GUILTY Canada - Diane Werendowicz, 23, raped & murdered, Hamilton, Ont, June 1981

[deugirtni]

or the wives/ex wives didnt want to get involved

They were involved though, and testified under oath.. RB's fiance at the time of DW's murder and her parents. And that was some 17 years later, long after the couple had divorced after a short 3 year marriage.

 

[juka13]

They were involved though, and testified under oath.. RB's fiance at the time of DW's murder and her parents. And that was some 17 years later, long after the couple had divorced after a short 3 year marriage.

oh didnt know that!

 

[dotr]

Concerning cheating fiance/husbands and watching tv..
A friend was once married to an habitual cheat and had no idea. He would say he was slipping out to check the mail, or pick up something he left in the gym downstairs and his wife did not raise an eyebrow although he was actually engaging in very quicky encounters with other women in the building!
20 - 30 minutes can go by quickly and seem like 10, imo. If RB's ex was sitting with her family , the time lapse may not have been noted, if they were occupied with the tv and/or chatting.
Not standard, but possible, imo. speculation.

 

[deugirtni]

Concerning cheating fiance/husbands and watching tv..
A friend was once married to an habitual cheat and had no idea. He would say he was slipping out to check the mail, or pick up something he left in the gym downstairs and his wife did not raise an eyebrow although he was actually engaging in very quicky encounters with other women in the building!
20 - 30 minutes can go by quickly and seem like 10, imo. If RB's ex was sitting with her family , the time lapse may not have been noted, if they were occupied with the tv and/or chatting.
Not standard, but possible, imo. speculation.

i agree that that could happen, however, if on TOP of that, your friend was questioned by police about his whereabouts at a certain time because he was suspected of brutally assaulting a woman in the street.... even if at that time, it seemed A-OK, I'm sure that suspicion would nag away at all 3 of them.. and especially once the marriage, which went ahead a few months later, failed some 3 years afterward, and then 17 years after than, he was charged with not only the crime they had been questioned about, but also a rape and murder of yet another woman? What would your friend be thinking *then*? Wouldn't there be suspicions and doubt, (if there really were suspicions and doubt), and so many years post-divorce, the ex and her parents would have no reason to lie for him, in fact quite the opposite. jmo.

 

[deugirtni]

Further to the above.. it would have been easy for his fiance-at-the-time to later testify that he used to disappear constantly while they would be watching TV, or that he always had this horrible glare in his eye when he ogled women all the time, or that he was rough in bed with her, or that he assaulted her on occasion, or that the marriage ultimately split up because he couldn't keep it in his pants, or.. so many things..

 

[dotr]

i agree that that could happen, however, if on TOP of that, your friend was questioned by police about his whereabouts at a certain time because he was suspected of brutally assaulting a woman in the street.... even if at that time, it seemed A-OK, I'm sure that suspicion would nag away at all 3 of them.. and especially once the marriage, which went ahead a few months later, failed some 3 years afterward, and then 17 years after than, he was charged with not only the crime they had been questioned about, but also a rape and murder of yet another woman? What would your friend be thinking *then*? Wouldn't there be suspicions and doubt, (if there really were suspicions and doubt), and so many years post-divorce, the ex and her parents would have no reason to lie for him, in fact quite the opposite. jmo.

Maybe they simply forgot, after all, RB apparently forgot that he knew DW. imo.
https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...adgerow_can_face_4th_trial_ebook_excerpt.html

During the video statement, which began about an hour after his arrest, Badgerow was questioned about Diane Werendowicz, and he denied knowing her.
Staff Sgt. Hrab told Badgerow police had obtained a sample of his DNA. Badgerow repeatedly asked Hrab how police had done that. Hrab then asked Badgerow why his DNA matched the semen found inside a murder victim named Diane Werendowicz, the young woman in a photo he’d been shown and denied recognizing.
“Obviously it’s up to my lawyer to answer any more questions,” Badgerow said. “Because I, I don’t have any explanation for it. I don’t have any explanation for it.”

“Science caught up to what happened,” Gzik said when she cross-examined Badgerow, referring to the key evidence. “You knew there was DNA. You knew you needed a story. You knew you needed to try to explain it away. You knew it was your DNA even before the police did.
“You thought she would never be able to tell anyone that it was you who raped her. You thought you had silenced her when you strangled her and drowned her. But you were wrong because her body spoke for her. The DNA that you deposited inside her body when you raped her matched your profile.”
Countered Adler: “Robert Badgerow is a man who had a brief sexual encounter one Friday night in June of 1981, never expecting, believing or thinking that he would ever need to remember the many details that, understandably, to him, were unimportant precisely because this was just a fling.”

 

[Claroon]

Maybe they simply forgot, after all, RB apparently forgot that he knew DW. imo.
https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...adgerow_can_face_4th_trial_ebook_excerpt.html

I knew a girl who told me her brother had sexually assaulted her a couple yrs previously. Ultimately, she didn't turn him in because for one reason, she didn't want to see him go to jail. Just saying coverups do happen.

 

[Claroon]

What was that location they gave us for Stelco? I was just looking up unsolved crimes and this girl was murdered March 3, 1982 in that vicinity.
944 Montclair. She was also a nurse.Paticia Paraszczuk (nee Roach)

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=2611.0

" A woman's body fully clothed with a ligature around her neck."http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=75045889

"Crath and Dave Matteson met with friends of Trisha’s at Mellows, a restaurant and bar at Highway 20 and Queenston Road, where she had gone on occasion." (this is 2 blocks from Malarkeys) http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2133765-eternal-pain/

"In 1996, veteran homicide detective Steve Hrab took over the file. Hrab, an abrasive personality, had worked some of Hamilton’s highest profile murder investigations and had been a lightning rod for controversy on the police service.

He was quoted by Paul Wilson in The Spectator in March 1997 suggesting he knew the killer’s identity." (same article as above)

 

[deugirtni]

What was that location they gave us for Stelco? I was just looking up unsolved crimes and this girl was murdered March 3, 1982 in that vicinity.
944 Montclair. She was also a nurse.Paticia Paraszczuk (nee Roach)

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=2611.0

" A woman's body fully clothed with a ligature around her neck."http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=75045889

"Crath and Dave Matteson met with friends of Trisha’s at Mellows, a restaurant and bar at Highway 20 and Queenston Road, where she had gone on occasion." (this is 2 blocks from Malarkeys) http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2133765-eternal-pain/

"In 1996, veteran homicide detective Steve Hrab took over the file. Hrab, an abrasive personality, had worked some of Hamilton’s highest profile murder investigations and had been a lightning rod for controversy on the police service.

He was quoted by Paul Wilson in The Spectator in March 1997 suggesting he knew the killer’s identity." (same article as above)

Was this girl raped? Or any indication of sexual molestation?

 

[dotr]

http://www.lifenews.ca/announcement/4391672-paraszczuk-roach-patricia

Our deepest gratitude to the Ocean Entertainment team for the production of "To Catch A Killer", seeking to unveil the truth in their quest for justice. Sincere thanks to Det. Arntfield for his special interest in Trisha's unsolved murder, airing on OWN April 5th. Heartfelt thanks to friends and family for their participation, love and support. Our thanks to Jon Wells for his crime novel inclusion of Trisha's cold case murder, titled Eternal Pain. Thank you to all that have followed Hamilton's unsolved murder of 32 years. We find strength in your support and your demand for justice. For those that turned their back, fell silent, aided a murderer; condemnation of the highest court awaits

Patricia Paraszczuk (Roach)

 

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[dotr]

Was this girl raped? Or any indication of sexual molestation?

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2133765-eternal-pain/

The postmortem concluded the next day, Friday. The cause of death: strangulation by ligature hanging. The level of carbon monoxide in her body was at 14 per cent, consistent with that of a smoker; the ligature killed her, not smoke from the fire. There were no signs of sexual assault.

rbbm.

 

[Claroon]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2133765-eternal-pain/

rbbm.

Yes, I saw that.

 

[Claroon]

Further to the above.. it would have been easy for his fiance-at-the-time to later testify that he used to disappear constantly while they would be watching TV, or that he always had this horrible glare in his eye when he ogled women all the time, or that he was rough in bed with her, or that he assaulted her on occasion, or that the marriage ultimately split up because he couldn't keep it in his pants, or.. so many things..

I believe one article I read that DRG said in high school she noticed him ogling girls in a negative way.

 

[Claroon]

http://www.lifenews.ca/announcement/4391672-paraszczuk-roach-patricia


Patricia Paraszczuk (Roach)

I see how hard it is for LE to find enough evidence to charge anyone. Someone somewhere would have to hear a confession or remember something suspect. Like did RB or BM frequent the bar she would go to.

then again, I think we need room in our system for "reform." If BM really did reform himself, that is better than taking up jail space for life. IMO

 

[deugirtni]

I believe one article I read that DRG said in high school she noticed him ogling girls in a negative way.

That is purely one's perspective... it would have been more meaningful if during his first trial, his then-fiance had testified something to that effect. Lots of men ogle women, and lots of women can see any type of ogling as being in a negative way. (I forget who DRG is??)

 

[deugirtni]

I see how hard it is for LE to find enough evidence to charge anyone. Someone somewhere would have to hear a confession or remember something suspect. Like did RB or BM frequent the bar she would go to.

then again, I think we need room in our system for "reform." If BM really did reform himself, that is better than taking up jail space for life. IMO

It sounds to me more like it was someone who specifically wanted *her* dead.. someone closer to her.. like her ex husband... whose alibi was that he was with his new girlfriend or something.. not a really strong alibi, if you ask me. jmo. Too bad they couldn't have found more evidence. Was that neighbour ever questioned? Or just a loose end? (the one who had called over that person, and she thought afterward that she may have wanted to tell her something important re the case).

 

[Claroon]

It sounds to me more like it was someone who specifically wanted *her* dead.. someone closer to her.. like her ex husband... whose alibi was that he was with his new girlfriend or something.. not a really strong alibi, if you ask me. jmo. Too bad they couldn't have found more evidence. Was that neighbour ever questioned? Or just a loose end? (the one who had called over that person, and she thought afterward that she may have wanted to tell her something important re the case).

Seems to me the ex's father was out money too wasn't he?

 

[Claroon]

That is purely one's perspective... it would have been more meaningful if during his first trial, his then-fiance had testified something to that effect. Lots of men ogle women, and lots of women can see any type of ogling as being in a negative way. (I forget who DRG is??)

DRG=Debbie Robertson G...

 

[Claroon]

So far, does anyone here know how they would vote if they were on the jury?