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Everyone in Summerside, P.E.I., aged 14 to 29 urged to get tested for COVID-19
Everyone from age 14 to 29 in the city of Summerside, P.E.I., is being urged to get tested immediately for COVID-19, whether or not they have any symptoms.
The news came as Islanders got an update on a worrisome new cluster of three COVID-19 cases in the Summerside area from P.E.I. Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Heather Morrison.
"We certainly have concerns about possible community spread in P.E.I., this is why we are focused on increased testing," Morrison said Friday, during a rare second briefing for the day.
"I am worried."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prin...6gEg8ZZxSi_lmbQZA1DEpkmcGNbwnQ27hSGrX7eV5O0_M
Everyone from age 14 to 29 in the city of Summerside, P.E.I., is being urged to get tested immediately for COVID-19, whether or not they have any symptoms.
The news came as Islanders got an update on a worrisome new cluster of three COVID-19 cases in the Summerside area from P.E.I. Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Heather Morrison.
"We certainly have concerns about possible community spread in P.E.I., this is why we are focused on increased testing," Morrison said Friday, during a rare second briefing for the day.
"I am worried."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prin...6gEg8ZZxSi_lmbQZA1DEpkmcGNbwnQ27hSGrX7eV5O0_M
Hope they can contain the outbreak with these measures, given the size of their population, contact tracing and containment should be possible. My relatives on my father's side of the family are from Summerside, I spent many summers there when growing up. Still have lots of family there, with a reunion that was planned for last year but put on hold and we were hoping to have the reunion this year.
Ontario reports 1,185 new coronavirus cases, 16 more deaths
Shorter, more frequent lockdowns could lead to fewer COVID-19 cases, study finds
Fact check: How much does Ontario's COVID-19 vaccine rollout lag other provinces? | National Post
Ontario:
" Phase 1 of three phases reserves inoculations for those in long-term care, high-risk retirement-home residents, certain classes of health-care workers, and people who live in congregate care settings.
Currently, the start dates for vaccinations in Ontario are as follows:
Shorter, more frequent lockdowns could lead to fewer COVID-19 cases, study finds
Fact check: How much does Ontario's COVID-19 vaccine rollout lag other provinces? | National Post
Ontario:
" Phase 1 of three phases reserves inoculations for those in long-term care, high-risk retirement-home residents, certain classes of health-care workers, and people who live in congregate care settings.
Currently, the start dates for vaccinations in Ontario are as follows:
- 80 and older, and adults receiving chronic home care: starting March 15
- 75 and older: April 15
- 70 and older: May 1
- 65 and older: June 1
- 60 and older: July 1
- anyone who wants to be immunized: Aug. 1.
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Interesting article, thank you.
"And while the AstraZeneca product was found to be less effective than the Pfizer and Moderna shots already approved, Sharma [Health Canada's chief medical adviser] said there's no doubt that a dose of this vaccine is better than no dose at all." Well that is reassuring! Kinda same as a kick in the butt is better than a pin in the eye?
I didn't know this about the annual flu shots: "She also noted that the AstraZeneca vaccine's efficacy rate is actually higher than that of other common vaccine products — including the flu shot.
Flu vaccines, which differ each year depending on the flu strain in circulation, are typically 54 to 64 effective against seasonal influenza, Sharma said, and yet they are still widely used to offer some level of protection to more people."
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The argument that a weak vaccine is better than no vaccine, when a strong vaccine is available albeit in short supply, doesn't work for me. Rather than do a half-baked job for a good percentage of the population, why not get it right even if it takes longer?
It's almost as though there's a panic to get everyone vaccinated, so the decision is to be sloppy with vaccine options. Panic should be eliminated from the equation, and a slower, more methodical and quality solution should be implemented.
It's almost as though there's a panic to get everyone vaccinated, so the decision is to be sloppy with vaccine options. Panic should be eliminated from the equation, and a slower, more methodical and quality solution should be implemented.
On the news this morning on TV, it was saying how the J&J vaccine (single-dose) had been approved in the USA, but it mentioned that it also was effective at lessening the severity of a Covid infection, lessening the hospital stays, and lessening the deaths.. so it sounds like the J&J is similar in that regard to the AstraZenica vac.
I found this article:
Johnson & Johnson's Covid-19 single-shot vaccine was shown to be 66% effective in preventing moderate and severe disease in a global Phase 3 trial, but 85% effective against severe disease, the company announced Friday.
The vaccine was 72% effective against moderate and severe disease in the US, the company said.
It's a striking difference from vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, and it may give pause to people uncertain about which vaccine to get or when they can get one. The vaccines already on the market in the US are about 95% effective overall against symptomatic Covid-19, with perhaps even higher efficacy against severe cases.
But experts say the Johnson & Johnson vaccine will still be useful against the pandemic in the United States and around the world.
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...under normal circumstances, there might not be much of a market for a vaccine that is significantly less effective than two others already on the market. But he added that these are not normal times, with a pandemic raging and shortage of vaccines.
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"...If this were out there and we didn't have the Moderna 94-95% .... We would have said wow, a 72% effective vaccine that's even more effective against severe disease is really terrific," [Fauci] said in a telephone interview.
"But now we're always judging it against 94 to 95%. Having said that, this is a vaccine that could have use particularly in developing countries to keep people out of the hospital. It has a very good efficacy against severe disease," Fauci added.
Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine is 66% effective in global trial, but 85% effective against severe disease, company says - CNN
I found this article:
Johnson & Johnson's Covid-19 single-shot vaccine was shown to be 66% effective in preventing moderate and severe disease in a global Phase 3 trial, but 85% effective against severe disease, the company announced Friday.
The vaccine was 72% effective against moderate and severe disease in the US, the company said.
It's a striking difference from vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, and it may give pause to people uncertain about which vaccine to get or when they can get one. The vaccines already on the market in the US are about 95% effective overall against symptomatic Covid-19, with perhaps even higher efficacy against severe cases.
But experts say the Johnson & Johnson vaccine will still be useful against the pandemic in the United States and around the world.
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...under normal circumstances, there might not be much of a market for a vaccine that is significantly less effective than two others already on the market. But he added that these are not normal times, with a pandemic raging and shortage of vaccines.
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"...If this were out there and we didn't have the Moderna 94-95% .... We would have said wow, a 72% effective vaccine that's even more effective against severe disease is really terrific," [Fauci] said in a telephone interview.
"But now we're always judging it against 94 to 95%. Having said that, this is a vaccine that could have use particularly in developing countries to keep people out of the hospital. It has a very good efficacy against severe disease," Fauci added.
Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine is 66% effective in global trial, but 85% effective against severe disease, company says - CNN
On the other hand though, if the governments didn't have to worry so much about the hospitals and medical staff being overwhelmed, significant numbers of deaths, etc., the economy could at least get moving again and possibly so many more businesses may be able to survive, and hence so many more peoples' livelihoods. It would mean people might still become sick, but perhaps not to a worrisome degree.
Also, wasn't it said awhile back that they didn't actually know yet, how long the vaccines would even be good for? ie will we end up having to get one every 3 or 6 months? In any case, one could still get the more effective vaccines perhaps a few months further down the road, when they're more readily available? For myself, I think I'd rather have a less effective vaccine, than none.. and then get the more effective one a bit later. It does sound like a bit of a sham, but if it prevents mass deaths, at least it's something?
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That's true, but if a less effective vaccine is used, such that people are still getting sick and potentially suffering the long term side effects of the virus, is it really a good long term solution? As long as the virus is circulating, new variants will emerge.
If the goal of the vaccine is to merely reduce symptoms rather than prevent illness, it seems like a temporary patch rather than a solution.
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From what I understand after listening to epidemiologists and other public health officials this last few weeks, part of the rush to get as many people vaccinated is to mitigate against COVID-19 mutations, because in the end, the mutations could render all the vaccines either less effective or not effective at all. So if we rush to lower the infection rate, we have less infections and therefore fewer mutations. Safer for everyone in the long run.
Yes, I guess so.. but the only reason they created the vaccine was *because* it was causing severe sickness, overwhelming hospitals, and causing massive death, etc. If this illness was mild in the first place, perhaps they wouldn't have even bothered to create a vaccine at all? ie I remember when we went through the Sars thing and the H1N1 thing, they were doing testing, and then eventually they said, 'don't even bother getting a test because there's nothing we can do for it anyway' (because they seemed to be milder than this Covid thing).
It seems the vaccines were not even designed to prevent, but rather to lessen severity.
Fauci: Early COVID-19 vaccines will only prevent symptoms, not block the virus
http://archive.fo/M1A8q#selection-7757.0-7757.256
Fauci: Early COVID-19 vaccines will only prevent symptoms, not block the virus
http://archive.fo/M1A8q#selection-7757.0-7757.256
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I suppose that's where the use of "vaccine" may be inappropriate. Small pox vaccine means we do not get the disease. Covid "vaccine" means reducing the symptoms.
I think most people expected that a vaccine meant immunity, but since then we've been led to believe that vaccine means something different.
Definition: Vaccine
I think most people expected that a vaccine meant immunity, but since then we've been led to believe that vaccine means something different.
Definition: Vaccine
"a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease."
"She said one model for COVID patients may be an adapted version of an eight-week, Zoom-based treatment the clinic uses for fibromyalgia, an illness that can cause muscle pain, fatigue and sleep issues. She said the online treatment could be combined with one-on-one therapy, making use of the occupational therapist, nurses and other experts at the clinic."
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