Canada - Gursimran Kaur, 19, Walmart worker found dead inside bakery oven - October 22, 2024

[acutename]

It would be nice for her family and/or a detective to be able to view all of the store's security footage that day.
If they were able to determine the time of death, and also if there were any wounds on the young woman that didn't coincide with be burned ?

hoe they fingerprinted/dna sampled the oven doors and all the oven controls

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

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Nova Scotia lifts stop-work order at Halifax Walmart where teen’s body found in oven | Globalnews.ca

The stop-work order covered the bakery department and 'a piece of equipment.' The store remains closed until further notice.

globalnews.ca

The order, which covered the bakery area of the Mumford Road Walmart and “a piece of equipment,” ended Monday evening.

“The stop work order was lifted when compliance was confirmed, allowing bakery operations to safely resume should Walmart decide to do so,” the province’s Department of Labour, Skills and Immigration said in a statement Tuesday.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

Yeah, I don't understand why the mother was worried? Were they supposed to be working together? Was the mother her supervisor or something? It doesn't make sense to me that her mother, not an other colleague or a supervisor, would be like "oh I haven't seen her in a hour, so weird".

My first thoughts exactly

 

[killarney rose]

Former long term WM associate here. There are many jobs in the store that a person could go missing and it not be noticed for a while. I don’t know anything about the bakery, so I don’t know about that. Obviously some jobs such as cashiers , working a sales counter, door greeter and so on, their absence would be noted quickly more quickly than someone that works the sales floor or in the back.

 

[Snoopster]

Thinking about Walmart's attitude towards both its bottom line and its workforce, I wonder whether Walmart is withholding CCTV footage from Halifax police. I don't know enough about the legal procedures needed if Walmart is not cooperating. Walmart would probably be asked about accounting for all employees in the building, attendance records, disgruntled former employees, potential outside threats, and of course, who works in the bakery section. I hope there is some level of cooperation. We can only speculate here.

The Walmart is a large worksite - employee interviews and evidence collection may take a long time.

IMO, this is not a suicide. I think @No_Stone_Unturned's scenario 2 applies.. I think Ms Kaur was placed in the oven. Perhaps this is a rejected suitor or serial harasser in the workplace. I hope the COD can be established from the remains.

If your potential theory of a rejected suitor or serial harasser is valid (or if someone else wanted her killed) (i.e. intentional murder), then I would presume that the person would have to know about the oven and how to operate it. That should keep the suspect list reasonably short.

 

[killarney rose]

Not just anyone would have access to the bakery/oven.

 

[Snoopster]

Not just anyone would have access to the bakery/oven.

exactly.

 

[Marie A]

I think this is some sort of very unfortunate accident.
I can only assume that someone on the outside fired up this oven without knowing that she was inside it. Maybe she was in the back, obscured and when the door was closed or the oven turned on there was no light to make her way back to the door and let herself out. Maybe she injured herself in a panic when she realized the oven was turned on and was unable to make it out.
Maybe she fainted or had a heart attack and was laying on the floor of the oven when a co-worker looked inside, didn’t see her sad then started it up.
I think this was a very horrible and unfortunate bizarre accident.
I don’t think this was murder and definitely not a suicide.
It certainly could have involved stupidity or carelessness on the part of the person who turned on the oven. I don’t believe there was intentional malice though.
I personally don’t find it odd that her mom found her because they obviously communicated closely and likely took breaks together. Her mom knew something wasn’t right when her daughter didn’t respond.
Horrific tragedy.
Also an aside- I’ve been to rural Arkansas and toured the Walmart museum etc - I think this is a very compassionate company that has had great success by doing things right by their employees. They have got to be horrified by this.
This is a horrible accident
IMHO

 

[Snoopster]

I think this is some sort of very unfortunate accident.
I can only assume that someone on the outside fired up this oven without knowing that she was inside it. Maybe she was in the back, obscured and when the door was closed or the oven turned on there was no light to make her way back to the door and let herself out. Maybe she injured herself in a panic when she realized the oven was turned on and was unable to make it out.
Maybe she fainted or had a heart attack and was laying on the floor of the oven when a co-worker looked inside, didn’t see her sad then started it up.
I think this was a very horrible and unfortunate bizarre accident.
I don’t think this was murder and definitely not a suicide.
It certainly could have involved stupidity or carelessness on the part of the person who turned on the oven. I don’t believe there was intentional malice though.
I personally don’t find it odd that her mom found her because they obviously communicated closely and likely took breaks together. Her mom knew something wasn’t right when her daughter didn’t respond.
Horrific tragedy.
Also an aside- I’ve been to rural Arkansas and toured the Walmart museum etc - I think this is a very compassionate company that has had great success by doing things right by their employees. They have got to be horrified by this.
This is a horrible accident
IMHO

I agree it could have been a terrible accident. But I'm troubled by the descriptions of the oven and why anyone would be in there in the first place. Of course, we've all dropped things that rolled into places that they shouldn't go, so perhaps she was looking for something in there. But that would be incredibly coincidental that someone came along and shut the door and turned the oven on exactly at that time. Maybe she went in there, stood up to quickly, hitting her head, and was knocked out? But aren't the large tray shelves normally pushed in there before turning the oven on?

I'm very confused at this point as to how the ovens operated, who normally operated the ovens and when they normally operated the ovens.

 

[LittleSeaTree]

Thinking about Walmart's attitude towards both its bottom line and its workforce, I wonder whether Walmart is withholding CCTV footage from Halifax police. I don't know enough about the legal procedures needed if Walmart is not cooperating. Walmart would probably be asked about accounting for all employees in the building, attendance records, disgruntled former employees, potential outside threats, and of course, who works in the bakery section. I hope there is some level of cooperation. We can only speculate here.

The Walmart is a large worksite - employee interviews and evidence collection may take a long time.

IMO, this is not a suicide. I think @No_Stone_Unturned's scenario 2 applies.. I think Ms Kaur was placed in the oven. Perhaps this is a rejected suitor or serial harasser in the workplace. I hope the COD can be established from the remains.

Agree, my mind went to a rejected suitor, maybe who works there as well. And/or the serial harasser, as you said.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I dunno...but I feel that if investigation was determining suicide or accident, the store would be open again. Even if there is some negligence over the ovens, that could still be isolated and the store reopened.
It just doesn't seem to be in 'the stores best interest', to remain closed.

 

[ttcRider]

I think bakers come in the early hours to start their baking schedule. Most are gone before 5pm ish. IMO I know most customers come first thing in the morning to get their baked goods while they are still 'warm'. In my experience only.

 

[Inthedetails]

I agree it could have been a terrible accident. But I'm troubled by the descriptions of the oven and why anyone would be in there in the first place. Of course, we've all dropped things that rolled into places that they shouldn't go, so perhaps she was looking for something in there. But that would be incredibly coincidental that someone came along and shut the door and turned the oven on exactly at that time. Maybe she went in there, stood up to quickly, hitting her head, and was knocked out? But aren't the large tray shelves normally pushed in there before turning the oven on?

I'm very confused at this point as to how the ovens operated, who normally operated the ovens and when they normally operated the ovens.

Along with all the other theories, I wonder if it could be a co-worker playing a trick, thinking it was funny and harmless to put her in the oven and assuming she could get out? But maybe she didn't know how to get out, if it's not where she normally works? And the other co-worker returned to work and didn't check on her??

Just a theory I'm tossing on the table.

jmo

 

[Snoopster]

I think bakers come in the early hours to start their baking schedule. Most are gone before 5pm ish. IMO I know most customers come first thing in the morning to get their baked goods while they are still 'warm'. In my experience only.

So Gursimran was found in the oven on 'Saturday night', not when baking activities were normally happening. Why would she have been there?
Was she on the cleaning staff? What was her role? (I'm sorry if I missed this.) How late on Saturday night was she found? Was it after her normal shift would have ended?

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I think bakers come in the early hours to start their baking schedule. Most are gone before 5pm ish. IMO I know most customers come first thing in the morning to get their baked goods while they are still 'warm'. In my experience only.

Early articles stated that the ovens were not in use over the weekends typically IIRC- which makes it that much more baffling- moo

 

[Angelcat13]

I think this is some sort of very unfortunate accident.
I can only assume that someone on the outside fired up this oven without knowing that she was inside it. Maybe she was in the back, obscured and when the door was closed or the oven turned on there was no light to make her way back to the door and let herself out. Maybe she injured herself in a panic when she realized the oven was turned on and was unable to make it out.
Maybe she fainted or had a heart attack and was laying on the floor of the oven when a co-worker looked inside, didn’t see her sad then started it up.
I think this was a very horrible and unfortunate bizarre accident.
I don’t think this was murder and definitely not a suicide.
It certainly could have involved stupidity or carelessness on the part of the person who turned on the oven. I don’t believe there was intentional malice though.
I personally don’t find it odd that her mom found her because they obviously communicated closely and likely took breaks together. Her mom knew something wasn’t right when her daughter didn’t respond.
Horrific tragedy.
Also an aside- I’ve been to rural Arkansas and toured the Walmart museum etc - I think this is a very compassionate company that has had great success by doing things right by their employees. They have got to be horrified by this.
This is a horrible accident
IMHO

I can see someone walking by and closing the oven door if they found it open. What I can’t see is someone then turning it on without having put a rack of to-be-baked items inside. Having watched the Tik-Tok videos showing the ovens, I don’t see that she could have been inside without someone seeing her as they closed the door. Lastly, I thought I read that the ovens were not supposed to be operated on the weekend?

 

[Panniniclaus]

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Nova Scotia lifts stop-work order at Halifax Walmart where teen’s body found in oven | Globalnews.ca

The stop-work order covered the bakery department and 'a piece of equipment.' The store remains closed until further notice.

globalnews.ca

The order, which covered the bakery area of the Mumford Road Walmart and “a piece of equipment,” ended Monday evening.

“The stop work order was lifted when compliance was confirmed, allowing bakery operations to safely resume should Walmart decide to do so,” the province’s Department of Labour, Skills and Immigration said in a statement Tuesday.

This is a critical piece of information here and in keeping with what I suspected. Whatever you think of Walmart, they tend to have very good structure around maintenance schedules and training documentation.

So there was no issue whatsoever with any of those things. Walmart is also making the proper decision to stay closed until we know where this investigation is at. I maintain that you may never see the bakery operational again there.

So now that is put to bed, it's back to the investigation. There is absolutely zero chance, and I mean zero, that Walmart Management are withholding CCTV footage. Less than zero.

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[Chimera]

Walmart worker gives new theory on how worker 'baked to death'

A Walmart worker gives a chilling new take on how the 19-year-old employee 'baked to death' in the store's walk-in oven.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If the oven there at the link, was standard to all or most WalMart stores, the doors are glass see-through; and there's not much possibility of not being seen.
Awful.

It seems hinky, imo.

 

[Snoopster]

Walmart worker gives new theory on how worker 'baked to death'

A Walmart worker gives a chilling new take on how the 19-year-old employee 'baked to death' in the store's walk-in oven.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If the oven there at the link, was standard to all or most WalMart stores, the doors are glass see-through; and there's not much possibility of not being seen.
Awful.

It seems hinky, imo.

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I just want to give a huge hug to the WalMart employees at the store. They must be traumatized.
(And, of course, what her family is going through is beyond imagination.)

 

[Lexiintoronto]

This is a critical piece of information here and in keeping with what I suspected. Whatever you think of Walmart, they tend to have very good structure around maintenance schedules and training documentation.

So there was no issue whatsoever with any of those things. Walmart is also making the proper decision to stay closed until we know where this investigation is at. I maintain that you may never see the bakery operational again there.

So now that is put to bed, it's back to the investigation. There is absolutely zero chance, and I mean zero, that Walmart Management are withholding CCTV footage. Less than zero.

So carry on.. I have to be careful what I post.

There was a stop-work order in a piece of equipment in the bakery department until Walmart’s compliance was confirmed.Ti me, it sounds like the investigators found a an existing safety issue.

We don’t know what that means yet. We don’t know the specifics of what oven that store had or if there was an issue that led to the death.