Canada - Bruce McArthur- Pleads Guilty - murders of 8 men, Toronto, 2010-2017 #2

[Jasper52]

Also it could be possible that Kalon has no living relatives any longer and maybe there is no DNA on file.for him and so maybe that is one of the reasons LE could not link to Kalon.
No offence to Kalon is his family but there does not appear to be anyone looking for him. [emoji22]

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Or, like others, his family lives in another country. They may have no idea.

jmo

 

[Jackeee]

The nose and eyebrows are quite similar to me. Moo


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I see a similarity with the eyebrows and nose. The shape of the moustache doesn’t seem to match the photo on the right. Aren’t men quite particular about how their moustache and beard line up? The photo on the left seems to have a more sculptured moustache. JMO since I know little about beards and moustaches but the eyebrows are a close match.

 

[MyTye]

Thank you so much for posting this. I keep having to report the photos because they scare the crap out of me and I feel if we wanted to discuss them we should on a thread made for that UID, just like every other UID. I know there are others like me who like to avoid those threads specifically because the pictures are too graphic/nitemarish to look at and the main discussion here is not identifying the man. I don’t mean to sound harsh at all and I know we all mean well, I am just hesitant to come on this thread and participate for fear of seeing that photo and having nightmares again as I live alone with my dog [emoji24][emoji15][emoji22]. IMO Thank you my fellow sleuths!!!

Sorry cnmccarthy. I don't think I have ever posted the police photo just the missing person info and photo but I did discussed the UID. I struggle to decide where to post my thoughts. Unfortunately the UID is a part of this case and this is why people likely decided to post there observations with the image. I hear you and understand your sensitivity to the image. Perhaps the image should be restricted to the UID thread? I guess the mods should give us some direction.

Unfortunately, based on my former career choices, I had to become accustomed to these images without photoshop and some times in person. No not in LE but an investigator of another sort. I can't say I really became accustom to it, instead, I just decided that it was part of my job and for me to look and analyse what I saw was with the decease's best interest at heart. I left that career behind me many years ago but I guess that trait stuck with me.

I suspect that the posters of the image only had the best interest of the victim at heart as well.

Like I said... Perhaps the image should be restricted to the UID thread? I guess the mods should give us some direction.

Any way, Thank you for your post. I learned from it and will use this knowledge to try and decide where to post.

 

[MyTye]

I see a similarity with the eyebrows and nose. The shape of the moustache doesn’t seem to match the photo on the right. Aren’t men quite particular about how their moustache and beard line up? The photo on the left seems to have a more sculptured moustache. JMO since I know little about beards and moustaches but the eyebrows are a close match.

I tried to focus on features that change little over time. Hair and facial hair can be cut, coloured, styled etc... Facial features can change with weight gains, injuries, and without getting to graphic, body position during and post death. Length of time before photo was taken after death... Nuf said...

 

[Maple]

Also it could be possible that Kalon has no living relatives any longer and maybe there is no DNA on file.for him and so maybe that is one of the reasons LE could not link to Kalon.
No offence to Kalon is his family but there does not appear to be anyone looking for him. [emoji22]

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In the Kalon Purvis thread, a WS user has posted some new info on possible relations to Bermuda. Possible that's where he was raised, and where family might be living.

 

[dotr]

If true, how bold and slippery. imo.rbbm.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...months-before-disappearances/article38256918/

The source said that, in 2016, a man complained that Mr. McArthur hooked up with him on a date and, while they were in his vehicle, attempted to choke him.

The man said he managed to fight Mr. McArthur off and reported the incident to police, the source said.

However, Mr. McArthur also went to police, to allege that it was the other man who was the assailant, the source said.

Investigators didn't press charges because they were faced with two conflicting versions of the incident, the source said, calling it a he-said-he-said situation.

 

[Purr]

Some leaked details about the violent incident in 2016. It's from the Toronto Sun so it's more sensationalistic and graphic than the report in The Globe and Mail. )



http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/did-cops-let-bruce-mcarthur-slip-through-fingers-in-2016


"Sources allege McArthur and the unidentified man were masturbating each other in the parking lot of a downtown or east end McDonald’s restaurant two years ago.

McArthur began strangling the startled man, a source claims.

The alleged victim broke free, dashed to the nearest police station and reported the shocking episode.

McArthur allegedly hurried to the same police station and convinced the officer there was no crime, explaining the casual sex partner asked to be choked and he simply complied.

The man then panicked and “all of a sudden” bolted, a source quoted McArthur allegedly saying.
McArthur allegedly told an officer he went immediately to the police station to assure them the sexual activities were consensual.

“Police took him at his word and he left without a charge being laid,” the source claims.

It’s believed the occurrence report wasn’t filed, but the source alleged a witness came forward recently after seeing the deluge of McArthur news and brought the incident to the attention of police."

 

[Calster]

Some leaked details about the violent incident in 2016. It's from the Toronto Sun so it's more sensationalistic and graphic than the report in The Globe and Mail. )

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/did-cops-let-bruce-mcarthur-slip-through-fingers-in-2016

"Sources allege McArthur and the unidentified man were masturbating each other in the parking lot of a downtown or east end McDonald’s restaurant two years ago.

McArthur began strangling the startled man, a source claims.

The alleged victim broke free, dashed to the nearest police station and reported the shocking episode.

McArthur allegedly hurried to the same police station and convinced the officer there was no crime, explaining the casual sex partner asked to be choked and he simply complied.

The man then panicked and “all of a sudden” bolted, a source quoted McArthur allegedly saying.

McArthur allegedly told an officer he went immediately to the police station to assure them the sexual activities were consensual.

“Police took him at his word and he left without a charge being laid,” the source claims.

It’s believed the occurrence report wasn’t filed, but the source alleged a witness came forward recently after seeing the deluge of McArthur news and brought the incident to the attention of police."

RBBM. This reminded me that BM also went to the police and confessed to the 2001 assault, as reported in The Star:

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2018/02/23/bruce-mcarthur-in-2003-assault-case-im-sorry-for-all-the-pain-and-anger-ive-caused.html

Court heard that McArthur and the victim knew each other enough to say “hello” on the street, and that the victim allowed McArthur into his apartment building on Oct. 31, 2001.

No sexual encounter took place that day. The victim had thought about showing his Halloween costume to McArthur, the Crown said, but instead was hit numerous times from behind by McArthur with a metal pipe he had brought with him.

McArthur went to police headquarters almost immediately afterward, reporting he may have hurt someone.

Speculation, but this makes me wonder if there are other assaults and attempted murders that ended in BM going to LE shortly after an attack as an attempt at damage control and/or to spin his own story.

 

[lilymoon]

If true, how bold and slippery. imo.rbbm.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...months-before-disappearances/article38256918/

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. This is an excellent example.


This is the second time it has been reported that BM had immediately turned himself into a police station after committing a violent act. First, following the 2001 assault and now this 2016 incident.

Across the 15 year time span, it appears lot changed for/about BM. It could be very telling based only on the 2 data points listed below:

• 2001 - he reported to police he MAY have hurt someone, and did not know why he did it
• 2016 - he reported to police he DID hurt someone and but it was consensual/intentional

Typically, 3 data points are required to begin to establish a behavioral pattern/trend. However, these 2 data points when standing alone, could illustrate his escalation in behavior in regard to state of mind, accountability, moral conscience and ego.

State of Mind: From (2001) saying he may have hurt someone to (2016) declaring that he did hurt someone

Accountability: From (2001) saying he did not know why he did it to (2016) declaring that it was consensual

Moral Conscience: From (2001) being apologetic towards the victim to (2016) victim blaming, stating the victim requested the violent act

Ego: From (2001) saying his life was a mess to (2016) stating that it was an intentional, routine sexual encounter

IMO, based on the above, all current murder charges could easily fit into this pattern of escalation across the 15 years (2010 - SK; 2012 - MK; 2015 - SM; 2016 - DL; 2017 - SE & AK)

 

[Maple]

Some leaked details about the violent incident in 2016. It's from the Toronto Sun so it's more sensationalistic and graphic than the report in The Globe and Mail. )



http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/did-cops-let-bruce-mcarthur-slip-through-fingers-in-2016


"Sources allege McArthur and the unidentified man were masturbating each other in the parking lot of a downtown or east end McDonald’s restaurant two years ago.

McArthur began strangling the startled man, a source claims.

The alleged victim broke free, dashed to the nearest police station and reported the shocking episode.

McArthur allegedly hurried to the same police station and convinced the officer there was no crime, explaining the casual sex partner asked to be choked and he simply complied.

The man then panicked and “all of a sudden” bolted, a source quoted McArthur allegedly saying.
McArthur allegedly told an officer he went immediately to the police station to assure them the sexual activities were consensual.

“Police took him at his word and he left without a charge being laid,” the source claims.

It’s believed the occurrence report wasn’t filed, but the source alleged a witness came forward recently after seeing the deluge of McArthur news and brought the incident to the attention of police."

I am sure the police would have done the same had BM been a man of colour or black. Yeah! We are starting to see past negligence on the part of LE and it's unsettling to say the least.

 

[Maple]

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. This is an excellent example.


This is the second time it has been reported that BM had immediately turned himself into a police station after committing a violent act. First, following the 2001 assault and now this 2016 incident.

Across the 15 year time span, it appears lot changed for/about BM. It could be very telling based only on the 2 data points listed below:

• 2001 - he reported to police he MAY have hurt someone, and did not know why he did it
• 2016 - he reported to police he DID hurt someone and but it was consensual/intentional

Typically, 3 data points are required to begin to establish a behavioral pattern/trend. However, these 2 data points when standing alone, could illustrate his escalation in behavior in regard to state of mind, accountability, moral conscience and ego.

State of Mind: From (2001) saying he may have hurt someone to (2016) declaring that he did hurt someone

Accountability: From (2001) saying he did not know why he did it to (2016) declaring that it was consensual

Moral Conscience: From (2001) being apologetic towards the victim to (2016) victim blaming, stating the victim requested the violent act

Ego: From (2001) saying his life was a mess to (2016) stating that it was an intentional, routine sexual encounter

IMO, based on the above, all current murder charges could easily fit into this pattern of escalation across the 15 years (2010 - SK; 2012 - MK; 2015 - SM; 2016 - DL; 2017 - SE & AK)

If I may also add that he is also learning he can get away with it if he only confesses to an aspect of the crime. I call this LE "enabling". JMO

 

[lilymoon]

If I may also add that he is also learning he can get away with it if he only confesses to an aspect of the crime. I call this LE "enabling". JMO

I agree Maple.



Theorists state all human behavior is learned behavior.

IMO, the data could, additionally, provide a baseline in his level of confidence; increasing across the incidents/murders over the years.

And that confidence level, with high probability, was consistently fortified by not only in his confessing, but also evading LE's detection altogether AND in his success in committing the crimes with repeated anonymity.

 

[Maple]

"Ontario's attorney general is reviewing a request from Toronto Mayor John Tory for a public inquiry into how police handle missing persons files, including the cases of men who have disappeared from the city's Gay Village."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...persons-cases-linked-to-gay-village-1.4567577

Sorry if this has already been posted.

 

[Maple]

Some leaked details about the violent incident in 2016. It's from the Toronto Sun so it's more sensationalistic and graphic than the report in The Globe and Mail. )



http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/did-cops-let-bruce-mcarthur-slip-through-fingers-in-2016


"Sources allege McArthur and the unidentified man were masturbating each other in the parking lot of a downtown or east end McDonald’s restaurant two years ago.

McArthur began strangling the startled man, a source claims.

The alleged victim broke free, dashed to the nearest police station and reported the shocking episode.

McArthur allegedly hurried to the same police station and convinced the officer there was no crime, explaining the casual sex partner asked to be choked and he simply complied.

The man then panicked and “all of a sudden” bolted, a source quoted McArthur allegedly saying.
McArthur allegedly told an officer he went immediately to the police station to assure them the sexual activities were consensual.

“Police took him at his word and he left without a charge being laid,” the source claims.

It’s believed the occurrence report wasn’t filed, but the source alleged a witness came forward recently after seeing the deluge of McArthur news and brought the incident to the attention of police."

Do we know if they were inside BM's car while engaging sexually? I wonder if forensic DNA analysis can be done inside his van to identify some of the victims? I am not sure if this is at all possible.

 

[dotr]

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. This is an excellent example.


This is the second time it has been reported that BM had immediately turned himself into a police station after committing a violent act. First, following the 2001 assault and now this 2016 incident.

Across the 15 year time span, it appears lot changed for/about BM. It could be very telling based only on the 2 data points listed below:

• 2001 - he reported to police he MAY have hurt someone, and did not know why he did it
• 2016 - he reported to police he DID hurt someone and but it was consensual/intentional

Typically, 3 data points are required to begin to establish a behavioral pattern/trend. However, these 2 data points when standing alone, could illustrate his escalation in behavior in regard to state of mind, accountability, moral conscience and ego.

State of Mind: From (2001) saying he may have hurt someone to (2016) declaring that he did hurt someone

Accountability: From (2001) saying he did not know why he did it to (2016) declaring that it was consensual

Moral Conscience: From (2001) being apologetic towards the victim to (2016) victim blaming, stating the victim requested the violent act

Ego: From (2001) saying his life was a mess to (2016) stating that it was an intentional, routine sexual encounter

IMO, based on the above, all current murder charges could easily fit into this pattern of escalation across the 15 years (2010 - SK; 2012 - MK; 2015 - SM; 2016 - DL; 2017 - SE & AK)

Early flickers of the behavior, imo.rbbm.
http://nationalpost.com/feature/bruce-mcarthur-small-town-sock-salesman-to-accused-serial-killer

MacEachern grew up with a Bruce McArthur. They went to the same one-room schoolhouse outside Woodville, Ont. But it couldn’t be the same Bruce, he thought. It couldn’t be the clean-cut Bruce from Palestine Road who tattled on his classmates and sucked up to the teacher.

 

[lilymoon]

Do we know if they were inside BM's car while engaging sexually? I wonder if forensic DNA analysis can be done inside his van to identify some of the victims? I am not sure if this is at all possible.

Good question Maple.

Sources have reported vague information around specific locations used during his act of committing the crimes.

However to date, the men that have come forward and have been interviewed in the press, have shared that all their personal encounters had occurred either in BM's apartment or in his vehicles.

During the missing persons investigation(s) and as well as during this current murder investigation - no sources (LE or family/friends) reported that any evidence was found at victim's homes - specifically a crime scene to indicate a murder had occurred there. That would suggest that murders took place elsewhere.

Could indicate BM's preference to only have personal encounters or commit murders strictly within his personal spaces (his vehicles or apartment). And also could fit the model of his need to control all aspects within that criminal environment.

On the flip side, it could also suggest as to why LE is now considering sudden death cases. Should BM have murdered outside of the comforts of his apartment/vehicles, he may have been forced, beyond his control of the environment, to leave victims behind in their own homes.

 

[JDG]

Early flickers of the behavior, imo.rbbm.
http://nationalpost.com/feature/bruce-mcarthur-small-town-sock-salesman-to-accused-serial-killer

totally agree. as a child he ran to tattle on others and possibly get himself off the hook in school.

This is just the adult version, dash off to the police to put the onus on the other person and claim they consented to being hurt. It might not work every time but seems to have been very successful for BM.

Show me the boy at seven, I'll show you the man. Paraphrased from Aristotle.

 

[lilymoon]

During the press conference Monday, the Chief Forensics Pathologist spoke about the ongoing investigation in determining the victims' CODs. He stated they wanted a complete data set across all victims that would have positive or negative findings (rule out/confirm).

The criteria he listed at the conference were the following: disease, chemical (toxicology), injury

To date, there have been multiple sources reporting drug use, either by BM or that BM had administered:

• Amyl nitrates - 'poppers' taken by BM, as recorded in his 2001 assault charge
  

• GHB - 'date rape drug', BM administered to victim, as reported in Mar 06/18 interview
  

IMO, it could be likely that LE would use the findings from the toxicology reports, in addition to confirming CODs, to also review/establish possible links between BM and sudden death cases.

 

[Maple]

During the press conference Monday, the Chief Forensics Pathologist spoke about the ongoing investigation in determining the victims' CODs. He stated they wanted a complete data set across all victims that would have positive or negative findings (rule out/confirm).

The criteria he listed at the conference were the following: disease, chemical (toxicology), injury

To date, there have been multiple sources reporting drug use, either by BM or that BM had administered:

• Amyl nitrates - 'poppers' taken by BM, as recorded in his 2001 assault charge
  

• GHB - 'date rape drug', BM administered to victim, as reported in Mar 06/18 interview
  

IMO, it could be likely that LE would use the findings from the toxicology reports, in addition to confirming CODs, to also review/establish possible links between BM and sudden death cases.

That's a really good speculation! I don't know much about forensic analysis, but can toxicology be done on a decomposed body? Sorry, if my qustion sounds naive.

 

[Maple]

Good question Maple.

Sources have reported vague information around specific locations used during his act of committing the crimes.

However to date, the men that have come forward and have been interviewed in the press, have shared that all their personal encounters had occurred either in BM's apartment or in his vehicles.

During the missing persons investigation(s) and as well as during this current murder investigation - no sources (LE or family/friends) reported that any evidence was found at victim's homes - specifically a crime scene to indicate a murder had occurred there. That would suggest that murders took place elsewhere.

Could indicate BM's preference to only have personal encounters or commit murders strictly within his personal spaces (his vehicles or apartment). And also could fit the model of his need to control all aspects within that criminal environment.

On the flip side, it could also suggest as to why LE is now considering sudden death cases. Should BM have murdered outside of the comforts of his apartment/vehicles, he may have been forced, beyond his control of the environment, to leave victims behind in their own homes.

That's a really good analysis. Thanks!