Canada - Bruce McArthur- Pleads Guilty - murders of 8 men, Toronto, 2010-2017 #2

[cstewart0985]

I don't know if you are part of this group, but this admin allows people to suggest that Andrew Kinsman was BM's accomplice and bans people who argue with the people saying so. She loves the power of adminning that group and doesn't care at all about the victims. She is also okay with people posting homophobic and racist comments. That group made me very thankful for this forum. I expect this will be deleted but I was one of the people she removed, for telling people it's very hurtful to Andrew's friends to see people saying that. She did not ban the people who are spreading this rumour, only people who asked them not to make up such lies.

There is a LGBTQ2 friendly FB group Most of us were banned from that other group for sticking up for Andrew.


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[lcid]

There is a LGBTQ2 friendly FB group Most of us were banned from that other group for sticking up for Andrew.


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I'm in it! Good riddance to the other one.

 

[cstewart0985]

I'm in it! Good riddance to the other one.

Moreso letting others know that it exists. Not that we want it getting too huge, but for those that need the inclusive space to discuss it, it’s an option


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[lilymoon]

A lengthy (Centennial College online student newspaper) article, summarizing many earlier reports.

https://torontoobserver.ca/special-reports/torontos-missing-and-murdered-men/

[FONT=&amp]Even still, a serial murderer is not just born that way, as Reid pointed out. She explained that the development of a serial killer can stem from a poor relationship with parents or guardians, which keeps them from having warm, caring personality traits, and developing social ties with people. This leads to them turning inward, she continued and fantasizing about a world where they have power, control, and domination.
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[FONT=&amp]Anyone can experience this and not become violent, but serial killers do, she explained, while glancing at a photo of Ted Bundy pinned to her office wall, and it is usually due to a strong sexual desire. At some point down the line, they cannot keep these urges under control.
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[FONT=&amp]“Fantasy is not enough for them,” Reid said. They start feeling the need to live out their desires by committing small crimes, and then become increasingly violent, eventually leading to outright homicide.
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[FONT=&amp]“Some people will fantasize for years or decades before they act,” she said.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Arntfield, who has written books on crime and serial killers, said a major red-flag is a history of making obscene phone calls to people.
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[FONT=&amp]“That is actually an antecedent to often very sadistic behaviour,” he said, adding that the joy a person gets by terrorizing strangers on the phone leads them to become more confident, adventurous, and dangerous.

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[FONT=&amp]Serial killers come in a variety of forms, as Arntfield’s research shows. One category of a serial murderer is what he calls “The Poacher” or “The Commuter Killer”. This person chooses a career that allows them to be mobile, so they can conceal their more sinister actions as they move from place to place.
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[FONT=&amp]“A job on the road, whether it’s as a trucker or a travelling salesman, is among the best covers,” he said.
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[FONT=&amp]As they claim their victims, Arntfield said, they tend to space out their murders over time. Serial killers experience a cooling-off period between murders, he said. During this time, they find other ways of “compensating for their urges,” but there is eventually a personal trigger that brings them back to that bloodlust.[/FONT]

~RBBM

 

[lilymoon]

From the interviewer's perspective:

http://thegayguidenetwork.com/society-a-surviving-victim-of-bruce-mcarthur-shares-his-story/

 

[andreww]

I am curious to know, are you aware of if he has had interaction with the general population at the facility and if so, has there been any conflict with those who match the general description of his victims? Also, I am aware that the guards in charge of Bernardo's supervision have (from what I have heard from an individual close to one of the guards) have made things a little more difficult for him, are you aware if this is the case with BM?

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BM is segregated, so he has no dealings with the general population. As far as Bernardo goes, in Kingston he was segregated. Still, they had to put up a plexiglass cover in front of his cell because other inmates were spitting on him and throwing urine at him. In Millhaven he is in general population and works in the library.

 

[LoyalSleuth]

BM is segregated, so he has no dealings with the general population. As far as Bernardo goes, in Kingston he was segregated. Still, they had to put up a plexiglass cover in front of his cell because other inmates were spitting on him and throwing urine at him. In Millhaven he is in general population and works in the library.

PB is in general population?
Wow that is surprising...

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[andreww]

PB is in general population?
Wow that is surprising...

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Yes, that is what I've been told.

 

[lilymoon]

Quick blurb(s) outlining a serial killer's organization (organized vs. disorganized), social pattern (nonsocial vs. asocial), and motive method (act focused vs. process focused):

http://www.criminalmindsfanwiki.com/page/Behaviour+&+Classification

The criminologists Ronald Holmes, Stephan Holmes, and James De Burger classified serial killers based on their motives. This method is more accurate because it represents the psychological aspect of classification. According to Holmes, Holmes, and De Burger, there are two ways of classifying serial killers: one is based on motive and one based on organizational and social patterns.

The motive method is called Holmes typology, for Ronald M. and Stephen T. Holmes, authors of numerous textbooks on serial murder and violent crime. According to Holmes typology, serial killers can be act-focused (who kill quickly), or process-focused (who kill slowly). For act-focused killers, killing is simply about the act itself. Process-focused serial killers get enjoyment from torture and the slow death of their victims.

http://www.criminalmindsfanwiki.com/page/SERIAL+KILLERS+(Organized+v+Disorganized)

One must understand, however, that these typographies are generalizations and are limited. They do not take into account the continuum that a serial killer may go through as the murders increase. Some serial killers may begin as a disorganized killer, but after several murders, may become more careful and morph into an organized killer. On the other hand, going from an organized to disorganized killer, Ted Bundy was quoted as saying, “The first time you are careful. By the thirtieth time, you can't remember where you left the lug wrench.” The continuum can go both ways of which the homicide detective must be cognizant.

Psychological phases of a serial killer (aura, trolling, wooing, capture, murder, totem, depression):

http://www.criminalmindsfanwiki.com/page/Psychological+Phases

There are seven psychological phases a serial killer goes through in his mind. They were identified and described by psychologist Joel Norris in 1988. Norris worked on the defense teams of several convicted killers from Georgia and completed 500 interviews with such individuals, during which he identified the following phases.

IMO: Above sites, list categories and definitions in simple language. All loosely cite scholarly articles to support information; full length articles can be further sourced in papers published in various scientific journals.

 

[Maple]

I also think he was getting sloppy. Leaving a car too close to a house he used to store his supplies. Putting them in planters that could be traced back to him easily. if somebody decided to move and scrapped those planters 4 months or something later, they'd be potentially found. I actually think the planter idea was stupid. Too many houses are being bought and resold and then torn down and rebuilt so quick these days, the risk goes way up. He had access to rural areas and excuses to be out there. There is far less chance they would ever be found in an area like Madoc which he traveled to as frequently as every other day. He got sloppy.

I speculate that he had done this for so long and hadn't been caught, so he went about it with a brazen attitude.

 

[JDG]

Re: Suicide attempt. I was speaking with a social worker at the facility McArthur is being held yesterday. He is actually on her case list. She confirmed that BA did actually try and swallow his glasses, but they did not consider it to be a real suicide attempt, more for attention than anything. This is the second employee of the facility that has told me it did happen.

IF true, your sources are breaking privacy issues and should be sacked.

It still falls under hearsay/rumour unless you have a link to MSM??

 

[dotr]

http://thegayguidenetwork.com/society-a-surviving-victim-of-bruce-mcarthur-shares-his-story/

[h=1]SOCIETY :: A Surviving Victim Of Bruce McArthur Shares His Story[/h] By GGN on March 15, 2018

Cribbin, known to many as Mr. Leatherman Toronto 2005, shared with my colleague Arlene Bynon and I a story now broadly known since we broke it last week, in partnership with Global News: Thanks to timing that can only be called ‘divine,’ Cribbin just barely escaped being one of alleged serial killer Bruce McArthur’s victims. “He had me in a kill position,” Cribbin states.
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Cribbin’s story, told exclusively to Bynon and myself, is harrowing, haunts me still – yet is also inspirational. Bravely, Cribbin is determined not to let McArthur win, and has his mind set on re-claiming the parts of himself McArthur tried to take away

https://www.gofundme.com/websleuths-is-on-the-brink

 

[Maple]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...ject-houston-missing-bruce-mcarthur-1.4579635

According to court documents, Kareema said she reported her husband missing shortly after their last, brief conversation on Dec. 29, 2010. She said that he told her he was at work with co-workers and would be home later that night.

The wife of one of three men — whose disappearances launched an investigation now linked to alleged serial killer Bruce McArthur — said she learned from police months earlier that her missing husband led a double life and likely did not want to be found.

As well, Kareema told police she had her husband's passport and that she didn't believe he had any credit cards.

"The last time I spoke to him he was working overtime to make sure his kids get all the things that were on their wish list for Christmas..."

 

[Maple]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ce-mcarthur-hid-in-plain-sight-for-years.html

Navaratnam disappeared on Sept. 6, 2010, two weeks after McArthur’s daughter was married in Windsor.

Another man, Abdulbasir Faizi, 42, disappeared on Dec. 29, 2010. No charges have been filed in that case. Kayhan disappeared in 2012, Mahmudi in 2015. The other three were allegedly murdered last year or, in the case of Lisowick, possibly in late 2016.

Who are the "other three?" Is the UID man included in the other 3? Am I reading too much into this?

Arntfield says this string of murders “busts decade-long trends.”

For starters, McArthur is too old, Arntfield says. Serial killing is typically a young man’s game. With testosterone diminishing, serial killers usually age out or retire long before they hit their 60s.

In other serial murder sprees, dismemberment occurs in only about four per cent of cases and, then, its purpose is almost exclusively to make a body easier to dispose of, not as part of a “very sadistic” fantasy. It’s even more unusual, the criminologist continues, when the bodies of the deceased, or body parts, are transported and concealed. When that does happen it is almost never in a city.

By hiding the body parts in planters and giving them to people, Arntfield says the perpetrator “choose a level of brazenness and fantasy that I’ve not really seen in a long time and is very, very rare.”

Most serial killers begin their carnage at a much younger age which means, says Arntfield, this “could be the longest run of a serial killer on record; not only in Canada but anywhere.”

 

[dotr]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/03/16/how-alleged-serial-killer-bruce-mcarthur-hid-in-plain-sight-for-years.html






Who are the "other three?" Is the UID man included in the other 3? Am I reading too much into this?

7 men in total so far including the unidentified man.
New article with focus on A Faizi.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...ject-houston-missing-bruce-mcarthur-1.4579635

[h=1]Man who disappeared from Toronto's Gay Village 'led double life,' wife learned[/h]
[h=3]Divorce papers filed against Abdulbasir Faizi after police investigated his disappearance[/h] By Mark Gollom, Melissa Mancini, CBC News Posted: Mar 16, 2018

This combination of photos shows the six men McArthur is charged with killing. Top row, from left to right: Skandaraj Navaratnam, 40, Andrew Kinsman, 49, Selim Esen, 44. Bottom row, from left to right: Dean Lisowick, Soroush Mahmudi, 50, and Majeed Kayhan, 58. (CBC/Toronto Police Service)

 

[dotr]

Also new, lengthy.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ce-mcarthur-hid-in-plain-sight-for-years.html
By Jacques GallantLegal Affairs Reporter
Paul HunterFeature Writer
Vjosa IsaiStaff Reporter
Fri., March 16, 2018

How alleged serial killer Bruce McArthur hid in plain sight for years

There is an everyman quality to Bruce McArthur — portly, cheerful, “the kindest person” around, according to one friend. Those close to the man charged with multiple murders saw no hint of malice in his behaviour. Neither did police.

Warning: This article contains graphic details.

To his friends and clients, Bruce McArthur was a gregarious white-haired landscaper who brought beauty to upscale Toronto neighbourhoods.

But that pleasant demeanour masked a smouldering malevolence. He’s been charged with six counts of first-degree murder, accused of luring and murdering men, time and again.

This is the story of a man who, under the nose of police in the heart of Toronto, is accused of dismembering and burying his victims; a master of duplicity who beguiled his friends and, despite the red flags, plied his deadly deceit in a trusting community.

It’s an evolving portrait of evil, told through interviews, court documents and media reports, that depicts an alleged serial killer who, as one expert suggests, embodies “a level of brazenness” that is “very, very rare.”


If the allegations prove true, so adroit was McArthur at concealing his butchery — a murderous spree that experts fear could stretch back decades — that even as the body count climbed, he remained a generous bon vivant hosting lively dinner gatherings and partying publicly.

https://www.gofundme.com/websleuths-is-on-the-brink

 

[Maple]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ce-mcarthur-hid-in-plain-sight-for-years.html

Arntfield says some paraphilias are rooted in childhood trauma that results in a person placing “great erotic value on destructive and humiliating behaviour.” A paraphilia is a condition characterized by an atypical sexual desire such as exhibitionism, voyeurism or necrophilia. The person forms a connection between the unusual behaviour and intense sexual arousal.

There are about 500 types of paraphilias. Some are harmless. Some are criminal paraphilias, as seen in the majority of serial killers, Arntfield says. “What happens (for some people) is that you’re imprinted with a certain way of looking at intimacy to the point that rather than wanting someone to enjoy you, you enjoy that they’re terrified of you. Instead of sex being consensual, you would rather terrify people and have them plead for you not to kill them.”

“But this fantasy to kill begins very early in childhood. Experts certainly argue about what the reasons are. The most common kind of model of child fantasy developing into serial killing fantasy is the trauma model where a child might be molested or traumatized, there’s some sort of familial breakdown.

“The child then withdraws into fantasies of control and revenge. It could be happening as early as the age of 5 or 6, pre-puberty. Once they go through puberty, they began to sexualize these fantasies of control and revenge.”

 

[matou]

McArthur has diabetes too?

The women began, unsuccessfully, texting and phoning, concerned he’d suffered a heart attack or a medical episode from his diabetes.


They contacted McArthur’s roommate, worried that “something serious has happened.”


“We were fearing he was in a terrible accident,” said one of the friends at the time. “It was my 65th birthday (the previous day). He brought me four dozen roses and a gorgeous pair of earrings. He helps me around the house ... he’s the kindest person I’ve ever known.”

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ce-mcarthur-hid-in-plain-sight-for-years.html

 

[Maple]

McArthur lost his parents when they were relatively young. His mother, Islay Mary McArthur, died in 1978 at the age of 49. Her husband, Malcolm, died three years later at 57.

McArthur worked as a travelling salesman for McGregor Socks across Ontario, on the road by himself, starting around 1978 after leaving a job with Eaton’s as an assistant in the buying department.

IMO LE needs to look into the parents' deaths.

 

[Maple]

Does anyone know where McArthur lived in the 1970's from the time he graduated up until when he moved to Oshawa?

In 1979, Bruce and Janice, by then his wife, moved into a house on Ormond Dr. in Oshawa and the McArthur family grew. A daughter, Melanie, was followed by a son, Todd, born in 1981. Then, in 1986 when Bruce was 35, the couple bought a red-brick house on a corner lot of Cartref Ave. and lived Oshawa’s suburban life.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ce-mcarthur-hid-in-plain-sight-for-years.html

He may have lived at the parents' house since the mother died in 1978 and the father in 1980/1981.