CANADA Canada - Elizabeth Bain, 22, Scarborough Ont, 19 June 1990 #1

[dotr]

Reading the hypnosis testimony. I can't believe this was actually done. wow. The man was "a bit taller than Bain". Bain was 5'1" or 5'2". A six foot tall man would look very tall compared to her. If the man was sitting down, how could the witness determine any info about height. Ridiculous.



http://z13.invisionfree.com/PorchlightCanada/ar/t1925.htm

(From Matou's link)
"Q. What do you notice about his face as he looks at her?

A. He’s got something funny with his eyes. There’s something about his eyes.

Q. What?

A. They’re just. Small. I can’t. There’s something strange about them"

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Reading about the blondish man with the 'thin face' 'funny eyes" and considering the early 90's, just have to mention this sex assault perp.recently being sought by LE in Toronto and Vancouver.. includes composite of poi- described either as having blondish, or brownish hair

http://globalnews.ca/news/867408/toronto-police-to-update-sexual-assault-cold-case/

"TORONTO – Police in Toronto have announced a $50,000 reward for information leading to the arrest or conviction of a suspect allegedly involved in two separate sexual assault cold cases.

Investigators said DNA evidence has linked the suspect to a 1992 sexual assault in Toronto and a 1985 sexual assault in Vancouver."

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I'll be the first to admit that I MUST go back and review all of the info about EB's case/disappearance.

So, many thanks to those who are providing links here to make my searching a bit easier/compact/concise.

:tyou:

**The thing that stands out for me is the BLOND male. And, IMHO, there's no way RB is guilty here.**

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

From matou's link (thanks!!):

Today, police and the public know that rapist was Paul Bernardo. Since Baltovich's original trial, media reports and a book have pointed out links between Bernardo and Bain.



Must refresh my memory a lot more, but.........holy cow...........

:cow:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2008/04/24/no_proof_in_bains_car_to_pin_killing_on_bernardo.html

Bernardo told police last June he couldn't recall ever meeting Bain, though they attended the same Scarborough U of T campus. The defence, in pre-trial submissions, said it wanted to call a witness who claimed to have briefly introduced Bernardo to Bain five years before her disappearance and that he had "strong feelings" of resentment toward a woman who "looked a lot like Elizabeth Bain;" a restaurant owner who says he saw Bain with a blond man at a restaurant Bernardo had been to in the past; another witness who says he saw Bain arguing with a blond man in a red jeep at a restaurant where Bernardo had been; and a former student who came forward in 2000, telling investigators she had called the police tip line about a week after Bain vanished, reporting a man acting strangely on campus.

This witness claims she recognized Bernardo's surname (and, afterwards, photos) after his 1993 arrest, and was able to identify him as the man she'd been out with once on a blind date several years earlier.

 

[dotr]

LE .." Did you kill Elizabeth Bain"?
PB..." That's a loaded question"



Convicted Killer Paul Bernardo Interview on Elizabeth Bain - YouTube

 

[matou]

Did you or did you not kill Elizabeth Bain?

PB: that's a loaded question.

WTF?

Haha! I see you quoted the same thing. Crazy. Yes, he can simply answer yes or no.

 

[dotr]

April 2008
bbm.



""If it wasn't Robert Baltovich, then who else could it have been?"

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2008/04/23/did_paul_bernardo_do_it.html

" There is no evidence of rape in Bain's murder. Referring to Bain's death, he said: "a public park near a campus on the longest day of the year in broad daylight ... none of it fits his pattern."

Bernardo left his victims in obvious trauma. But there were no screams heard or blood found in the valley where Bain was believed killed, the prosecutor said.

After May 26, 1990, no more Scarborough rapes have come to light, Kotanen said. We know that Bernardo pulled up stakes in Scarborough and started committing crimes elsewhere, he added.

Regarding whether Bernardo backed in to parking spots, the evidence is that he sometimes did and sometimes didn't, Kotanen said.

There is no evidence how long the cigarettes had been in the car and, besides, Bain sometimes smoked and "it is a brand associated with her," the prosecutor said.

"Bernardo is so hated and feared that when this evidence goes in it has the potential to be devastating to the Crown's case," Kotanen argued. "It will be a new trial of Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka."

 

[matou]

Was the box of cigarettes checked for fingerprints?

 

[dotr]

Lots of stuff here including better video than the one I posted and a breakdown of the interview. Scroll down for points made to suggest PB is "a contender".

http://theutscmessenger.com/?p=4364

 

[matou]

Interesting he mentions Karla right away when asked about whether he killed Elizabeth Bain.

Policeman: Did you kill Elizabeth Bain on June the 19th, 1990?


Bernardo: Well, that’s a loaded question. I mean, are we gonna go back and – and go through the time sequence of what happened in my life? I mean I, I could just give a yes or no answer but there [are] a lot of issues about that.

Policeman: Right.

Bernardo: Like Karla’s or my role. Who did what, where, when? You know this is why I said to you, ‘You got to, you know, go down there to take a polygraph to get, to see if she’s telling the truth.’

 

[SideKick]

Strange answer, what is that suppose to mean?
"A lot of issues with that"!
He maybe implying Karla WS a big part of EB's disappearance.....

 

[matou]

If Karla was involved, he would throw her under the bus and get her back in prison, IMO.

 

[dotr]

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/02/11/12845941.html

""Bernardo has a reason to deny responsibility for the murders and for Liz (if he did it) given that in his mind if he can portray himself as a "reformed" rapist and not a murderer he could conceivably get paroled," Baltovich said. "However, Willliams must know that if he's guilty ... he will spend the rest of life in prison."

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Still waaaaaay behind on researching this case - but do we know if PB had a polygraph regarding any involvement with EB?

Thanks.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

If Karla was involved, he would throw her under the bus and get her back in prison, IMO.

Very true - but do we know when PB and Karla got together? I don't mean 'married' but when did they get involved......with each other and with their dastardly deeds?

Thanks. OK, I'm off to research so as to not bother you guys with my silly questions.

:blushing:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Research for anyone else whose memory is as bad as mine :blushing::

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html

 

[matou]

Read page 46 of this document. I would look here for EB or evidence but I don't know where this "secluded area behind a factory" is. Likely in the area near where PB lived. It seems there are woods nearby where the girl escaped since she was able to hide, but I'm not sure.

http://www.skcentral.com/downloads/ebooks/scarboroughrapist.pdf

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2115946-did-paul-bernardo-kill-elizabeth-bain-/

Bernardo fit the description given at the first trial by two witnesses of a man they saw with Bain shortly before she vanished on June 19, 1990. Bernardo grew up in Scarborough and was living with his parents when Bain disappeared.

 

[dotr]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2115946-did-paul-bernardo-kill-elizabeth-bain-/

Bernardo fit the description given at the first trial by two witnesses of a man they saw with Bain shortly before she vanished on June 19, 1990. Bernardo grew up in Scarborough and was living with his parents when Bain disappeared.

Wow!

"Receipts found in Bernardo's house in St. Catharines show he frequented various stores in, or near, the Scarborough area around the time of Bain's disappearance.

· An ex-Bernardo girlfriend knew Bain and introduced her to Bernardo in the mid-'80s. The ex-girlfriend also had a crush on Bain's brother, which once caused Bernardo to fly into a jealous rage.

· Bain was seen at a restaurant with a blond man several weeks before her disappearance. The restaurant was one Bernardo was known to frequent. Around the same time she was seen arguing with a blond man in a red Jeep in a plaza with another Bernardo watering hole.

· At 5:30 p.m. on the day Bain went missing, a female U of T student saw a blond man on the Scarborough campus staring, frightening her as she made a phone booth call. She wrote a description of him and said he resembled a composite drawing of the Scarborough rapist.

· A package of du Maurier Light cigarettes – Bernardo's brand – was in the glove box of Bain's car.

· Bain's car was found backed into its parking spot, consistent with how Bernardo parked.

· The radio was tuned to CFNY 102.1, Bernardo's favourite station. A New Order recording, another favourite, was in the cassette deck.

Together, the findings raise a "reasonable possibility" and include the "probability" Bernardo committed the crime," lawyer James Lockyer, who led the defence team, told Superior Court yesterday"

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Oh come on......all of that in dotr's post cannot be kinkydinky!!:drumroll:

Question:

Can a person who's in jail be asked to take a polygraph, etc. for "other" crimes?