CANADA Canada - Elizabeth Bain, 22, Scarborough, Ont, 19 June 1990 #2

[Lexiintoronto]

He probably, all of a sudden, needed a phone to use, to have a very long conversation that night, to tell his family members back home, how they should "take care" of a "certain situation"

Zero evidence that the Bain family is involved, they’re victims in this case. The defence had a PI travel to the US to confirm details about his trip. Iirc, they found nothing out of the ordinary. Mr. Bain didn’t know EB was missing until he returned to Canada.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

He probably, all of a sudden, needed a phone to use, to have a very long conversation that night, to tell his family members back home, how they should "take care" of a "certain situation"

Zero evidence that the Bain family is involved, they’re victims in this case. Mr. Bain didn’t know until returning to Canada that EB was missing. The defence had a PI travel to the US to confirm details about his trip.

ETA: OT, but what became of RB and Dr. Mellor hinting that they knew where EB’s remains could be found? And what is the status of RB’s lawsuit?

 

[harry poppins]

Mr. Bain didn’t know EB was missing until he returned to Canada.

That is what he said,

That doesn't mean it's true,

 

[Lexiintoronto]

That is what he said,

That doesn't mean it's true,

It is also what Mrs. Bain said. She is the one who told him. There’s not a suggestion or iota of proof anywhere that supports what you’re saying.

 

[eyesonly]

Lexiintoronto wrote:
It is also what Mrs. Bain said. She is the one who told him.

Mrs B also said that EB arrived home for the last time around 3pm and then left around 4-4:30pm for the last time.
But how is that possible if, as we know, EB withdrew $80 from her account at 3:45pm.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the Bain's being involved or not.
Just pointing out an inconsistency regarding what Mrs B says and whether what she says can be reliable or not in relation to ""because Mrs B said something therefore it must be the truth"".

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Lexiintoronto wrote:
It is also what Mrs. Bain said. She is the one who told him.

Mrs B also said that EB arrived home for the last time around 3pm and then left around 4-4:30pm for the last time.
But how is that possible if, as we know, EB withdrew $80 from her account at 3:45pm.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the Bain's being involved or not.
Just pointing out an inconsistency regarding what Mrs B says and whether what she says can be reliable or not in relation to ""because Mrs B said something therefore it must be the truth"".

I agree with that error with Mrs. Bain’s timing.

I can understand that error, but I believe her when it comes to when she informed Mr. Bain of EB’s disappearance.

I can remember in detail where I was and what I did when I heard about 9/11. I have no clear recollection of the day prior to that.

 

[eyesonly]

I agree with that error with Mrs. Bain’s timing.

I can understand that error, but I believe her when it comes to when she informed Mr. Bain of EB’s disappearance.

I can remember in detail where I was and what I did when I heard about 9/11. I have no clear recollection of the day prior to that.

Hey Lexi, I hear you on the 9/11 issue. I recall exactly where I was too and as well when I heard that Elvis had died.
But I don't think that event can equate in any way to EB's disappearance.
That 9/11 event was a world shock event and had nothing to do with what you individually did the day before so there would have been no reason for you to recall the events of the day prior.
Mrs B's event started on the 19th. She was concerned when her daughter didn't return home to get her books before school started at 7pm. She was concerned when she hadn't heard from her daughter by 11pm. She was up most of the night worrying that she hadn't heard from her daughter.
In that scenario, the days prior events would run through a parents mind over and over. The times her daughter went out and came back. The last time her daughter came home and the last time she left. Was there anything her daughter may have said or did that the parent may have missed or didn't pay attention to at the time.

Lexi, as per your scenario of Mrs B not being able to remember the events of the 19th, specifically when her daughter last came home, then by the same rational the last time she said EB left would be an error, and the description of what EB was last seen wearing by Mrs B would be an error since according to Mrs B it was all within about an hour to an hour and a half time frame.

The other thing to think about is that Mrs B gave these time frames to the police on the 20th.
When they realized by that evening at the latest that EB had withdrawn $80 at 3:45pm from a bank machine as per the bank slip they gave the police, how and why do the police, the crown, herself and Mr B not correct her in her time frame as an obvious error, but instead allow her to testify to the same times at trial, almost two years later.
Which leaves her open to an onslaught of questions if there was a good defense team that would have been able to bring lack of credibility to everything she said if she truely believed her timeframe of when her daughter last came home and last left.

I'm not trying to pin anything on Mrs B's actions. There are just so many unanswered questions that need answering.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Hey Lexi, I hear you on the 9/11 issue. I recall exactly where I was too and as well when I heard that Elvis had died.
But I don't think that event can equate in any way to EB's disappearance.
That 9/11 event was a world shock event and had nothing to do with what you individually did the day before so there would have been no reason for you to recall the events of the day prior.
Mrs B's event started on the 19th. She was concerned when her daughter didn't return home to get her books before school started at 7pm. She was concerned when she hadn't heard from her daughter by 11pm. She was up most of the night worrying that she hadn't heard from her daughter.
In that scenario, the days prior events would run through a parents mind over and over. The times her daughter went out and came back. The last time her daughter came home and the last time she left. Was there anything her daughter may have said or did that the parent may have missed or didn't pay attention to at the time.

Lexi, as per your scenario of Mrs B not being able to remember the events of the 19th, specifically when her daughter last came home, then by the same rational the last time she said EB left would be an error, and the description of what EB was last seen wearing by Mrs B would be an error since according to Mrs B it was all within about an hour to an hour and a half time frame.

The other thing to think about is that Mrs B gave these time frames to the police on the 20th.
When they realized by that evening at the latest that EB had withdrawn $80 at 3:45pm from a bank machine as per the bank slip they gave the police, how and why do the police, the crown, herself and Mr B not correct her in her time frame as an obvious error, but instead allow her to testify to the same times at trial, almost two years later.
Which leaves her open to an onslaught of questions if there was a good defense team that would have been able to bring lack of credibility to everything she said if she truely believed her timeframe of when her daughter last came home and last left.

I'm not trying to pin anything on Mrs B's actions. There are just so many unanswered questions that need answering.

In my view, there weren’t reasons for Mrs. Bain to note the correct time. She cannot recall what she may not have done: check the time and link the memory to when she last saw EB.

Mrs. Bain likely knew at trial that her memory of the time she last saw EB was possibly incorrect, but despite the error, it was the best of her recollection. (I don’t remember if anyone challenged her recollection during the trial.)

The testimony about what RB was wearing and who saw him was very inconsistent as well. (RB said his mother was asleep when he left for the gym—she testified that she was awake and talked to him as he left...his sister-in-law and her husband, RB’s brother, had different recollections of what RB was wearing...)


Is it possible EB left home at around 3:30 (or prior) without her mother noticing? EB could have made the withdrawal and returned home around 4:00 and left shortly after.

If her mother had been in the backyard for half an hour, or less, she could have missed EB making a quick trip to the bank.

I always had the impression EB went to give money to someone and purposely left behind her wallet, taking only a small amount of cash.

 

[eyesonly]

Lexi wrote:
"Is it possible EB left home at around 3:30 (or prior) without her mother noticing? EB could have made the withdrawal and returned home around 4:00 and left shortly after.
If her mother had been in the backyard for half an hour, or less, she could have missed EB making a quick trip to the bank."

This makes no sense because as
you've clearly stated Mrs B made an error in her timing and had no reason to check the time, but now you're trying to rationalize her timing in order for it not to be an error.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Lexi wrote:
"Is it possible EB left home at around 3:30 (or prior) without her mother noticing? EB could have made the withdrawal and returned home around 4:00 and left shortly after.
If her mother had been in the backyard for half an hour, or less, she could have missed EB making a quick trip to the bank."

This makes no sense because as
you've clearly stated Mrs B made an error in her timing and had no reason to check the time, but now you're trying to rationalize her timing in order for it not to be an error.

I’m just trying to make sense of the timeline, I had forgotten about the details. I had just recalled the time of the bank withdrawal didn’t fit with Mrs. Bain’s recollection of EB’s trips from home that day.

I checked back on what Mrs. Bain said. She may only be off by a half-hour with her timing, IMO.

She said EB made three trips out of the home:

-10:00 or 10:30 until 11:00 or 11:30 (approximately) went to check papers at school.

-2:00 or 2:30 until 3:00 or 3:30 she went for a walk (took her car) *I think EB may have actually left at around 3:00 and returned at approximately 4:00, which allows for the time she made the withdrawal at 3:45. *

-Between 4:00 to 4:30 she left the final time (left to check the tennis schedule, would be back in a couple of hours, didn’t return).

^^ just looking at Mrs. Bain’s recollection, no other witnesses.

 

[eyesonly]

A note to all who are viewing this.
What is said below is my opinion only.

June 19th is only three days away and will be the 30th anniversary of the disappearance of Elizabeth Bain.
Thirty years missing is something that should upset us all. It truely is inconceivable and should never happen but it does.
All sides involved in this case have their own agendas and none of them actually include finding the whereabouts of this young lady.
It truely is sad.

On this site, we argue, we disagree, we banter back and forth, we get upset, we get excited and everything else you can think of but it is all in the thoughts and desires of finding Elizabeth Bain.
Let's just remind ourselves of that goal no matter how offended we might be at what someone else says.

I would like to ask everyone reading this message to think about Elizabeth Bain in the next three days and send out a prayer or positive thought about finding her.
Who knows what a collective of positive energy can do.

Thank you and looking forward to disagreeing and agreeing with you as we continue our collective quest to find
Elizabeth Bain.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

As you have clearly stated in your last two posts, Mrs Bain has made many errors in her statements and testimony. There are many discrepancies in what she says, and she contradicts herself often.

She has zero credibility, and can't be trusted with anything she says.

That is why I am not sure why anybody would believe her when she says she waited till Mr Bain returned to Canada on the 20th to tell him his daughter was missing.

Mrs. Bain gave time ranges of EB’s trips. It was to the best of her recollection, which is what is asked of you when you give a witness statement or testify in court.

The bank withdrawal shows her recollection/estimate may be off—by what? Minutes?—that doesn’t make her a liar.

She’s a victim in this case, her daughter was murdered, and has done nothing to warrant public insults.

 

[harry poppins]

Mrs. Bain gave time ranges of EB’s trips. It was to the best of her recollection, which is what is asked of you when you give a witness statement or testify in court.

The bank withdrawal shows her recollection/estimate may be off—by what? Minutes?—that doesn’t make her a liar.

She’s a victim in this case, her daughter was murdered, and has done nothing to warrant public insults.

These are not the only discrepancies in her statements and testimonies, I would suggest reading the entire court documents from beginning to end.

When there is one contradiction, that puts severe doubt into anything else she says.

She’s a victim in this case, her daughter was murdered

There is ZERO PROOF of either of those statements being true or accurate......anywhere!!


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[Lexiintoronto]

These are not the only discrepancies in her statements and testimonies, I would suggest reading the entire court documents from beginning to end.

When there is one contradiction, that puts severe doubt into anything else she says.



There is ZERO PROOF of either of those statements being true or accurate......anywhere!!


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I’m up to date.

The forensic evidence about the blood found in her car is widely available.

Off to look for the ignore button...

 

[harry poppins]

The forensic evidence about the blood found in her car is widely available.

Even in a court of law, there has been ZERO PROOF the blood in her car came from Elizabeth....That has never been confirmed, or proven, to be Elizabeth's blood to this very day!

 

[Lexiintoronto]

The Doe Network:
Case File 1470DFON

Elizabeth Marie Bain
Missing since June 19, 1990 from Scarborough, Ontario, Canada.
Classification: Endangered Missing



Vital Statistics

• Date Of Birth: July 11, 1967
• Age at Time of Disappearance: 22 years old
• Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2"; 108 lbs.
• Distinguishing Characteristics: Asian/White/Hispanic female. Brown shoulder-length hair with bangs; brown eyes.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Bain disappeared in June 1990 and hasn't been seen since.
Her car was found three days later, with blood on the floor.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Toronto Police
416-808-2222
NCIC Number: Not Entered
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information:
CBC News

Doe Network: International Center For Missing and Unidentified Persons

If you have any information about this case, no matter how small or insignificant it might seem, you can also make a confidential call to 416-222-8477 (222-tips) and remain anonymous.

This Friday the 19th will mark 30 years since Elizabeth’s disappearance.

Many people are still thinking of her, love her, and continue the search. It would be a great gift to her loved ones, and to Elizabeth, if they could put her properly to rest and have a place to honour her.

 

[harry poppins]

If you were the family staging a scene why wouldn't you just leave the car in a GO train parking lot, a few that were very close by, and let the assumption be she just ran away? The police would happily go along with that reasoning and that would be that. Why would you bring an investigation down on yourself?

Simple explanation, maybe the family wanted the focus of the investigation to be elsewhere, as far away from the house as possible,

Maybe they were afraid a search warrant would be executed on the family home, if another "crime scene" was not discovered,

If you have a "supposed" "crime scene" away from the house, that puts LE focus on that "crime scene", and there is no reason to search the house,

The longer this dragged on with no clues, the more LE would focus their attention on the Bain House,

Staging a "crime scene" elsewhere is basically throwing a dog a bone,

It still boggles my mind, why the house and property was never searched thoroughly,

 

[Snively]

Simple explanation, maybe the family wanted the focus of the investigation to be elsewhere, as far away from the house as possible,

Maybe they were afraid a search warrant would be executed on the family home, if another "crime scene" was not discovered,

If you have a "supposed" "crime scene" away from the house, that puts LE focus on that "crime scene", and there is no reason to search the house,

The longer this dragged on with no clues, the more LE would focus their attention on the Bain House,

Staging a "crime scene" elsewhere is basically throwing a dog a bone,

It still boggles my mind, why the house and property was never searched thoroughly,

Of course you would want the investigation as far away as possible. That's why you would leave the car at a GO Station. Then the assumption is it wasn't a murder or disappearance at all, it's that she just ran away. She's a grown woman and left. If the family was involved that's exactly what they would agree with and that would be that. No crime scene, just a grown woman who ran away.

 

[eyesonly]

The Doe Network:
Case File 1470DFON

Elizabeth Marie Bain
Missing since June 19, 1990 from Scarborough, Ontario, Canada.
Classification: Endangered Missing



Vital Statistics

• Date Of Birth: July 11, 1967
• Age at Time of Disappearance: 22 years old
• Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2"; 108 lbs.
• Distinguishing Characteristics: Asian/White/Hispanic female. Brown shoulder-length hair with bangs; brown eyes.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Bain disappeared in June 1990 and hasn't been seen since.
Her car was found three days later, with blood on the floor.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Toronto Police
416-808-2222
NCIC Number: Not Entered
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information:
CBC News

Doe Network: International Center For Missing and Unidentified Persons

If you have any information about this case, no matter how small or insignificant it might seem, you can also make a confidential call to 416-222-8477 (222-tips) and remain anonymous.

This Friday the 19th will mark 30 years since Elizabeth’s disappearance.

Many people are still thinking of her, love her, and continue the search. It would be a great gift to her loved ones, and to Elizabeth, if they could put her properly to rest and have a place to honour her.

They do have a place to honour Elizabeth Bain to those who weren't aware.

Elizabeth Marie Bain (1967-1990) - Find A Grave...

 

[harry poppins]

Of course you would want the investigation as far away as possible. That's why you would leave the car at a GO Station. Then the assumption is it wasn't a murder or disappearance at all, it's that she just ran away. She's a grown woman and left. If the family was involved that's exactly what they would agree with and that would be that. No crime scene, just a grown woman who ran away.

Your missing my point entirely,

If somebody was to leave her car at a GO Station like you suggest, then maybe LE would begin a more thorough search of the Bain house, something they might have been trying to avoid,

During that search, maybe other "things" or "items" might have been discovered, that somebody was trying to conceal or hide,

Maybe there were blood stains in the house, for an example,

With a crime scene "planted" elsewhere, there is no reason to search the house,