Canada - Gursimran Kaur, 19, Walmart worker found dead inside bakery oven - October 22, 2024

[Dotta]

I'm not sure that such big ovens a person can walk into
is a good idea

It seems that anybody could walk into this particular oven.

For me it is a safety hazard.

Was she even a member of Bakery Team?

This case is absolutely horrific.



JMO

 

[Cedars]

Anecdotally, I’ve heard that some workers would go into the ovens to warm up, or clean it while warm.

The ovens have timers. So, if she turned it on somehow and suffered a medical event, I think it’s possible it was an accident. I’m not sure if the oven would be oxygen deficient when on.

Self-harm is possible, imo, although the point you made about survival instinct overriding that intent is a good one.

The only unknown factor is if she was quietly suffering from a mental health issue that would interfere with that instinct.

I.think self harm is possible, especially if the person wanted it to be ambiguous because, for example, shame is associated with it.

Also, we don't know the autopsy results, in particular toxicology...

ETA: there are many reasons for self harm, beyond parents: depression, a romance gone wrong, severe mental illness symptoms being concealed...

JMO

 

[Panniniclaus]

If CCTV was working.... the RCMP would see her walk in and not walk out. They would presumably also show this to the family. So, the mother either knows she committed suicide and doesn't want to say it, or the video was not available. If the video was not available there are a pile of options on the table. Does anyone have any faith in the RCMP doing a great investigation? One only needs to look an hour down the road to Pictou for the missing children case.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

If CCTV was working.... the RCMP would see her walk in and not walk out. They would presumably also show this to the family. So, the mother either knows she committed suicide and doesn't want to say it, or the video was not available. If the video was not available there are a pile of options on the table. Does anyone have any faith in the RCMP doing a great investigation? One only needs to look an hour down the road to Pictou for the missing children case.

I have faith in the RCMP, plus all the other experts involved in this case.

I also believe they’re doing their best to find the missing Sullivan children in Pictou. (I’ve lived in N.S. now for over 8 years.)

 

[Panniniclaus]

I have faith in the RCMP, plus all the other experts involved in this case.

I also believe they’re doing their best to find the missing Sullivan children in Pictou. (I’ve lived in N.S. now for over 8 years.)

Great - so it's a suicide then. Is that your conclusion?

Occam's Razor would say so.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Great - so it's a suicide then. Is that your conclusion?

Occam's Razor would say so.

Self harm or misadventure, imo.

The police ruled out foul play. I have no reason to doubt that. N.S. labour department concludes investigation into death of Walmart employee found inside oven

 

[Woolly]

If CCTV was working.... the RCMP would see her walk in and not walk out. They would presumably also show this to the family. So, the mother either knows she committed suicide and doesn't want to say it, or the video was not available. If the video was not available there are a pile of options on the table. Does anyone have any faith in the RCMP doing a great investigation? One only needs to look an hour down the road to Pictou for the missing children case.

The cameras could show her walking in voluntarily and prove that no one trapped her inside, which would rule out foul play. But the mother might still be correct that it was not a suicide.

Maybe she had an accident or a medical event inside the oven that either killed her first or knocked her unconscious. Or she tried to get out but couldn’t figure out how to.

(I have to hope the second option isn’t true because of how horrific that would be but also because I would imagine people would have heard screams and there might be signs on the oven that showed desperate attempts to free herself. And I think that would lead the police to say it was an accident, not a suicide.)

I apologize for the gruesome question, but do they know for sure that the oven killed her or could she have died by other means first?

 

[Panniniclaus]

The cameras could show her walking in voluntarily and prove that no one trapped her inside, which would rule out foul play. But the mother might still be correct that it was not a suicide.

Maybe she had an accident or a medical event inside the oven that either killed her first or knocked her unconscious. Or she tried to get out but couldn’t figure out how to.

(I have to hope the second option isn’t true because of how horrific that would be but also because I would imagine people would have heard screams and there might be signs on the oven that showed desperate attempts to free herself. And I think that would lead the police to say it was an accident, not a suicide.)

I apologize for the gruesome question, but do they know for sure that the oven killed her or could she have died by other means first?

Do you mean something like a cyanide pill? I don't know if it was ever mentioned what toxicology came up with. I saw a demonstration with other similar ovens. if you want out it's beyond simple to get out.

I suppose it might be possible to faint, but what was she doing going to an area she doesn't work in.. to an oven in use.

 

[Cedars]

Do you mean something like a cyanide pill? I don't know if it was ever mentioned what toxicology came up with. I saw a demonstration with other similar ovens. if you want out it's beyond simple to get out.

I suppose it might be possible to faint, but what was she doing going to an area she doesn't work in.. to an oven in use.

Cyanide is not necessay. Any kind of overdose can knock someone out long enough...for eg too many OTC antihistamines.

 

[Luna20]

Do you mean something like a cyanide pill? I don't know if it was ever mentioned what toxicology came up with. I saw a demonstration with other similar ovens. if you want out it's beyond simple to get out.

I suppose it might be possible to faint, but what was she doing going to an area she doesn't work in.. to an oven in use.

That’s what I don’t get. Why did she go there and why did her mother go there to look for her? I wonder if she was dating someone who worked in the bakery. Or maybe a coworker who had been bullying her. Did someone dare her to go in there? That could be one reason why she was hanging around there and why her mother would go there.

It is peculiar any way that you look at it. It just doesn’t add up in my opinion.

 

[Cedars]

Self harm or misadventure, imo.

The police ruled out foul play. I have no reason to doubt that. N.S. labour department concludes investigation into death of Walmart employee found inside oven

They also ruled out safety violations or dangers with the oven.

"Investigators determined the oven was working properly at the time and they couldn’t identify any safety violations that would have contributed to the woman’s death. The department says it found “no broader safety concerns” associated with the oven."

To me, that means she did not 'accidently' lock herself in, as that would mean the oven was unsafe. Nor did she have a medical event that prevented self rescue - that would also mean it was unsafe. I expect there are alarm buttons to call for help, a big button to turn it off from inside, etc.

I believe the findings mean that she could have opened and walked out of the oven, but chose not to.

I dispute the idea that is impossible. If it 'makes no sense', IMO that is usually people's reaction to self harm.

I just wonder why the mother was so anxious about her daughter within an hour of not seeing her, and why she would even look in the oven for her?

The reality behind websleuths cases is usually extremely painful for close family members. I don't understand why people believe the pain is caused by police. I guess it's easier to avoid the pain by denialand blaming the police is a way to maintain denial...

 

[ChatteringBirds]

just wonder why the mother was so anxious about her daughter within an hour of not seeing her, and why she would even look in the oven for her?

Maybe it was out of character for her to "disappear" and maybe her mother just looked all over the store?

I wonder if there is a missing puzzle piece, though. For example, did she have a health condition (lots of ways that could go)?

I also wonder if this has ever happened with this model of oven anywhere else in the world before and if so, whether other victims were determined to have been incapacitated.

It happens more often then you would think with walk-in freezers and other industrial ovens.(Typically an accident, and the victim couldn't get out for various reasons, though.)

 

[Woolly]

They also ruled out safety violations or dangers with the oven.

To me, that means she did not 'accidently' lock herself in, as that would mean the oven was unsafe. Nor did she have a medical event that prevented self rescue - that would also mean it was unsafe. I expect there are alarm buttons to call for help, a big button to turn it off from inside, etc.

I believe the findings mean that she could have opened and walked out of the oven, but chose not to.

Rsbm

I agree that there was no malfunction, but sometimes people panic in situations like that and think they are stuck even though they aren’t. However, if that were the case, I would expect that they would know because there would be evidence of attempts to escape.

She could have had a medical event that killed her before the oven was hot enough to do so or that rendered her unconscious, making her unable to self rescue. I think it’s not likely but it is possible.

I honestly think, unfortunately, that it was a suicide, but that the oven didn’t kill her. I think she went in there to die some other way and wanted the oven to remove evidence of her actions to make it easier on her family. Or maybe she thought they would get a payout from Walmart if it looked like she died in a workplace accident.

Moo