GUILTY Canada - Jasmine Lovett, mid 20s, and daughter, 2, Calgary, 16 April 2019 *Arrest*

[otto]

From condo in Cranston to Elbow Falls and Fullerton Loop/ Map
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Officers want to hear from anyone who saw a man in his 30s driving a grey, luxury SUV in the East Kananaskis area between April 16 and 20, specifically around Fullerton Loop and Elbow Falls between 2:30 and 4:30 p.m. on April 18.

The bodies must be somewhere between Elbow Falls and Bragg Creek. McLeans Creek road was closed, and it's unlikely that he wanted to back track through Bragg Creek to find another body location. I would like to know where in Priddis the dog was found.

I suppose that's why police are looking at Fullerton Loop - it's the next best thing to McLean's Creek or backtracking.

 

[zecats]

The bodies must be somewhere between Elbow Falls and Bragg Creek. McLeans Creek road was closed, and it's unlikely that he wanted to back track through Bragg Creek to find another body location. I would like to know where in Priddis the dog was found.

I suppose that's why police are looking at Fullerton Loop - it's the next best thing to McLean's Creek or backtracking.

Still a ton of area to search. The road (highway 66) parallels Elbow River all the way. The fact that LE states they believe evidence (bodies?) means to me he would have to go off the beaten track at least a little ways to accomplish that. Fullerton Loop is a good idea. There is a trail there. Elbow Falls pics look more like a viewing area from the road though seems there is access down to them (not large falls). It's an immense task to search all that.

 

[otto]

Leeming claims that he was fired because he was arrested, but he was fired on Thursday morning, according to him, and he was arrested at 11AM on Thursday, April 25. He was fired before he was arrested. Alternatively, he didn't arrive at work until noon (seems unlikely). He was most likely fired for missing work between April 17 and April 24 while he was covering up a double murder.

He also claimed that police were kicking his door down at 1AM when he was drunk sleeping. That cannot be true.

When police were banging on his front door at 11AM Thursday April 25, the day he was fired from work, he wasn't drunk sleeping, he was in his vehicle attempting to flee via the garage. Police had the garage covered, pulled guns and told him not to move. They handcuffed him in the front yard, in front of neighbors. He made a scene. He's still trying to make a scene by protesting too loud.

Here we have several lies:

• he was fired for being arrested (timeline proves fired before he was detained or being detained was final straw. He was at home on a work day. Maybe police asked work to help ensure that he would be at home ? He has a lot of weapons - don't want something to go wrong at work
• police tried to kick his door down at 1AM Friday (it was 11AM Thursday)
• he was sleeping when police arrived (he was fleeing via the garage)

 

[otto]

Still a ton of area to search. The road (highway 66) parallels Elbow River all the way. The fact that LE states they believe evidence (bodies?) means to me he would have to go off the beaten track at least a little ways to accomplish that. Fullerton Loop is a good idea. There is a trail there. Elbow Falls pics look more like a viewing area from the road though seems there is access down to them (not large falls). It's an immense task to search all that.

Hopefully it doesn't come down to a skull in the Fall, although even a baby skull is better than nothing. It's likely Fullerton Loop area, and I doubt he would walk far from where he parked because he has two bodies, mulch, maybe a shovel - a couple of hundred feet is my guess. If he is a heavy mechanic, he might be like Popeye smoking a pipe and sauntering into the forest with two bodies, a bale of mulch and lighter fluid on one shoulder.

 

[otto]

Still a ton of area to search. The road (highway 66) parallels Elbow River all the way. The fact that LE states they believe evidence (bodies?) means to me he would have to go off the beaten track at least a little ways to accomplish that. Fullerton Loop is a good idea. There is a trail there. Elbow Falls pics look more like a viewing area from the road though seems there is access down to them (not large falls). It's an immense task to search all that.

I don't think he took a trail. He parked somewhere, hidden as well as possible, carried Jasmine and perhaps walked Aliyah to where he left the bodies. He carried a bale of mulch to their bodies and covered them. He might have started a fire.

 

[hartsoup]

Except, that doesn't make sense because she missed the family dinner on Tuesday, April 16, so she was most likely already deceased on Tuesday.

Does that mean that the April 18 trip was to visit the crime scene, maybe burn bodies?

That would mean that he had two dead bodies in his townhouse for 2-3 days. I wonder if he went to work at all that week. That suggests that he bought mulch on the morning of Thursday April 18, burned or checked on the bodies, and then went on a date with a new girlfriend.

You'd think that he wouldn't openly say that they went on the picnic on the 18th if he didn't. The police would have asked about all that stuff, unless he was dumb enough to not mention it and then speak about it with the media after. In one of the interviews he said that was the last he saw them, but it could have been April 17th. Either way, whatever day he said he went out there with them was likely the correct date.

I never considered the fact that he could have taken them alive for a hike then kill them out there. Would explain why it would be so easy to get them there unnoticed. Let's just hope the snow clears soon so they can resume searching the area.

 

[hartsoup]

Maybe, but maybe somewhere closer to Bragg Creek. What if he had a plan to throw them over the waterfall and pretend one fell while trying to save the other, but that plan went South with road closures or other visitors.

I've created an overlay with Elbow Falls, McLean Creek, Fullerton Loop trails and gate closures.

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Problem here is that Elbow Falls is a well populated area especially on long weekends. Somebody would have seen them one would think.

 

[Gina20]

Fullerton Loop Trail - Kananaskis Country | Alberta Parks

The map shows Fullerton Loop in relation to the McLean Creek campground.

 

[Gina20]

The grizzly that has been seen around Bragg Creek is being tracked. That was confirmed in the news story.

 

[otto]

You'd think that he wouldn't openly say that they went on the picnic on the 18th if he didn't. The police would have asked about all that stuff, unless he was dumb enough to not mention it and then speak about it with the media after. In one of the interviews he said that was the last he saw them, but it could have been April 17th. Either way, whatever day he said he went out there with them was likely the correct date.

I never considered the fact that he could have taken them alive for a hike then kill them out there. Would explain why it would be so easy to get them there unnoticed. Let's just hope the snow clears soon so they can resume searching the area.

He would say whatever is necessary to create an alibi, including that had a picnic to explain why he was in Bragg Creek. There's no one alive to refute him.

He first said that he last saw them on April 16 or 17, then he said it was on April 18 as he was going on a date with a new girlfriend. I have no doubt that he also told police that he was unclear on when he saw them last, but they had a picnic in Bragg Creek and they were at home when he left for a date. To answer the question of why he didn't call police about their disappearance, he assumed they were with family for the week after Easter.

I think police the reason are asking about 2:30 - 4:30PM on April 18 is because cell phone triangulation places him in the area. He was in Bragg Creek area on April 18, Jasmine was missing on April 16. At best, he walked her daughter to wear he left both bodies.

 

[otto]

Problem here is that Elbow Falls is a well populated area especially on long weekends. Somebody would have seen them one would think.

April 16, the day of last contact, wasn't a long weekend. April 18 he was in Bragg Creek, April 19 was Good Friday, April 21 was Easter. She vanished on or before April 16. She was reported missing the day after the Easter Monday holiday.

There's a road closure just after Elbow Falls and at McLean Creek. The only place in the area that is not closed is Fullerton Loop. Someone probably did see him in the area, maybe turning around at the road closures, but it must take time to sort through tips and video.

 

[otto]

The grizzly that has been seen around Bragg Creek is being tracked. That was confirmed in the news story.

Hopefully the grizzly is hungry enough to find bodies and the police are watching animal behavior in the area.

 

[otto]

Fullerton Loop Trail - Kananaskis Country | Alberta Parks

The map shows Fullerton Loop in relation to the McLean Creek campground.

Exactly. Anyone who goes down Route 66 (aka Hwy 22) past Bragg Creek is trapped with road closures except for Fullerton Loop. A 34 year old UK man who has been in Canada for 6 years probably didn't expect the road closures on a warm Spring day, and he wouldn't want to risk passing through a populated area twice, so he improvised.

 

[Gina20]

I think the PS may have been familiar with McLean Creek from partying. It attracts a lot of people in the summer for the party scene, not necessarily for the great outdoors. Highway 66 is closed west of Elbow Falls until later this month, and it is likely that a summer partier might not be aware of this. Aside from the wild parties at McLean Creek, parts of the Kananaskis are also used to dump bodies, unfortunately. That is quite well known.

It's hard to know how much planning went into this, and how much was improvised. The electronic trail from devices that were seized could be helpful.

 

[otto]

I think the PS may have been familiar with McLean Creek from partying. It attracts a lot of people in the summer for the party scene, not necessarily for the great outdoors. Highway 66 is closed west of Elbow Falls until later this month, and it is likely that a summer partier might not be aware of this. Aside from the wild parties at McLean Creek, parts of the Kananaskis are also used to dump bodies, unfortunately. That is quite well known.

It's hard to know how much planning went into this, and how much was improvised. The electronic trail from devices that were seized could be helpful.

Cell phones triangulate between three towers, but that still leaves a lot of ground to cover. When Mollie Tibbetts was murdered, cell phone triangulation led to searches of several properties, but they didn't find the body under the cornstalks until the suspect revealed the location.

McLean Creek road was closed until the end of April, so he could not drive into the area. He also couldn't drive past Elbow Falls. There was no where to pull off the road between Bragg Creek and Elbow Falls except Fullerton Loop. Perhaps he learned about the area as a partier and thought it would be a good place to dump a body ... and then the roads were closed?

Leeming's browser history reveals that he has given some thought to eliminating a wife and son using fire to destroy evidence. This information is in her affidavits from May 2018 and reported in the news. His wife and son fled the marriage in May 2018, so he was thinking about murder by burning from May 2018 to April 2019. Police suspect that Jasmine and her daughter have been murdered and burned.

Improvising happened with dumping the bodies. He drove into the back country on Route 66 when roads were still closed, but there's a good chance he didn't know that roads were closed so he improvised in terms of where he left them. That should make it easier to find them.

 

[Goanna]

Maybe he wasn't expecting so many gates to be closed on the road to Elbow Falls, so he had to improvise. Every murder has something that goes wrong. Maybe that's the first time he went out to Elbow Falls when the weather was perfect and the roads were still closed.

If Plan A was to put them downriver from Elbow Falls, what would be Plan B?

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The winter gate closure is just west of Elbow Falls so access is available year round. However it’s crawling with people at Falls, hiking Prarie Mtn across the road and cyclists riding the closed asphalt road traffic free west of closure. If the Moose Mtn gravel road was open, which it wasn’t, that is still busy but options for cover. A couple of thoughts: 1) was the victim First Nation and had access to First Nation land bordering the Bragg area and possibly introduced perp. to trails that normally are not visited by non-First Nation people therefore more quiet? 2) Chris Leeming from FB appears as Rob’s brother and has Kananaskis as previous living place, although Switzerland now. In fact one photo on FB Chris is hiking and wears the local Wintergreen Golf and Country Club ball cap. Likely Rob visited him. Maybe an area of interest?

 

[Snoop Sister]

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Leeming claims that he was fired because he was arrested, but he was fired on Thursday morning, according to him, and he was arrested at 11AM on Thursday, April 25. He was fired before he was arrested. Alternatively, he didn't arrive at work until noon (seems unlikely). He was most likely fired for missing work between April 17 and April 24 while he was covering up a double murder.

He also claimed that police were kicking his door down at 1AM when he was drunk sleeping. That cannot be true.

When police were banging on his front door at 11AM Thursday April 25, the day he was fired from work, he wasn't drunk sleeping, he was in his vehicle attempting to flee via the garage. Police had the garage covered, pulled guns and told him not to move. They handcuffed him in the front yard, in front of neighbors. He made a scene. He's still trying to make a scene by protesting too loud.

Here we have several lies:

• he was fired for being arrested (timeline proves fired before he was detained or being detained was final straw. He was at home on a work day. Maybe police asked work to help ensure that he would be at home ? He has a lot of weapons - don't want something to go wrong at work
• police tried to kick his door down at 1AM Friday (it was 11AM Thursday)
• he was sleeping when police arrived (he was fleeing via the garage)

One would be hard pressed to believe anything that comes out of this guy’s mouth. He is guilty as $$$$.

 

[zecats]

I don't think he took a trail. He parked somewhere, hidden as well as possible, carried Jasmine and perhaps walked Aliyah to where he left the bodies. He carried a bale of mulch to their bodies and covered them. He might have started a fire.

That’s what I meant to say in my post. I left out the “evidence was burned” (assume that means bodies), meaning he has to be out of sight from road or trail. Parking at a trailhead doesn’t cause attention usually and i could see him starting there. Not sure how rugged an area it is to go off trail. Or how forested to risk starting a major fire. He’d need a water source to tamp it down/ put it out. Walking too far would be difficult.

As long as no bodies are found, he’s sure playing it cool. Is the only hope of nailing him finding them?

 

[zecats]

There are 2 access roads before getting to the actual trail. These roads lead away from the main road. Hikers appear to have to walk one of these as part of the distance if doing the entire looped hike. Are these roads (Fullerton Road and Ranger Creek Road) open? Would they have been open in mid April? The trail info states it is open all year so the roads would be as well, but to car traffic or just foot traffic? If open to cars (SUV's) then he had a way to travel off the main road and be closer to a dumping spot/burning spot. The trail itself is described as an ascent, one way steeper than the other (it is a loop). That would make carrying anything even more difficult. IMO I'm guessing he may have left them off one of those access roads.

Fullerton Loop Trail - Kananaskis Country | Alberta Parks

Side Note: That this area is known as a body dumping ground leaves me a bit speechless. Are any of these bodies discovered? Recovered? Mostly rhetorical..

 

[Gina20]

Yes, bodies are indeed found. I posted a couple of links to some of the murder victims whose remains have been found in the Kananaskis. The most recent case to my knowledge was Fletcher Kimmel, whose remains were discovered by a retired news photographer, who saw animals.

Veteran Calgary news photographer provides closure in suspicious death

This area is close to Calgary. It's an easy drive on Highway 22X, which is quieter than Highway 1 (the Transcanada Highway). The 22X is the likely route taken by the PS. It's a vast, forested area, but it's also Calgary's year-round playground. That could be bad, if the influx of long weekend travellers destroys the crime scene, or good if hikers and campers keep their eyes open.

Bodies have been found on Stoney Nakoda land and Tsu Tina land. Tsu Tina land is easily accessed from the highway to Bragg Creek. Tsu Tina land goes from the city's edge to Bragg Creek.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/stoney-nakoda-human-remains-bones-1.3960555

Body found on Tsuu T’ina Nation ruled a homicide

I should point out that cell service still cuts out in certain places in the Kananaskis, due to the mountains. And as background, that Jumpingpound was the area where a number of women were dumped in the late 1970s. Those women are listed on the RCMP cold case page link I posted. People thought a "Transcanada Highway killer" was responsible for these unsolved murders.

Does anyone know the exact location of the property currently being searched? There has to be a reason for this.