Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

[MistyWaters]

Character flaws may not be inconsequential to this particular double homicide.

It's an understatement to say that BS and/or HS didn't rub someone the wrong way.

Yes, I also respect WSs policies and therefore, will not post what I have heard that is negative. What I have heard is NOT victim blaming but factual.

I also do not believe in speaking ill of the dead.

As I stated earlier, we are all flawed.

Sure everyone is flawed. Just by the fact they were targeted for murder, someone wanted them dead.

But surely you can’t be suggesting if B or H might’ve rubbed someone the wrong way, regardless of how, that’d ever be a justifiable reason for their murder or that they deserved to die? In Canadian courtrooms successful convictions are often based on proof the accused’s motive was revenge or hatred and had a reason to kill. That’s not an excuse (unless it’s self-defence). The victim/s are never on trial.

 

[JDG]

Of course they didn't deserve to die due to character flaws.
You don't seem to get what I am saying. I never suggested it was justifiable.

 

[MistyWaters]

Of course they didn't deserve to die due to character flaws.
You don't seem to get what I am saying. I never suggested it was justifiable.

My mistake, thank you for clarifying!

If and when charges are laid, the perp has every opportunity to defend themselves by whatever manner they choose. Because I believe in our criminal justice system, I somewhat bristle when the general public blames victims, without benefit of hardly knowing any details about the case. Especially because the victims are no longer here to share their side of the story.

 

[casesensitive]

Victims naturally come under a microscope when looking for motives for their murder. If the motive may be money-they look at who benefits (ie their relationship with beneficiaries): jealousy-(ie evidence of extramarital affairs): revenge-(ie personal or business vendettas).

Unfortunately, and notably in sensational cases, the victim's life is exposed, warts and all, as motives are contemplated (especially if there is a trial). It is unfair to the victims, but it is inevitable.

Barry and Honey, the REAL victims in this case, have been freely smeared on this thread by a VI who gets away with it I guess because he is considered a victim himself by being related. With all due respect, that seems unfair imo, since B and H can't defend themselves.

 

[dotr]

Victims naturally come under a microscope when looking for motives for their murder. If the motive may be money-they look at who benefits (ie their relationship with beneficiaries): jealousy-(ie evidence of extramarital affairs): revenge-(ie personal or business vendettas).

Unfortunately, and notably in sensational cases, the victim's life is exposed, warts and all, as motives are contemplated (especially if there is a trial). It is unfair to the victims, but it is inevitable.

Barry and Honey, the REAL victims in this case, have been freely smeared on this thread by a VI who gets away with it I guess because he is considered a victim himself by being related. With all due respect, that seems unfair imo, since B and H can't defend themselves.

The VI was dragged into it in the media from the get-go, like the many others with whom the S's had dealings, both good and bad.
As a relative he may feel more inclined to defend himself, than the others, ie perhaps" the best defense is a good offense" imo, speculation.
Understandably, the family troubles were mentioned almost immediately Dec 15 2017.
Apotex billionaire Barry Sherman and his wife Honey found dead | The Star
"In recent years, the couple had been ensnared in a lawsuit over drug company money, filed by Barry’s cousins.
Sherman made no provision for them to work at Apotex and become shareholders."

 

[casesensitive]

MistyWaters: l’m not going to debate/defend my ongoing litigation before the court of appeal here on Websleuths.

quote snipped by me

The VI made it clear that he did not join WS to defend himself in regard to the lawsuit.

He initiated contact with the media, not to defend himself in regard to the lawsuit, but to tell the public that BS asked him to whack his wife, and to support the M/S theory. And to smear their reputations.

 

[MistyWaters]

Victims naturally come under a microscope when looking for motives for their murder. If the motive may be money-they look at who benefits (ie their relationship with beneficiaries): jealousy-(ie evidence of extramarital affairs): revenge-(ie personal or business vendettas).

Unfortunately, and notably in sensational cases, the victim's life is exposed, warts and all, as motives are contemplated (especially if there is a trial). It is unfair to the victims, but it is inevitable.

Barry and Honey, the REAL victims in this case, have been freely smeared on this thread by a VI who gets away with it I guess because he is considered a victim himself by being related. With all due respect, that seems unfair imo, since B and H can't defend themselves.

What KW has to say here is interesting from his personal perspective as a follow up to his various media appearances. It’s reasonable to me why VI’s are exempt from ordinary membership rules yet what they personally claim may be believed or not. KW is clearly very firm in his belief while short on proof about how he knows the truth of M/S.

When you refer to victims lives being exposed my first thought is it’s now become very common for the general public to rush to seek out victims accounts on FB, Twitter, instagram, etc and often then judgements are based on that. As for the Shermans, they weren’t SM users therefore much less is known about their lives and therefore the motive becomes somewhat of a guessing game. Their world was far larger as compared to the vast majority of the population yet they did not maintain a high public profile.

 

[MistyWaters]

The VI was dragged into it in the media from the get-go, like the many others with whom the S's had dealings, both good and bad.
As a relative he may feel more inclined to defend himself, than the others, ie perhaps" the best defense is a good offense" imo, speculation.
Understandably, the family troubles were mentioned almost immediately Dec 15 2017.
Apotex billionaire Barry Sherman and his wife Honey found dead | The Star
"In recent years, the couple had been ensnared in a lawsuit over drug company money, filed by Barry’s cousins.
Sherman made no provision for them to work at Apotex and become shareholders."

Yes that’s true and likely because KW and the cousins’ billion dollar lawsuit was already a feature of various media reports prior to the murders, including Sept, 2017 when the Judge dismissed it.

Lawsuit seeking piece of Toronto billionaire Barry Sherman's fortune 'wishful thinking,' judge rules | The Star

A few months earlier, April, 2017.
Toronto billionaire’s orphaned cousins seek piece of Apotex fortune | The Star
.....“I look at my life today and I feel very strongly that if I ran into a whack of dough, my life really wouldn’t change that much,” Winter said. “I’ve got a great job, I see my kids every other weekend, I have a beautiful girlfriend who has been living with me for almost four years.

“I don’t know if it’s so much about getting five, 10 or X amount of millions. To me this is about, and I know it sounds cliché, it’s really about making Barry Sherman accountable.” .....

 

[JDG]

Victims naturally come under a microscope when looking for motives for their murder. If the motive may be money-they look at who benefits (ie their relationship with beneficiaries): jealousy-(ie evidence of extramarital affairs): revenge-(ie personal or business vendettas).

Unfortunately, and notably in sensational cases, the victim's life is exposed, warts and all, as motives are contemplated (especially if there is a trial). It is unfair to the victims, but it is inevitable.

Barry and Honey, the REAL victims in this case, have been freely smeared on this thread by a VI who gets away with it I guess because he is considered a victim himself by being related. With all due respect, that seems unfair imo, since B and H can't defend themselves.

Totally agree with both of your posts.

 

[Kerry Winter]

Now we're getting somewhere! I would not doubt for a second that Russians were involved.

This had to do with Barry pushing out Russian money being loaned to a development on the south/west corner of Yonge and Bloor. Why not kill Mizrachi?

 

[Kerry Winter]

During your various media appearances and interviews I recall you saying that you were probably viewed as a suspect.

Do you still think so?

NO! I maintain that Price and Gomes know Barry killed Honey....then committed suicide.

 

[Kerry Winter]

Do you believe you had a personal influence on a M/S scenario occurring? Is that why you think you know the truth?

As mentioned here on Websleuths: a retired homicide detective told my girlfriend some very interesting things just after the bodies were found.

 

[Kerry Winter]

Just a question for KW. Kerry, you said the truth would all come out in a 'proper' magazine or newspaper. Can you tell us when? Which mag or paper?
Thank you

Businessweek and the Wall Street Journal

 

[Kerry Winter]

quote snipped by me

The VI made it clear that he did not join WS to defend himself in regard to the lawsuit.

He initiated contact with the media, not to defend himself in regard to the lawsuit, but to tell the public that BS asked him to whack his wife, and to support the M/S theory. And to smear their reputations.

Thank-you!

 

[Chelly]

Businessweek and the Wall Street Journal

Kerry Winter, I am so looking forward to these media accounts. Are reporters for these publications in touch with you? We are hoping something breaks soon.

 

[MistyWaters]

As mentioned here on Websleuths: a retired homicide detective told my girlfriend some very interesting things just after the bodies were found.

I doubt you require any of us to define the word “retired”.

 

[ldlager]

This had to do with Barry pushing out Russian money being loaned to a development on the south/west corner of Yonge and Bloor. Why not kill Mizrachi?

In view of his prior dealings with those accused of embezzling billions from the Iranian National Bank (as I have posted previously) I doubt he goes anywhere unprotected. And I would assume he does not sleep well at night either.

 

[dotr]

As mentioned here on Websleuths: a retired homicide detective told my girlfriend some very interesting things just after the bodies were found.

Can you give us a little hint?

 

[Sherman Barry]

When are the Business Week and Wall Street Journals publishing their articles. I wonder if they have any new news. Seems as if all media outlets recycling similar tired old stories.......................

 

[dotr]

When are the Business Week and Wall Street Journals publishing their articles. I wonder if they have any new news. Seems as if all media outlets recycling similar tired old stories.......................

Welcome to Ws Sherman Barry!