Found Deceased Canada - Chelsea Poorman, 24, Vancouver, 7 Sep 2020

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[evilwise]

Here is a posting of the property on a real estate site, seemingly from 2014 when the property was last sold (according to Zillow). There is a video, floorplan, and extensive images of the house on the site, but I'll upload some outdoor photos below.

I went ahead and just quoted the post so it could be looked at here on the current page. The area that was speculated to be a dumpster is a patio with a multicolored stone tile surface that maybe might seem like debris from a blurry aerial shot. I think that's a driveway that leads around the side of the house and there's a part of it that would be both behind the wing of the house and mostly under the deck that's a likely place where junk might accumulate since it's not in the way of anything and it would be tucked out of the street's view. I wouldn't use "deck" to describe either of those areas especially when there's a huge actual deck on the second floor but some others might. I also can't see any really apparent way up onto that deck other than through the house but none of the photos really show the driveway side of the house at all. Maybe not it's best angle.

 

[evilwise]

Upon watching the oh-so artistic slow truck panning video on the realtor's page for four minutes I was rewarded with a view of the driveway side of the house. It curves around and into a garage that's tucked behind and there is definitely no ground access directly to the deck without going through the house.

 

[Valerie D.]

Upon watching the oh-so artistic slow truck panning video on the realtor's page for four minutes I was rewarded with a view of the driveway side of the house. It curves around and into a garage that's tucked behind and there is definitely no ground access directly to the deck without going through the house.

Thanks for posting the link with the realtor's virtual walk-through.
So, someone has to go through the house to get to the deck...but police say there was no evidence Chelsea was in the house. Did I get that right? Of course there's no explanation of how this could happen. And apparently there were people on the property including the landscaper who "mowed the front lawn only" and never once ventured around back to see what was back there. Huh. There were EVEN MORE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND on the property INCLUDING A CITY INSPECTOR who toured the backyard of the mansion and didn’t report seeing anything (I'll post this news report below).

 

[Valerie D.]

Okay...an "inspector" goes to "inspect" a home and doesn't notice a body under a blanket on the deck? This is all so unreal.

Discovery of Indigenous woman’s body in unoccupied Vancouver mansion highlights city’s inequality

The death of Chelsea Poorman has highlighted the divide between haves and have nots in a city where many locals can no longer afford to rent homes, let alone buy them

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[5W's]

Okay...an "inspector" goes to "inspect" a home and doesn't notice a body under a blanket on the deck? This is all so unreal.

Discovery of Indigenous woman’s body in unoccupied Vancouver mansion highlights city’s inequality

The death of Chelsea Poorman has highlighted the divide between haves and have nots in a city where many locals can no longer afford to rent homes, let alone buy them

www.theglobeandmail.com

Something's not adding up here. So was CHelsea brought to the property after death? It looks that way to me. If an inspector or those other people couldn't smell something decompsing it means that she wasn't there. Especially if some of these people went through the house and looked onto the patio. WHAT they didn't see a decompsing blanket with the shape of a body under it, or the smell????? This doesn't seem possible IMO. How exactly are the police estimating that she died on the same day. How is that possible with a skelatinized corpse? How did this conclusion come about? I'm really wondering about this. I hope Chelsea didn't suffer something prolonged before her death. I'm beginning to wonder.

 

[evilwise]

I think we should not necessarily take it as fact that her body was found on the deck - hard facts are few and far between so far on this case.

 

[Valerie D.]

I think we should not necessarily take it as fact that her body was found on the deck - hard facts are few and far between so far on this case.

Agreed and it begs the question: where's the press getting this info? News reports usually quote the source. Not so much in this case. Why?

 

[Valerie D.]

Agreed and it begs the question: where's the press getting this info? News reports usually quote the source. Not so much in this case. Why?

The only source that reports she was found on the deck was the Globe and Mail article I posted above (#166). Please let me know if there's a second source for this info. If not, all other sources are reporting that Chelsea was found "on the property" or "in the backyard". We should take the "found on deck" info with a grain of salt until we find other news sources with the same info.

 

[5W's]

I think we should not necessarily take it as fact that her body was found on the deck - hard facts are few and far between so far on this case.

I agree, although Mike did speak to the contractor who found her body. So it really is tough to say. IMO if he spoke to the contractor then I tend to believe the statement. If one of Chelsea's parents didn't speak to the contractor then I would doubt, but that's not so in this instance.

 

[5W's]

Okay...an "inspector" goes to "inspect" a home and doesn't notice a body under a blanket on the deck? This is all so unreal.

Discovery of Indigenous woman’s body in unoccupied Vancouver mansion highlights city’s inequality

The death of Chelsea Poorman has highlighted the divide between haves and have nots in a city where many locals can no longer afford to rent homes, let alone buy them

www.theglobeandmail.com

I think we should not necessarily take it as fact that her body was found on the deck - hard facts are few and far between so far on this case.

Okay, well if she wasn't found on the deck then we still have some similar issues to consider IMO. First of all a decomposing body regardless of where it was found on the property wouldn't be noticeable??? I find that hard to believe. The smell alone and the decomposing of the blanket wouldn't be noticeable? I don't think so. Secondly, if her body was in the backyard then I don't see how animal predation wouldn't have scattered her bones more and considering this I am 100% sure most of her remains would not be on the property. So I think she was found on the deck because animals would have caused destruction of her remains as the deck is on the upper floor. IMO she had to be skelatinized when brought there because birds from above and other predators would do the same as on the ground but less likely so because it is harder for them to get up there and take the remains down, more so. See things just aren't adding up. I've gone through these different scenarios in my mind and they always bring me back to this.

 

[5W's]

Media coverage has said that she was found with the dress she was wearing the night she went missing, her socks were also found. My assumption has been that the dress was not on her but near her along with her socks. If she was brought skelatinized to the property then perhaps in a duffle bag with her cane and the rest of her belongings that she was found with, her leg brace? Her leg brace probably was light weight so that it wouldn't be that difficult for her to utilize. MOO.

 

[5W's]

I also find it very suspicious that her legbrace, cane (we assume) dress, socks etc was found with her but not her cell phone. As Mike said only part of her cellphone case was found. Her buspass was found as he has also said with her. I think that was to fool LE saying that this is how she got here. Whoever left her there knew that the bus company's footage would be deleted by the time Chelsea's remains were found. When someone (her mother or supporter?) said in news coverage that she was found mostly skelatinized then maybe it was meant that her hair was still in tact with her remaining cranium, skull. MOO.

 

[5W's]

The only source that reports she was found on the deck was the Globe and Mail article I posted above (#166). Please let me know if there's a second source for this info. If not, all other sources are reporting that Chelsea was found "on the property" or "in the backyard". We should take the "found on deck" info with a grain of salt until we find other news sources with the same info.

Her father spoke to the contractor that found her. I believe he said this himself. Again I'd have to find the video. That, I know is available, I've seen it recently.

 

[NeverPersonal]

Wow, I'm glad that there is finally an investigation of sorts. I wonder what they are expecting to find.

Same due to the fact it's been so long, it's interesting they think they have a chance of finding something. Sorry to sound pessimistic but I really don't think anything would be left.

I suppose if one thinks about it a healthy young person could climb over that fence and get in that way.

RSBM
Friendly reminder Chelsea's arm was paralyzed so she couldn't have climbed anything. She would've had to get in through the door or MAYBE a window with help.

I still can't see anything pink. I was hoping someone would circle it on the picture.

It's on the deck, I believe circled by 5W's. Looked like a body to me.

I grabbed these from Google Earth when asking if someone could ID the object on the back of the house. The consensus was that it was a refuse bin. I think someone was referring to the object on the deck which is on the right side of the house (circled).

The garbage itself is strange but I was indeed referring to something or someone on the deck covered with a blanket.

 

[Andreee]

Police searching VanDusen Botanical Garden for Chelsea Poorman evidence - BC News

A large search is underway in Vancouver's VanDusen Botanical Gardens in connection to the death of Chelsea Poorman.

www.castanet.net

"A large search is underway in Vancouver's VanDusen Botanical Gardens in connection to the death of Chelsea Poorman.
Police began canvassing an area within the 55-acre garden in the heart of Vancouver early Saturday [June 4th] after a drone mapped it on May 19, and a follow-up search was expected to be conducted with cadaver dogs to search designated areas on May 26.
The entrance to VanDusen Botanical Gardens is just over one kilometre from where Poorman's body was discovered."

It would be interesting to hear how authorities arrived at the possiblity a coyote was involved. The effort doesn't seem particularly evidence-based from what Lorelei Williams stated: "in case coyotes had carried some of Chelsea's remains" and "if a coyote took a part of her". Seems like a shot in the dark. I'd probably be more sceptical if they actually found her missing remains "in a coyote den".

"Lorelei Williams has been supporting the family through the investigation and was invited to see firsthand what officers were doing. She said investigators were searching through the park in case coyotes had carried some of Chelsea’s remains to their dens."

“They showed me where they’re searching and they showed me what they’re searching with and the way they’re doing it,” Williams said. “If a coyote took a part of her, they’re going to check this part out.”

 

[Andreee]

I'm really surprised to hear there are coyote dens in Van Dusen park! I used to visit those gardens a fair bit and it is not so much a park but beautiful gardens that people visit and stroll through regularly. They arent open very late that I recall, certainly not after 11 pm. Strange to me that this case could be related to the well kept and fenced peaceful grounds of this popular attraction.

 

[5W's]

Same due to the fact it's been so long, it's interesting they think they have a chance of finding something. Sorry to sound pessimistic but I really don't think anything would be left.

RSBM
Friendly reminder Chelsea's arm was paralyzed so she couldn't have climbed anything. She would've had to get in through the door or MAYBE a window with help.

It's on the deck, I believe circled by 5W's. Looked like a body to me.

The garbage itself is strange but I was indeed referring to something or someone on the deck covered with a blanket.

I did not mean that Chelsea may have climbed over the fence. I meant someone with ill intentions climbing over the fence. A healthy or fit person someone who was fully capable, unfortunately Chelsea was not able to do so due to her accident in 2014.

 

[5W's]

Actually I'm also suepised as other posters are that Van Dusen Gardens were a place for LE to look at. It makes sense since there are wooded areas perfect for dens. But my surprise more is that if Van Dusen Gardens was chosen then really animal dens could be anywhere closeby in the city. This is one of the reasons IMO that unless there are some solid leads or tips Chelsea's case is hard to solve, sadly.

 

[5W's]

Now another First Nations girl has been found deceased in a Vancouver apartment Noelle ‘Elli’ O’Soup. I wonder what the circumstances were that led to the discovery of her remains. Like Chelsea this girl Noelle has been found deceased after a considerable amount of time lapsing since she was first reported missing.