Canada - Coronavirus COVID-19

[otto]

I'm still fixated on the "more transmissible" meaning. I'm thinking the virus must be more transferrable to secondary and tertiary surfaces - like an infected person touches a milk carton, I touch the milk carton, I have virulent germs on my fingers, I touch the cheese and the virus jumps from my fingers to the butter. Someone picks up the butter, rubs an eye, and becomes ill.

Is that what 70% more transmissible means?

 

[deugirtni]

....
"The University of Leicester and the Office for National Statistics found that out of 47,780 people discharged from hospital in the first wave, 29.4% were back in hospital within 140 days and 12.3% died. Covid survivors were three and half times more likely to be readmitted to hospital and die compared to other conditions.

The study – which has not yet been peer reviewed – is believed to be the largest yet that looks at what happened to people discharged from hospital after Covid.
...

The Government currently registers a death as Covid-related if the patient dies up to 28 days after a positive test. There have been nearly 8,000 deaths by this measure in the last seven days."
​

One in eight 'recovered' Covid patients 'die within 140 days'

That sounds like a crazy number, I look forward to learning about the peer-reviewed study. From same article:

"New research has shown the devastating long term impact of the virus with one in eight people dying within five months of diagnosis."

 

[deugirtni]

I'm still fixated on the "more transmissible" meaning. I'm thinking the virus must be more transferrable to secondary and tertiary surfaces - like an infected person touches a milk carton, I touch the milk carton, I have virulent germs on my fingers, I touch the cheese and the virus jumps from my fingers to the butter. Someone picks up the butter, rubs an eye, and becomes ill.

Is that what 70% more transmissible means?

This is what one leading expert in the UK believes (article dated December 22, 2020):

He said he believes the new strain is more transmissible because those who contract it produce more of the infection in their nose and mouth, meaning they will breathe more of it into the air.

“My understanding of it is that you are producing more of the infection in the upper respiratory tract and the virus is reproducing faster, so that there is more to go into the air to pass from one person to another,” the leading medical sociologist said on Tuesday.

“It doesn’t travel further, but having produced more it also has properties that make it easier to take over cells in person that it enters into.”
Yahoo is now a part of Verizon Media

 

[otto]

That sounds like a crazy number, I look forward to learning about the peer-reviewed study. From same article:

"New research has shown the devastating long term impact of the virus with one in eight people dying within five months of diagnosis."

Nothing seems to be peer reviewed anymore, not even vaccines.

If it is true that 30% of recovered covid patients return to hospital within 5 months, and 1/8 die, I would say there's a lot about the virus that is not understood.

Latest from WHO and Wuhan is that researchers were careless with sick bats.

 

[otto]

This is what one leading expert in the UK believes (article dated December 22, 2020):

He said he believes the new strain is more transmissible because those who contract it produce more of the infection in their nose and mouth, meaning they will breathe more of it into the air.

“My understanding of it is that you are producing more of the infection in the upper respiratory tract and the virus is reproducing faster, so that there is more to go into the air to pass from one person to another,” the leading medical sociologist said on Tuesday.

“It doesn’t travel further, but having produced more it also has properties that make it easier to take over cells in person that it enters into.”
Yahoo is now a part of Verizon Media

So it's viral load?

 

[LadyL]

seriously who are these people?!

Member of Ontario's COVID-19 vaccination task force resigns after travel outside country

 

[LadyL]

Nothing seems to be peer reviewed anymore, not even vaccines.

If it is true that 30% of recovered covid patients return to hospital within 5 months, and 1/8 die, I would say there's a lot about the virus that is not understood.

Latest from WHO and Wuhan is that researchers were careless with sick bats.

[bbm]

well we heard that in the very beginning

 

[deugirtni]

That sounds like a crazy number, I look forward to learning about the peer-reviewed study. From same article:

"New research has shown the devastating long term impact of the virus with one in eight people dying within five months of diagnosis."

Nothing seems to be peer reviewed anymore, not even vaccines.

If it is true that 30% of recovered covid patients return to hospital within 5 months, and 1/8 die, I would say there's a lot about the virus that is not understood.

Latest from WHO and Wuhan is that researchers were careless with sick bats.

I am understanding that quote to read that 1/8, or one in eight people having contracted Covid-19, die, period, within five months of diagnosis... rather than 1/8 of the 30% that recovered from Covid-19 and were subsequently hospitalized sometime within 5 months.

If my math is correct, which it might very well NOT be... today's 'Worldometer' stats say there have been 96,759,303 cases of Covid-19 worldwide.. if 1/8 of those people end up dying within 5 months, that would bring the death toll to 12,094,912, which is over twelve (12) million deaths, rather than the two million deaths (2,069,135) which Worldometer current shows as of today.

I'm thinking there's something terribly wrong with that non-peer-reviewed study. imo. Or else the newspaper is playing with the wording to make it appear in the worst possible light to create panic. It seems the study is talking about recovered Covid patients who had been hospitalized with it in the first place, and who had a second hospitalization. To me, this article is fake news at its finest. There is a huge difference between:

one in eight people die within five months of diagnosis,

and

of the 30% of previously diagnosed Covid-19 patients who were subsequently hospitalized after their first hospitalization, 1/8 died.

"New research has shown the devastating long term impact of the virus with one in eight people dying within five months of diagnosis."
One in eight 'recovered' Covid patients 'die within 140 days'

ETA: add Worldometer link:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 96,791,855 Cases and 2,069,611 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

 

[deugirtni]

So it's viral load?

I don't really know what that means. I understood it to say that it is where in the body the virus is settling.. nose and throat, with the new more spreadable strain, as opposed to perhaps more deep within the lungs, with the 'original' strain? And if that is the case, then wouldn't it also make sense that perhaps the virus is on its way to becoming less lethal? Just my unknowledgeable thoughts.

 

[MistyWaters]

I am understanding that quote to read that 1/8, or one in eight people having contracted Covid-19, die, period, within five months of diagnosis... rather than 1/8 of the 30% that recovered from Covid-19 and were subsequently hospitalized sometime within 5 months.

If my math is correct, which it might very well NOT be... today's 'Worldometer' stats say there have been 96,759,303 cases of Covid-19 worldwide.. if 1/8 of those people end up dying within 5 months, that would bring the death toll to 12,094,912, which is over twelve (12) million deaths, rather than the two million deaths (2,069,135) which Worldometer current shows as of today.

I'm thinking there's something terribly wrong with that non-peer-reviewed study. imo. Or else the newspaper is playing with the wording to make it appear in the worst possible light to create panic. It seems the study is talking about recovered Covid patients who had been hospitalized with it in the first place, and who had a second hospitalization. To me, this article is fake news at its finest. There is a huge difference between:

one in eight people die within five months of diagnosis,

and

of the 30% of previously diagnosed Covid-19 patients who were subsequently hospitalized after their first hospitalization, 1/8 died.

"New research has shown the devastating long term impact of the virus with one in eight people dying within five months of diagnosis."
One in eight 'recovered' Covid patients 'die within 140 days'

ETA: add Worldometer link:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 96,791,855 Cases and 2,069,611 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

The study leads one to conclude 1 in 8 died only as a result of earlier contacting Covid-19. But it neglects to mention at least two other important factors, both of which would greatly influence the results - the age range of the deceased and other existing comorbidities that existed. It doesn’t even indicate what was the actual cause of death. So what it’s supposed to prove I don’t know, other than creating fear. Metro is apparently a sister publication of DM.

 

[Tadpole12]

Ontario reports 89 new COVID-19-related deaths, 2,655 more cases

Students, parents in parts of Ontario to learn when kids will return to school

Coronavirus: Ontario patients to be ranked for life-saving care should ICUs become full

 

[Satchie]

I am understanding that quote to read that 1/8, or one in eight people having contracted Covid-19, die, period, within five months of diagnosis... rather than 1/8 of the 30% that recovered from Covid-19 and were subsequently hospitalized sometime within 5 months.

If my math is correct, which it might very well NOT be... today's 'Worldometer' stats say there have been 96,759,303 cases of Covid-19 worldwide.. if 1/8 of those people end up dying within 5 months, that would bring the death toll to 12,094,912, which is over twelve (12) million deaths, rather than the two million deaths (2,069,135) which Worldometer current shows as of today.

I'm thinking there's something terribly wrong with that non-peer-reviewed study. imo. Or else the newspaper is playing with the wording to make it appear in the worst possible light to create panic. It seems the study is talking about recovered Covid patients who had been hospitalized with it in the first place, and who had a second hospitalization. To me, this article is fake news at its finest. There is a huge difference between:

one in eight people die within five months of diagnosis,

and

of the 30% of previously diagnosed Covid-19 patients who were subsequently hospitalized after their first hospitalization, 1/8 died.

"New research has shown the devastating long term impact of the virus with one in eight people dying within five months of diagnosis."
One in eight 'recovered' Covid patients 'die within 140 days'

ETA: add Worldometer link:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 96,791,855 Cases and 2,069,611 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

I think the headline is very misleading, and the story is somewhat less misleading but still a bit garbled, but the study is probably accurate. IMO what makes a tabloid is the use of headlines that sensationalize and mislead about the story. I think it's in the job description of 'tabloid headline writer' to "catatrophize worse case scenario regardless of facts in the story."

IMO the study refers to 12% of covid cases discharged from hospital, ie people who experienced severe covid, but did not die.

Back of the envelope, of 100 random people who catch Covid, say approximately 10 (pulled out of thin air) have to be admitted to hospital, then say 1 of them will die in hospital, then of the 9 discharged from hospital, 1 will die within 5 months - perhaps from something other than Covid, ie a precondition.

 

[deugirtni]

The study leads one to conclude 1 in 8 died only as a result of earlier contacting Covid-19. But it neglects to mention at least two other important factors, both of which would greatly influence the results - the age range of the deceased and other existing comorbidities that existed. It doesn’t even indicate what was the actual cause of death. So what it’s supposed to prove I don’t know, other than creating fear. Metro is apparently a sister publication of DM.

All of the people in the study, as far as I understand it, had been admitted to hospital to treat their Covid-19 diagnosis... so the study has taken the worst-affected patients to begin with, those who required hospitalization, when the vast majority do not, and finding that 30 percent of THOSE are readmitted to hospital for some reason within the next 5 months, and that 8 percent of THOSE end up dying.

The story is now appearing in the NYTimes (not that they're much better than Metro, imo). The mean age of people in the study was 65. It seems the doctor heading up the study is saying that people who are released from hospital after a Covid diagnosis need followup and perhaps medications. It doesn't seem that the study was meant to instill panic and fear, as Metro seems to be trying to do. imo.

Almost a third of recovered COVID-19 patients in a UK study ended up back in the hospital within five months — and up to one in eight died of complications from the illness, according to a report.

Researchers at the UK’s Leicester University and the Office for National Statistics found that out of 47,780 people discharged from the hospital, 29.4 percent were readmitted within 140 days, the Telegraph reported.

Of the total, 12.3 percent ended up dying, it added.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/18/1-in-8-recovered-covid-19-patients-die-within-5-months-study/

 

[LadyL]

Community spread of new COVID-19 variants may be happening in Canada: Tam

Ontario Ramps Up Enforcement Blitz To Include Restaurants, Gas Stations & Retail

Coronavirus: Ontario has shut down 61 ‘unsafe’ workplaces since start of COVID-19 pandemic, minister says

 

[deugirtni]

Ontario’s major COVID-19 vaccine site closes

More than 100 Canada Post employees at Mississauga facility test positive for COVID-19

 

[otto]

More information about long term health issues

"He decided to open the clinic after watching some patients survive COVID-19 only to find themselves back in hospital with serious complications, including blood clots in their lungs and heart problems.

"I've seen one other patient who developed very severe scarring in their lungs after their COVID infection, so I know that these people are out there," he said.

It is unclear how many Albertans diagnosed with COVID-19 will go on to develop long-term health problems. According to Weatherald, studies from Europe have documented symptoms such as shortness of breath 100 days after being discharged from hospital.

"So I think about a third of patients will likely have shortness of breath still at three months after their infection."
​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...reat-long-haul-respiratory-problems-1.5879761

 

[Jaanniss]

seriously who are these people?!

Member of Ontario's COVID-19 vaccination task force resigns after travel outside country

IMHO ... this is such an important question .... we do need to know ... and understand why ..... wasn't expecting the travel issue ... still need to understand this why

Linamar doubles dividend while receiving more than $108 million in government emergency wage subsidies

 

[Tadpole12]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...to-end-ontario-lockdown-experts-say-1.5881236
Yes, there's a decline in new COVID-19 cases.
No, it's not enough to end Ontario lockdown, expert says

"I would say you probably want to see about a 25-per-cent decline week-over-week. When you see that trend, then you can start taking about opening things up again." - Tuite

 

[Tadpole12]

Unidentified COVID-19 variant found in severe Ontario long-term care outbreak

"has a mutation in the same part of its genetic code as the variants recently discovered in the United Kingdom, South Africa and Brazil."

 

[Tadpole12]

Ontario lockdown 'not supported by strong science,' says former chief medical officer of health | National Post

Sudbury mayor backs call for northern bubble, wants premier to protect the region

Ontario urged to suspend need for consent before withdrawing life support when COVID crushes hospitals | National Post

Vaccine myths running rampant online among all age groups, Ontario docs say