC the word “suspicious” was referenced prior to the autopsy being conducted in a media press release from TPS Spokesperson. Interestingly, by then the media was already running rampant with a murder-suicide scenario and there was no herding the horses back behind the gate.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

On the topic of TPS and early media reports of murder-suicide, I think it’s important to remember the only Official Statement at that time was the deaths were “suspicious”.

It’s interesting to note possible similarities to another tragic murder recently in the headlines, that of Fabio Sementilli in LA. Coincidently, he also originated from Toronto. In that case it is alleged the perpetrators staged the murder to make it appear the victim was killed during a violent gang robbery at his home. But LAPD had evidence to cause them to believe early on that the crime was merely staged to appear as such. So they intentionally released no information to the contrary of the robbery motive during the first weeks of their investigation as they closed in on the suspects.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alleged-murder-conspirators-seen-in-photos-at-crime-scene/

Websleuths thread here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...airdresser-murdered-in-LA-23-Jan-17-*Arrests*

I’m not suggesting there’s any other resemblance between the two cases whatsoever except that LE can have valid reasons to play their cards close to their chest, especially regarding staged crimes.

In the Sherman case, because we really know little or nothing about the direction the investigation is headed, we also cannot conclude TPS and the PI team are adversaries or that one or another has a different agenda. For all we know, they are working together and the media “sources” leaks are a collective strategy.

So, LE had the murder's DNA at the crime scene, there was a match in the system because he had a previous conviction and his DNA was in the database. And the arrest came four month's later.

I imagine they were building their case, but I also wonder how long it took them to make that match.

In the Sherman case, maybe the delay in between the Coroner coming to an agreement and meeting with Dr. Chaisson had to do with lab results coming back? Maybe the Star story wasn't the catalyst.

The coroner or LE would have to notify the family of their findings, so Chaisson may have been a part of that meeting?

 

[ldlager]

Lol, what makes you think that the private investigators have any more info than you or I?

And why wouldn’t TPS talk to reporters? They do all the time.


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The PI’s were in the room at the second autopsy. I wasn’t. The PI’s were in the house after LE released it. I wasnt. So they certainly know more than I do.

 

[ldlager]

Does anyone find it more than a little strange that Frank D’Angelo has been completely silent for the past several months?