CANADA Canada - Ben Tyner, 32, cowboy, horse returned w/o him, Merritt, British Columbia, 26 Jan 2019 - #2

[MistyWaters]

He’s not “vocal” on FB, but there’s info.
I’m guessing his lawyer told him to refrain from commenting. I have mentioned his absence many times over the course of Ben’s disappearance.
He must be mortified, imo & hoping for resolution.
Speculating only, as I have previously stated, it is MOO this will end right back where it started.
Notice no one from NR discusses Ben. It’s not only the owner’s not speaking out.
IMO, the legal team for NR has told everyone to zip their lips.
Tammy, the office manager spoke out early on.

Yes various reasons can be inferred for an attorney to instruct a business owner to zip it. Sometimes though, it might pertain to mitigating future liability or negligence. We just don’t know enough facts at this point in time.

 

[Trudie]

Yes various reasons can be inferred for an attorney to instruct a business owner to zip it. Sometimes though, it might pertain to mitigating future liability or negligence. We just don’t know enough facts at this point in time.

Lol, that’s what I meant.
Corporate attorneys for the Dev Group that owns NR must be concerned. Of course it’s the insurance company that’ll take the hit if there’s civil action down the road.
Speculating, MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

I think we can at least speculate. Once RCMP announced that foul play was involved and they were looking for the final pieces to a puzzle they were assembling, speculation began. Well, it probably began before that because that's what we do here on WS.

Motive could have involved either something related to his place of work (envious, disgruntled employee; something illicit going on the Ben discovered; anger over Ben's position and hiring) or something related to his personal life (angered ex boyfriend; jealous woman/women)..or even part of some hate/conspiracy against the ranch and owner...all these just examples, of course. And definitely all IMO...And speculation based on use of the word "targeted" from LE. Again, JMO

Good examples. Ben could’ve been targeted for any of three reasons -
- personal reasons.
- reasons directly associated to his employment.
- reasons indirectly associated to him through his employment.

I can’t think of any other types of reasons and from the little we know, I’d give each an equal possibility.

 

[MistyWaters]

Lol, that’s what I meant.
Corporate attorneys for the Dev Group that owns NR must be concerned. Of course it’s the insurance company that’ll take the hit if there’s civil action down the road.
Speculating, MOO

In Canada, extremely unlikely the owner of the ranch would be liable unless the company was found to be negligent in some way. Canadian civil suits aren’t nearly as lucrative in opportunity as in the US.

 

[Trudie]

Why do you think 2 people are involved?

Only part of my working theory, after too many hours of research.
As with any case we individually follow, I think most of us reach a conclusion based on our findings.

 

[zecats]

Don't forget the truck and tools theft in 2017 also. I'll get the link.

edit to add link-
Truck, tools stolen from Nicola Ranch - Merritt Herald

It almost seems as if NR is being targeted with all the "bad luck" coincidences.
Let's take a closer look:
The wildfire was not man-made (unless it was proven to have been started on purpose) and can be explained away as an act of nature. The selling off of hay operations and letting go of employees was a definitive choice made by ownership, it seems. The church arson was a deliberate hateful act (crime stated as potentially a hate crime by RCMP - link posted by me back a ways), and this could have been directed at NR in a way to affect tourism. It's right next to the store as well in the old town site. Of course the tools stolen and then the worst - Ben. Any of these related? Directed for some angry reason toward NR or owner?

I've always heard there is no such thing as coincidence. So I don't have a conclusion or even a speculation. Just a train of thought. IMO

 

[zecats]

One of the reasons I’m a FB boycotter/avoider is nothing that’s posted has been verified.

But if this person is vocal on FB, I question why has he not spoken publicly to offer his regret for the tragedy of Ben’s mysterious disappearance, by contacting the media. Not even during the time Ben’s family travelled to Merritt from Wyoming? Now almost two months have gone by. Has this person never travelled to the location where his newly hired Ranch Manager disappeared from and if so, why not. I wonder what’s the reason he’s staying low key.

We have not heard that he has spoken out in any way, even to express regret. Also along with @Trudie I wondered why he didn't offer a reward or any offer to cooperate with the investigation. Not sure how things like that work in Canada, but usually here in US, a company will offer a reward to help find a missing employee (who went missing on their watch) or at least make a statement of total cooperation in any investigation. This he may have done, and it has been kept quiet/private. IMO

 

[Trudie]

It almost seems as if NR is being targeted with all the "bad luck" coincidences.
Let's take a closer look:
The wildfire was not man-made (unless it was proven to have been started on purpose) and can be explained away as an act of nature. The selling off of hay operations and letting go of employees was a definitive choice made by ownership, it seems. The church arson was a deliberate hateful act (crime stated a potentially a hate crime by RCMP - link posted by me back a ways), and this could have been directed at NR in a way to affect tourism. It's right next to the store as well in the old town site. Of course the tools stolen and then the worst - Ben. Any of these related? Directed for some angry reason toward NR or owner?

I've always heard there is no such thing as coincidence. So I don't have a conclusion or even a speculation. Just a train of thought. IMO

Well, if I ever steal a vehicle, I’m going for one sans company logo.
I don’t think any of the incidents are related.
Actually, until layoffs, NR staff had high seniority, unusual for ag’ jobs, imo.
Restructuring the hay op’ is something I’m familiar with, in my area. It’s so labor intensive, many of our large farms have agreements with other farms. Also, it was noted the decision would be revisited, by NR. Perhaps it was partly to weed out staff that needed to go. Start fresh?
The church fire....well, AC obviously has a problem with churches or historic buildings, imo.
Then there’s Ben, who should be riding the range, throwing his rope, excited about spring & the calving season, anticipating the chance to show off his skills & expertise. Instead, someone took all of his dreams away, “targeting” him in effort to CTA, in my opinion.

 

[Trudie]

We have not heard that he has spoken out in any way, even to express regret. Also along with @Trudie I wondered why he didn't offer a reward or any offer to cooperate with the investigation. Not sure how things like that work in Canada, but usually here in US, a company will offer a reward to help find a missing employee (who went missing on their watch) or at least make a statement of total cooperation in any investigation. This he may have done, and it has been kept quiet/private. IMO

I’m sure he’s 100% cooperative with LE as well as completely devastated by this. He has nothing to hide, imo.
I have a thought about his lack of reward & public statement, but need to ask a mod if it would be within TOS to post.

 

[zecats]

Why do you think 2 people are involved?

I agree with the likelihood of 2 people being involved in this case, perhaps somehow connected to each other and assistive in that manner. However, it would seem to be a crime that required 2 (at least) to carry out, IMO. Ben is a big guy and is strong and experienced with tough situations. I'm sure he had a weapon and he has dogs.
If this went down as we may believe, with him being murdered, his dog, cell phone and dogs being left behind, and his horse being saddled, bridled, and trailered up north of NR to be dumped there, I'm guessing that a second someone needed to be keeping watch, if not outwardly helping, while these plans were put in action. JM best O

 

[zecats]

I’m sure he’s 100% cooperative with LE as well as completely devastated by this. He has nothing to hide, imo.
I have a thought about his lack of reward & public statement, but need to ask a mod if it would be within TOS to post.

I should have clarified, I do not believe he is involved in Ben's disappearance either. He was lucky to find and hire him, IMO

ETA to add that I just find it "different" that nothing has been mentioned about him having any kind of comment...not even something that would compromise his business or the investigation. Just words of sympathy or concern. IMO

 

[Trudie]

I agree with the likelihood of 2 people being involved in this case, perhaps somehow connected to each other and assistive in that manner. However, it would seem to be a crime that required 2 (at least) to carry out, IMO. Ben is a big guy and is strong and experienced with tough situations. I'm sure he had a weapon and he has dogs.
If this went down as we may believe, with him being murdered, his dog, cell phone and dogs being left behind, and his horse being saddled, bridled, and trailered up north of NR to be dumped there, I'm guessing that a second someone needed to be keeping watch, if not outwardly helping, while these plans were put in action. JM best O

If Gunny was running wildly for hours, mud should have been all over the saddle. (Think lunging after rain) Also, the stirrups would be telling. Every pic of Ben I’ve found, his saddle is impeccably clean. If he actually mounted Gunny, there should be some debris on the stirrups from Ben’s boots.

 

[Trudie]

I agree with the likelihood of 2 people being involved in this case, perhaps somehow connected to each other and assistive in that manner. However, it would seem to be a crime that required 2 (at least) to carry out, IMO. Ben is a big guy and is strong and experienced with tough situations. I'm sure he had a weapon and he has dogs.
If this went down as we may believe, with him being murdered, his dog, cell phone and dogs being left behind, and his horse being saddled, bridled, and trailered up north of NR to be dumped there, I'm guessing that a second someone needed to be keeping watch, if not outwardly helping, while these plans were put in action. JM best O

Yea. Two with motive, one brazen enough to pull it off, party #2 in the know.
Well, they know what LE said, they have a chance to come forward.
Moo and all that.

 

[Trudie]

Yeah at least one must be getting nervous, he even lost his dog!
But then he found it.
Do we agree?

Negative

 

[zecats]

Negative

Double negative.

 

[enelram]

Double negative.

Negative

You mean I'm way off base?
hmm, thought that was too easy.
Zecats, you're in the know also?
Come on Miss T. give us a hint er give me a hint.
I need help, if I have to start all over. I'll be dead by the time I
figure this out.

 

[zecats]

You mean I'm way off base?
hmm, thought that was too easy.
Zecats, you're in the know also?
Come on Miss T. give us a hint er give me a hint.
I need help, if I have to start all over. I'll be dead by the time I
figure this out.

I only can make conclusions based on what I have read. Speculation abounds and TOS prevent too much commentary. In fairness to your question, there is not a definitive suspect (or 2), of course. All we can do is base educated guesses on possible motives and possible reasons for anyone to be behind those motives. JMO

 

[zecats]

2 months now. Post from admin of page gives hope that the investigators will solve this. Hopefully soon.

MISSING: BEN TYNER

"Sadly we are coming into the two month marker that Ben has been missing. Please remember that while a missing person is still missing it is an open case. As the general public we are not privy to every aspect of the investigation, not even the family of a missing person is given all that information because the case is still open and active. Just because we don’t see press releases, interviews or boots on the ground doesn’t mean that the police aren’t working on Bens case."

 

[enelram]

@enelram
What’s your theory?
One of us might end up right.

see my last post. The cowboy who separated from NR and admits
to have ridden w/ BT for a "couple months" before "movin on".
Also recently his dog went missing up around Long Lake, north
of ranch, he's still living close to Merritt so he didn't move on too
far. And he doesn't sound like he's working since he'd spent
many hours searching for the dog.
Plus he said he was gonna go hiking/searching up in the area
where BT's horse was found. Don't they say perps often go back
to scene of crime. Maybe BT is buried up in that area towards
Long Lake.

 

[Trudie]

The earlier articles, when he first was missing, did anyone
specifically say "Maybe he went out to find stray cows" ? And
was a person named in the quote? Or was this Tracy speaking to the reporter?
Supposedly there were only 4 cowboys left working the cows,
one left or was let go in Jan. Of the remaining 3, I've eleminated
2 as not suspicious. One last one I can't identify.
The one who left or was terminated in Jan. is my main
focus due to other details.
Whoever was still working there and mentioned going to find
stray cows could know what really happened. So there could
be 2, I agree.

Well, you know how press releases vary.
A few quoted Tracy: “other ranchers said he was looking for strays”, I assume one of the “ranchers” reported seeing Ben ride out. Otherwise, how would he even have such a thought? Also, I don’t think personnel from other ranches could see Ben or knew what he planned to do so it makes sense to me the ranchers referenced work at NR.