CANADA Canada - Bowmanville, Ont, Black/S. AsianFem 18-30, 90UFON, near freeway, Oct'06

  • #381
I think so too. She appears to be Indo-Caribbean (or whatever the correct term is).

She's 18% South Asian (Indian), NOT SE Asian. The Brits bought Indians (South Asians) to the Caribbean. In the 19th Century, the Brits brought many Indians into a "worker"," indentured servant" program.

They weren't slaves, but most were low wage workers. Many married into the African population.
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The Indo-Caribbean Canadian community has developed a unique cultural blend of both Indian and Caribbean culture due to a long period of isolation from India, amongst other reasons. Some Indo-Caribbean Canadians associate themselves with the Indo-Canadian community. However, most associate with the Indo-Caribbean community or the wider Caribbean community or with both. Most mainly live within the Greater Toronto Area or Southern Ontario.

Here is her admixture from the Doe DNA Project. Bowmanville.jpg

Spreadsheet for those who are interested in their research:
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From this admix, she had one fully south asian grandparent or even greatgrandparent and a more distant European ancestor. The majority of her genetic makeup is African.
Caribbean is possible, however they usually have a stronger European, especially Iberian European admix, which I only see faintly here.
The South Asian admix does point to the Caribbean, though, unless she is the second or third generation child of a South Asian immigrant and an African American or Caribbean African American. Sort of like Kamala Harris.

A very challenging case indeed. I guess she has weak matches only.
 
  • #382
Ok this is going to be a long one bear with me. This article from may 25, 2009 was looking for Saredo. Last seen September 10, 2001. (Maybe the commotion of the day after September 11, 2001 meant her case was overlooked for a long time?


I know it’s a long shot but Saredo Mohamed Hassan might be a possible match. If she’s even still missing…

Just for some background.

I’m Somali and my sister was born in Toronto there are A LOT of us there. A lot of my other relatives are in Denmark/Sweden/Italy/Norway and some US. I myself was born in Italy but grew up in Ontario, living in Toronto & London (ont). I feel very close to this case for those reasons and have always believed she was Somali.

I know the parabon has she is African-American and 16 percent south Asian. Somalis have interesting genetic make up.
Somalis have a really interesting genetic mix that I think needs to be studied more.


A good portion of Somalis get Malagasy, south asian and Arab Persian admixture due to the coast of Somalia being a major trading port.


I also honestly think the photos fit very well, the eyes,nose and brows match. Really well in fact. Please see the photos below.

Jane doe is also anemic, lots of Somalis are anemic I myself am anemic. And we tend to have wider/larger than average foreheads and protruding front teeth fairly often. I used to be called buck tooth as a kid haha.

Also A LOT of Somalis declare their birthday as Jan 1st. It’s a running joke. It’s due to immigration asking for a dob for documents but a lot of indigenous peoples not really writing or marking that down. Wasn’t she found with a January birthstone ring?




I’m using @CarlK90245 original recon and a few other recons for comparison.

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  • #383
Lastly,

lots of Somali girls when they reach 13 are sent away by various channels to get FGM. (Thankfully my family was progressive in that regard). Sometimes they escape and can disappear. One woman that I knew said she was forced and scheduled at 13 to go get FGM back in Somalia or another Muslim country and had a connecting flight to Amsterdam and was meant to catch her secondary flight to Africa for the procedure. She fled from the Netherlands and ended up in Canada.

I think this might be a similar case here. Or something like that. Only to end up in the situation she ended up in.

I have emailed the detective and also left a voicemail.
 
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  • #384
Lastly, It is important to also note another m Jane Doe case was in Washington. It was the case of Morton Jane Doe. She was also believed initially to be a white woman for YEARS until she was found later on to be Somali, just like with Bowmanville Jane Doe.
 
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  • #386
Unlike other children from around the world whose disappearances are the subject of high-profile police appeals and headline news, their appeals quietly sit on the PSNI’s missing persons list.

They have no family to search and no-one to shout to keep up the fight to find them; a silence that only works in favour of those suspected of targeting them.
“But because there is no family or next of kin looking for either of them, we hear very little.”
The charity director added: “There is resources and institutions looking for other people, similar cases throughout Europe, one recently in Germany, but because these girls are asylum seekers it seems like there is no one looking for them.
 
  • #387
Interpol might be worth checking out.
On it. The thing is a lot of asylum or immigrant people arent always on the interpol list. also not sure if the fact that the communities and people looking arent always getting huge public attention.

Therefore they aren’t on the big international sites like bbc. Etc.

Funny the documentary discussing this issue and some of these girls in particular has won an amnesty award but there’s barely any public awareness on these girls!

yesterday I sent emails to each missing persons department for each girl (UK/Belgium/Ireland) I’ve posted. I’m hoping to get confirmations from each law enforcement department. If the news reports I’ve included aren’t okay to post maybe I can get confirmation from LE via written email that they are still missing. Something I can always either forward or screenshot to mods.

Sucks that institutional/systemic racism of sorts is working towards these immigrant Jane does not being identified sooner. I don’t want it to continue to work against them.

Working on it nonetheless! Let’s get these girls home.
 
  • #388
From this admix, she had one fully south asian grandparent or even greatgrandparent and a more distant European ancestor. The majority of her genetic makeup is African.
Caribbean is possible, however they usually have a stronger European, especially Iberian European admix, which I only see faintly here.
The South Asian admix does point to the Caribbean, though, unless she is the second or third generation child of a South Asian immigrant and an African American or Caribbean African American. Sort of like Kamala Harris.

A very challenging case indeed. I guess she has weak matches only.
Good catch about the Euro admixture. I think Kamala's father is part Irish. Bob Marley was also part British. Wikipedia says 10% average Euro for Jamaica.

Back to square one...
 
  • #389
For what it's worth, I follow a lot of AncestryDNA boards and I've definitely seen Jamaican/Jamaican diaspora results that look like hers. Miss World in 2019, Toni Ann Singh, is Indo-Jamaican.
 
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  • #390
Bowmanville Jane Doe has been unidentified for 18 years today.
 
  • #391
Has Tahiya Florence Sheikh been ruled out? Her father was Muslim from Tanzania but had very fair skin. He passed in 2019, his obit is easy to find.

I am circling back to my previous comment regarding Tahiya Shiekh.

I am now quite confident that this Jane Doe is Tahiya Shiekh, who last seen in Scarborough Ontario in July of 1985. There are a lot of things that line up and make me certain this is her, but it requires a bit of explanation. So apologies for the novel I am about to write, but hopefully it makes sense once I explain it all.

When I started digging into Tahiya Shiekh and her ancestry, I was able to find her father's obituary: Naseem Ahamed Shiek's Obituary
Born in Dodoma, Tanzania, Africa. Son of Atta Mohamed and Nazir Shiekh. Grandson of Rahim Baksh Shiekh. Husband to Leocadia Mbaiya Shiekh and father of five children, Florence Tahiya Shiekh....(obit continues)
His heritage is interesting and important to follow. It explains why I am positive that she is Bowmanville Jane Doe.

As per her father's obituary, Tahiya is the great-granddaughter of Rahim Baksh Shiekh. That is very important. Baksh is an Indian variant of the Persian "Bakhsh" and is unique to a handful of locations. Mainly the Indian subcontinent; and Trinidad and Tobago, & Guyana.

I remember this quote from the Dna Doe Project:
“It wasn’t until we sequenced her DNA recently that we discovered that her heritage is largely African (with some South-East Asian as well),” stated C. Lauritsen of the DNA Doe Project. “We have reason to believe she has at least extended family from or still in the Caribbean, possibly St. Lucia, St. Vincent & the Grenadines, although not necessarily exclusively. We don’t yet know if she, herself, might’ve lived there prior to her death or not, but because of this connection, we would love to be able to specifically reach the Caribbean-Canadian community –and beyond– to ask if anyone can help us identify her.”

Interesting that there is also a connection to Persia (now known as Iran). I wonder if this accounts for the 0.48% Western Asia DNA in our Jane Doe? (Western Asia is more commonly known as the Middle East)

- Tahiya's paternal grandmother is Atta Mohammed. "Atta" is a forename Muslim name (primarily within Pakistan and Egypt) and is a variant of "Ata" a West African name. I wonder if this accounts for the 1.82% North-East African DNA.

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So according to the obit and also my research, Tahiya's father is Tanzanian & Pakistani (50% Sub-Saharan Africa & 50% South Asian). Looking into her mother side, she is primarily Sub-Saharan African as well (Tanzania), but she appears to have some roots in the Mediterranean and around the Baltic Sea (Greece/Portugal/Spain) but not by much.

Knowing all this, we can deduce that Tayhia is approximately 75% sub-Saharan African and roughly 25% South Asian give or take a few percentages or so.

Let's look at Bowmanville Jane Doe's admixture again.

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It's not exact but it matches up pretty darn well if you ask me. I also tried to account for the smaller dna percentages that were found in Bowmanville Jane Doe's admixture.

A few more things are connecting Bowmanvile Jane Doe to Tahiya Sheikh.

1. Jane Doe's watch
"Investigators determined that the watch was manufactured by the Omni Watch Company in the early 1980s. It was sold exclusively at the now-defunct Consumers Distributing from 1981 to 1983.

Jane Doe's watch looks like very similar to the one Tahiya is seen wearing in this picture taken before she went missing in 1985.
Jane Doe Watch

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Photo of Tahiya
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(IMHO she also really looks like the recon with the brown afro hair in this photo)

2. The Distance
Tahiya was last seen in Scarborough, Ontario. From Scarborough it is only a 25-minute drive to Oshawa where the watch is believed to have been purchased.

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Honestly, I feel like a lot lines up here. And if this is Tahiya the next question is what have happened to her?

According to Tahiya's case file on Canada's Missing:
On July 10, 1985, Tahiya Shiekh was last seen in Scarborough, Ontario. The family doesn't know why she left home. It is believed she left in the middle of the night while her mother and siblings were sleeping. The next morning, she was to take her younger siblings to the zoo. It was then that the family realized she wasn't at home.

We know Bowmanville Jane Doe had a previous nose fracture and is believed to have been the victim of a homicide. If this is her, did Tahiaya experience any domestic abuse? Maybe from A boyfriend? Or a relative?

I have my suspicions, but I won't speculate much further. What I will say is that it is very common to live in Scarborough but work in a neighbouring city like Oshawa. I am curious to know who exactly it was that reported her missing and when. (one of her siblings is a criminal defence lawyer in a neighbouring city).

I hope once she is formally identified whoever did this is persecuted for their crimes. Assuming they are still alive to be held accountable that is.

Lastly, I have sent all this information to the Dna Doe Project and also to Detective Paul Grigoriou. However, I would not be surprised if they already know this is her and are waiting on DNA to confirm. I get that impression somehow.
 
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  • #392
According to Tahiya's case file on Canada's Missing:
On July 10, 1985, Tahiya Shiekh was last seen in Scarborough, Ontario. The family doesn't know why she left home. It is believed she left in the middle of the night while her mother and siblings were sleeping. The next morning, she was to take her younger siblings to the zoo. It was then that the family realized she wasn't at home.

I noticed that it says while her mother and siblings were home sleeping. No mention of her father.
 
  • #393
If this Jane doe was truly half black and half Asian, I could have seen her possibly having a difficult time in life, alot of people of mixed race are considered by many to not be black enough, But Other times if they claim something other then black, they will be called a disgrace to their race there’s no winning with some people.

Sad to say but I could see an angry ex killing her just because she was dating someone else outside of her race.
 
  • #394
Bowmanville Jane Doe has been unidentified for 19 years today.
 
  • #395
Ontario's Missing Adults

I keep coming back to Holly Painter when looking at the UID. The timeframe works in comparison to the shirt (1995 is when Holly disappeared). I don't know anything about the "Save the Rouge Valley System" project she was working with, but the Rouge Valley Conservation Centre is only 40 minuets from where the UID was found.

I don't see, nor read anything about a prior broken nose and no indication if there is any evidence on the UID about a prior broken leg. FWIW, Holly's link is above.

Was Holly Painter ever suggested to police investigators? I can't find confirmation that she was. Here is some info on Holly Painter's case:


The timeline works in terms of the shirt found (she went missing June 1995), the location is not too far a drive on the 401 from where she was last seen in Scarborough, and I do find her overall features including her mouth very similar to that of the most current reconstruction. She was put forward for two other Jane Does (Hudson River 2000 and Racine Wisconsin 1999), but those were eventually matched to other women.

Holly Painter's teeth were listed as perfect with braces recently removed before her disappearance, and Jane Doe "had white dental fillings in some front teeth and small silver fillings in some back teeth."—does "perfect" mean no fillings or well cared for? Holly Painter had a fractured leg, but it sounds like only one of Jane Doe's femurs was found, so it is still possible. And of course, we don't know if Holly Painter had a previous nose surgery.

I believe I've found the birth month of the male suspect in case the ring could have been his and unfortunately it does not match his birth month—its a garnet gemstone and he was born in October. He seems to be a violent sexual predator based on a 1991 UK sexual assault charge (he abducted a female acquaintance on the way to a funeral and brought her to an abandoned farmhouse—although it appears he wasn't found guilty).

Holly was adopted and her heritage is listed as Indigenous, but could there be a possibility she could have had West Indies / South Asian heritage as well? I can't stop thinking about these two cases, so looking for anyone else's thoughts, thanks!
 

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  • #396
I am circling back to my previous comment regarding Tahiya Shiekh.

I am now quite confident that this Jane Doe is Tahiya Shiekh, who last seen in Scarborough Ontario in July of 1985. There are a lot of things that line up and make me certain this is her, but it requires a bit of explanation. So apologies for the novel I am about to write, but hopefully it makes sense once I explain it all.

When I started digging into Tahiya Shiekh and her ancestry, I was able to find her father's obituary: Naseem Ahamed Shiek's Obituary

His heritage is interesting and important to follow. It explains why I am positive that she is Bowmanville Jane Doe.

As per her father's obituary, Tahiya is the great-granddaughter of Rahim Baksh Shiekh. That is very important. Baksh is an Indian variant of the Persian "Bakhsh" and is unique to a handful of locations. Mainly the Indian subcontinent; and Trinidad and Tobago, & Guyana.

I remember this quote from the Dna Doe Project:


Interesting that there is also a connection to Persia (now known as Iran). I wonder if this accounts for the 0.48% Western Asia DNA in our Jane Doe? (Western Asia is more commonly known as the Middle East)

- Tahiya's paternal grandmother is Atta Mohammed. "Atta" is a forename Muslim name (primarily within Pakistan and Egypt) and is a variant of "Ata" a West African name. I wonder if this accounts for the 1.82% North-East African DNA.

-
So according to the obit and also my research, Tahiya's father is Tanzanian & Pakistani (50% Sub-Saharan Africa & 50% South Asian). Looking into her mother side, she is primarily Sub-Saharan African as well (Tanzania), but she appears to have some roots in the Mediterranean and around the Baltic Sea (Greece/Portugal/Spain) but not by much.

Knowing all this, we can deduce that Tayhia is approximately 75% sub-Saharan African and roughly 25% South Asian give or take a few percentages or so.

Let's look at Bowmanville Jane Doe's admixture again.

screen-shot-2021-12-07-at-10-15-41-pm-png.325740

It's not exact but it matches up pretty darn well if you ask me. I also tried to account for the smaller dna percentages that were found in Bowmanville Jane Doe's admixture.

A few more things are connecting Bowmanvile Jane Doe to Tahiya Sheikh.

1. Jane Doe's watch
"Investigators determined that the watch was manufactured by the Omni Watch Company in the early 1980s. It was sold exclusively at the now-defunct Consumers Distributing from 1981 to 1983.

Jane Doe's watch looks like very similar to the one Tahiya is seen wearing in this picture taken before she went missing in 1985.
Jane Doe Watch

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Photo of Tahiya
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(IMHO she also really looks like the recon with the brown afro hair in this photo)

2. The Distance
Tahiya was last seen in Scarborough, Ontario. From Scarborough it is only a 25-minute drive to Oshawa where the watch is believed to have been purchased.

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Honestly, I feel like a lot lines up here. And if this is Tahiya the next question is what have happened to her?

According to Tahiya's case file on Canada's Missing:


We know Bowmanville Jane Doe had a previous nose fracture and is believed to have been the victim of a homicide. If this is her, did Tahiaya experience any domestic abuse? Maybe from A boyfriend? Or a relative?

I have my suspicions, but I won't speculate much further. What I will say is that it is very common to live in Scarborough but work in a neighbouring city like Oshawa. I am curious to know who exactly it was that reported her missing and when. (one of her siblings is a criminal defence lawyer in a neighbouring city).

I hope once she is formally identified whoever did this is persecuted for their crimes. Assuming they are still alive to be held accountable that is.

Lastly, I have sent all this information to the Dna Doe Project and also to Detective Paul Grigoriou. However, I would not be surprised if they already know this is her and are waiting on DNA to confirm. I get that impression somehow.
That makes a lot of sense and while the GEDmatch estimates are not fully accurate, this JD definitely has a unique genetic background that is mainly African American with a substantial chunk of South Asian DNA, indicating a recent fully South Asian ancestor at grandparent level or great grandparent level.
Tahiya matches this very well.
 
  • #397
Was Holly Painter ever suggested to police investigators? I can't find confirmation that she was. Here is some info on Holly Painter's case:


The timeline works in terms of the shirt found (she went missing June 1995), the location is not too far a drive on the 401 from where she was last seen in Scarborough, and I do find her overall features including her mouth very similar to that of the most current reconstruction. She was put forward for two other Jane Does (Hudson River 2000 and Racine Wisconsin 1999), but those were eventually matched to other women.

Holly Painter's teeth were listed as perfect with braces recently removed before her disappearance, and Jane Doe "had white dental fillings in some front teeth and small silver fillings in some back teeth."—does "perfect" mean no fillings or well cared for? Holly Painter had a fractured leg, but it sounds like only one of Jane Doe's femurs was found, so it is still possible. And of course, we don't know if Holly Painter had a previous nose surgery.

I believe I've found the birth month of the male suspect in case the ring could have been his and unfortunately it does not match his birth month—its a garnet gemstone and he was born in October. He seems to be a violent sexual predator based on a 1991 UK sexual assault charge (he abducted a female acquaintance on the way to a funeral and brought her to an abandoned farmhouse—although it appears he wasn't found guilty).

Holly was adopted and her heritage is listed as Indigenous, but could there be a possibility she could have had West Indies / South Asian heritage as well? I can't stop thinking about these two cases, so looking for anyone else's thoughts, thanks!
Unlikely, the JD is predominantly African American with recent South Asian admix. Nothing Native
 
  • #398
That makes a lot of sense and while the GEDmatch estimates are not fully accurate, this JD definitely has a unique genetic background that is mainly African American with a substantial chunk of South Asian DNA, indicating a recent fully South Asian ancestor at grandparent level or great grandparent level.
Tahiya matches this very well.
Yes I felt a lot matched which I couldn’t say for anyone else that was publicly listed as missing. If she isn’t Tahiya then i think she will be identified as someone who isn’t in any of the databases.
 
  • #399
I've thought about it a little bit more. Supposedly there was a considerable migration from the Caribbean and surrounding area around 1960s-80s to Toronto specifically. Most immigrated after the multiculturalism policy in 1971. There were three major cohorts, the third of which occurred in the 1970s, with the highest rate in 1973. Caregiving and domestic work like nannying was one of the main legal ways Caribbean women could immigrate here. The West Indian Domestic Scheme was specifically an immigration program to bring Caribbean women to Canada to work as domestic workers.

I'm wondering if Bowmanville Doe does not appear to be reported in any database because she does not have family here. It would make sense that her family remained somewhere in or around the Caribbean and either assumed she was living a good life or are concerned but have no way of contacting her and/or do not know what channels to go through to alert the Canadian government. Or they don't know where she immigrated to.

As the West Indian Domestic Scheme was mainly between the 50s and 60s, that would imply that she might be a daughter of one of the emigrated workers; however, I think this is unlikely as it would probably have been reported. Therefore, I think the highest likelihood would be that she came over on her own in the 80s. In this case, it would make sense to reach out to Toronto/Oshawa/Durham Caribbean communities, social spaces, and churches.

Another thing I've been thinking about is the ring. If (big "if") she did immigrate from the Caribbean as a domestic worker, she may not have had a lot of disposable income (or she may have, but let's go with this scenario first). By my research, this ring was likely around $1000 in today's money. That's not trivial for a ring that's not an engagement ring. I assume it's not an engagement ring because it was a size 9.5 which is quite large, even for a woman's pointer finger. Average ring finger size in US is 6-7, so I assume she probably wore this on pointer. In this case, if not engagement and it was purchased in Toronto after immigration, I'm wondering if someone (perhaps her domestic employer) purchased it for her or gave it to her. In that case, no family back home would be able to identify it, either.

Additionally, all attempts to identify DNA and dental records in US and Canada have been unsuccessful, suggesting that the procedures may have occurred in a different country, and that would be her country of origin.
 
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  • #400
I've thought about it a little bit more. Supposedly there was a considerable migration from the Caribbean and surrounding area around 1960s-80s to Toronto specifically. Most immigrated after the multiculturalism policy in 1971. There were three major cohorts, the third of which occurred in the 1970s, with the highest rate in 1973. Caregiving and domestic work like nannying was one of the main legal ways Caribbean women could immigrate here. The West Indian Domestic Scheme was specifically an immigration program to bring Caribbean women to Canada to work as domestic workers.

I'm wondering if Bowmanville Doe does not appear to be reported in any database because she does not have family here. It would make sense that her family remained somewhere in or around the Caribbean and either assumed she was living a good life or are concerned but have no way of contacting her and/or do not know what channels to go through to alert the Canadian government. Or they don't know where she immigrated to.

As the West Indian Domestic Scheme was mainly between the 50s and 60s, that would imply that she might be a daughter of one of the emigrated workers; however, I think this is unlikely as it would probably have been reported. Therefore, I think the highest likelihood would be that she came over on her own in the 80s. In this case, it would make sense to reach out to Toronto/Oshawa/Durham Caribbean communities, social spaces, and churches.

Another thing I've been thinking about is the ring. If (big "if") she did immigrate from the Caribbean as a domestic worker, she may not have had a lot of disposable income (or she may have, but let's go with this scenario first). By my research, this ring was likely around $1000 in today's money. That's not trivial for a ring that's not an engagement ring. I assume it's not an engagement ring because it was a size 9.5 which is quite large, even for a woman's pointer finger. Average ring finger size in US is 6-7, so I assume she probably wore this on pointer. In this case, if not engagement and it was purchased in Toronto after immigration, I'm wondering if someone (perhaps her domestic employer) purchased it for her or gave it to her. In that case, no family back home would be able to identify it, either.

Additionally, all attempts to identify DNA and dental records in US and Canada have been unsuccessful, suggesting that the procedures may have occurred in a different country, and that would be her country of origin.
To add onto this: if we're going along with this scenario, I would imagine the employer was involved. They would know that she has no family here and that no one would come looking for her. So - if I had to take a guess as to who to look at, it would be a somewhat wealthy single man or family that employed a housekeeper/nanny from the Caribbean. I would lean toward single man because I can imagine gifting a ring like that to a domestic worker would not go down well with a wife. If I had to guess, I would also say that this happened in the early 80s. The ring design is late 70s-early 80s, and the penny and watch are also from early 80s. I would imagine if she was living with this person, they wouldn't be able to resist the urge for long. I would guess a couple of years at most, leaving the event in early 80s. If I'm going purely based on hunch, I would say single man in his 40s (enough time to accumulate some wealth). If that is the case, the suspect may even be dead by now and there would be very little in the way of evidence, unfortunately, besides the ring.

It is my personal opinion that the shirt from the 90s belonged to someone else, particularly because it was a men's shirt.

EDIT: Upon further thought - I think that is a men's ring; potentially birthstone ring. The bulky and thick band is typical of men's jewelry at that time. Makes sense why it's so big. This sort of puts a hole in my entire theory...in this case, it seems that it was either left with her body (an apology because of an accident? A twisted way of communicating possession in death?) OR....the ring belongs to the same man the shirt belonged to and that is a different crime or situation entirely. Thoughts welcome :) I feel like I went in a circle with this one!
 
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