CANADA Canada - Christine Jessop, 9, Queensville, Ont, 3 Oct 1984 - #1

[Dedpanman]

These screen shots include longitude and latitude coordinates. If you want to explore the geography of the area using good quality satellite photos, go to FLASHEARTH.COM and find your way to the spot.

 

[Donamena]

These screen shots include longitude and latitude coordinates. If you want to explore the geography of the area using good quality satellite photos, go to FLASHEARTH.COM and find your way to the spot.

What's the squiggly green line running top to bottom in the left side of 2 of 2?

 

[Donamena]

During the case of Mickey Shunick in Louisiana, one of the posters on the thread was responding to the movement of remains by a perp, stating the difficulty that decomp presents for this concept. Because the entire case was flawed start to finish, the physical evidence, along with timeline, witnesses....is one gigantic @£€%#¥!!

If the timeline wasn't so badly done, it would have helped more.
If the interviews had been handled better...
If the physical evidence had been collected better...
If the autopsy hadn't been botched.....
I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said/thought before & better & it's frustrating b/c I can add little more than if, if, if, if, if........

Can somebody tell me, in a pm, I would suppose, who owns the land where her remains were found? And who that poor Towser young man was naming? Whatever became of him?And chirren, does UC not have a verifiable insider rule?

I'm still reading, just getting to your point @ his physical injuries, I just still can't get the stanza posts.

 

[Woodland]

The squiggly green line is the Layton River. It's a little west of the lot Christine was found on and runs through other properties.

The property owner at the time Christine was found was JC and his wife who were there on weekends.

 

[Donamena]

The squiggly green line is the Layton River. It's a little west of the lot Christine was found on and runs through other properties.

The property owner at the time Christine was found was JC and his wife who were there on weekends.

Is Mr Cull a descendant of th original owners of the concession?

I'm having my usual Luddite problems zooming in & out on a google thumbnail. Will try later. The pink teeth, etc... Could it poss be from Layton river? Not sure of timeline viz-à-viz river/barn where, in my not-coherent scenario, the knife wounds would/could have occurred, just throwing mental spaghetti at a theoretical wall to see what sticks.

Much later, chirren, thanks for helping this Louisiana Luddite work it around & round. Y'all are so patient w/ me!! Merci,

 

[jobo]

The distance from Queensville to Sunderland/Sonya is around 50kms. There is nowhere to hang out where Christine's body was found. The properties are spaced far apart on roads that have an 80KMPH speed limit...although you would be hard pressed to go 80 on Concession Rd #4....too rough. On County Rd #2, no problem going 80+...

In Queensville, I am not sure where the kids would hang out....except the park already mentioned.
Back in 1984 there would be less around in Queensville than there is today,...we have to go back quite a while, unfortunately.

 

[Dedpanman]

Here are 3 relevant maps.

Geography of Queensville
Notes:
- The cemetery was not as big in 1984. It has expanded west over the years.
- The general store and the park were the common hangouts for the local youth at that time according to my research.

Newmarket to Queensville
Notes:
- The distance from the center of Newmarket to Queensville is 11.3 km or 7.1 miles.

The Killer’s Route
Notes:
- The distance from Queensville to the body dump site is approximately 49.9 km or 31 miles
- Obviously, there’s more than one way to get there from Queensville, but according to my Garmin GPS, this is the most direct route. Having driven the route personally, I can attest to the difficulty of getting there. I wouldn’t have found the spot easily without my GPS unit and electronic map. This strongly suggest (in my opinion) that the killer knew the spot and knew where he was going.

 

[Chorley8]

Does anyone know if the Montessori Academy School bordering the cemetery (at least seems to on Google satellite) was there in 1984? If not does anyone know if there was another school in that location at the time?

 

[Woodland]

The Montessori School is the former Jessop residence.

 

[Dedpanman]

Does anyone know if the Montessori Academy School bordering the cemetery (at least seems to on Google satellite) was there in 1984? If not does anyone know if there was another school in that location at the time?

The building that you are referring to was the Jessop house in 1984. The house’s architecture has been altered in order to turn it into a school – most of the work being done to the rear of the building. Interesting note: apparently, at some point, way back in its history, it may have been a funeral home of sorts.

 

[Chorley8]

The Montessori School is the former Jessop residence.

Thanks so much do you know when it became a school? Thanks and I promise this isn't an idle question.

 

[Woodland]

Without looking back at some records I have, I believe the school became the next owners and occupants after the Jessops vacated the property.

 

[celtgirl68]

I just came across the thread for this case yesterday, and wow, am I impressed with the hard work that has gone on here. This thread is different than any other I've encountered on WS, in the respect of putting the case through different filters. I think that's a brilliant method to use.

I wanted to ask a question about Kirk Makin's book- DPM, do you recommend the first edition or the revised? You seem to favour the original in your comments, but wanted to be certain before I ordered it. There are used copies for sale on both Amazon.ca and Amazon.com.

I've spent the last two days reading the entire thread and there's a few things that jump out at me as a complete newbie to this case: the fact that Christine was sexually abused- I think that could very possibly have been a big factor (as many of you have already stated) in what happened to her. When DPM mentioned the 'grapevine' theory, that really resounded with me. It also made sense of the strange calls from a man in the time prior to her abduction. I don't know enough yet to really posit my own theory- but I lean toward the abducted from home side of things.

I was thinking one thing that could maybe be done (thought I am fully aware it would be a lot of work) is to go down both paths- the abducted from home and the abducted from the park area theories. But do each separately, alloting a specific amount of time to each, then switch over and follow the other path. That way both theories of what happened are fully explored, but the threads aren't tangled together. Just forgive my temerity in even suggesting the notion, it's just a thought that occured to me as I was reading today.

I rarely post on here, but this case really compelled me to come out of lurkdom. I live in the Highway of Tears neighbourhood, but am only a bit older than Christine would have been.

 

[ttcRider]

I love reading this thread too. Great job laying this all out.

 

[Dedpanman]

I wanted to ask a question about Kirk Makin's book- DPM, do you recommend the first edition or the revised? You seem to favour the original in your comments, but wanted to be certain before I ordered it. There are used copies for sale on both Amazon.ca and Amazon.com..

At this point, I really recommend the first edition over the revised... but, I'm a completist - so, I would read both. If you really want to just read one - I'd read the first edition.

I was thinking one thing that could maybe be done (thought I am fully aware it would be a lot of work) is to go down both paths- the abducted from home and the abducted from the park area theories. But do each separately, alloting a specific amount of time to each, then switch over and follow the other path. That way both theories of what happened are fully explored, but the threads aren't tangled together. Just forgive my temerity in even suggesting the notion, it's just a thought that occured to me as I was reading today.

That's really an excellent idea - and I've been entertaining something similar to that for awhile. Actually, what I'd like to do - eventually - is create a kind of "master catalogue" of possible scenarios that cover the abduction in all the possible locations - then sequence them from "most likely" to "least likely". That will take some time, though.

I'm currently working on a detailed examination of the Sunderland crime scene and all the possible scenarios leading up to her being found in the field - and taking into account all or most of her injuries. It's exhausting, but I'll post it here once my work on it is completed.

I think there may be some new ground to cover.

 

[Woodland]

I hate to be the one to put this thought here, but what about torture with near drowning? This killer had time and is capable of any horrendous action.

Torture is my original thought on possible drowning, not necessarily causing death but contributing to death along with stabbing or the blow to her face. In my opinion, he would have wanted her alive to feel as much excruciating pain and fear as possible.

 

[Dedpanman]

I hate to be the one to put this thought here, but what about torture with near drowning? This killer had time and is capable of any horrendous action.

Torture is my original thought on possible drowning, not necessarily causing death but contributing to death along with stabbing or the blow to her face. I'm my opinion, he would have wanted her alive to feel as much excruciating pain and fear as possible.

Sadistic torture is certainly a possibility. The stab wounds have been described as "teasing stabs" elsewhere (I'd have to look at my notes again to find the source) - meaning the stabs may have been done to inflict pain and terror - not necessarily to kill. Consider how small the cuts in the sweatshirt were (see photo that was posted earlier on this thread).

 

[Woodland]

In Neale Tweedy's words she was prodded.

 

[jobo]

Really Woodland? Could that be taken literally and a cattle prod was actually used? hmm.

 

[Woodland]

Sorry, I should have typed a little more of the sentence.

'... she was prodded with the blade of a knife and superficially injured ...'

The full text is closer to the beginning of this thread.