Found Deceased Canada - Jessica Newman, 24, Calgary, 10 March 2015 #1 *Arrest*

[debsy99]

It seems strange to me for a mother not to have custody of her own children and that they had to go to court to make change to the parenting order. There are some sad dynamics in that whole situation.

KL also does not have custody of his child. That is the child that is with her parents or whoever they are? CN and MN.

 

[LoisLane]

KL also does not have custody of his child. That is the child that is with her parents or whoever they are? CN and MN.

Yes! So they had to go to court with the parents I'm assuming. What a mess. I think he is her biological father and she is her step-mom.

 

[debsy99]

KL was not the one she was going to court with. It was KC.

 

[stan laurel]

I find this worthy of picking apart:

from the official FB page:

He is not a suspect. But is he suspected?

ok, listen to the global news report where jessicas mom talks,, slightly different. an incident he witnessed is different than an incident he witnessed with Jessica.

http://globalnews.ca/calgary/videos/

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

If it matters... I actually ended up speaking to the father she was going to court with the next day accidentally. He said he wanted and needed her to have 50/50 because of a new job opportunity he had. If that's true there wouldn't be any reason to threaten or take action. They would have just been going to court to solidify it.

That makes no sense. She had visitation... so he's petitioning the court for her to take 50/50???

There is one reason for bolting... if she wasn't ready to parent.

The courts force mediation on you... and Parenting After Separation courses... they could have worked it out without a hearing and had a consent order done without appearing before a judge.


" A Caseflow coordinator will give information about resources available to help parents resolve their disputes. Parties may be referred to mediation or other Family Justice Services programs. If the parties are able to reach an agreement, the Caseflow coordinator may prepare a consent order for them, allowing them to finalize their matter without going before a judge. Examples of order that may be prepared are:

• Parenting Order
• Contact Order
• Guardianship Order
• Grandparent Contact Order
• Child Support"

https://albertacourts.ca/court-of-q...cesfjs/mediation-dispute-resolution-processes

 

[LoisLane]

KL was not the one she was going to court with. It was KC.

So confusing. I need my org chart. And sleep....

 

[LoisLane]

That makes no sense. She had visitation... so he's petitioning the court for her to take 50/50???

There is one reason for bolting... if she wasn't ready to parent.

The courts force mediation on you... and Parenting After Separation courses... they could have worked it out without a hearing and had a consent order done without appearing before a judge.


" A Caseflow coordinator will give information about resources available to help parents resolve their disputes. Parties may be referred to mediation or other Family Justice Services programs. If the parties are able to reach an agreement, the Caseflow coordinator may prepare a consent order for them, allowing them to finalize their matter without going before a judge. Examples of order that may be prepared are:

• Parenting Order
• Contact Order
• Guardianship Order
• Grandparent Contact Order
• Child Support"

https://albertacourts.ca/court-of-q...cesfjs/mediation-dispute-resolution-processes

My sister and her ex went straight to the Judge. They passed on everything else (mediation, etc.). They had to lawyer up and that was that.

 

[debsy99]

KC has custody of her son with him, and her son with KL is with her dad and step mom and neither have custody.

 

[LoisLane]

ok, listen to the global news report where jessicas mom talks,, slightly different. an incident he witnessed is different than an incident he witnessed with Jessica.

http://globalnews.ca/calgary/videos/

An incident he may have witnessed that Jessica was involved in.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

My sister and her ex went straight to the Judge. They passed on everything else (mediation, etc.). They had to lawyer up and that was that.

Back to my original point... no lawyer on her side so far... and if they were representing themselves, then the judge will send them to Family Justice. If she had a lawyer... who was paying? Was she going for 50/50 or was he? Something there doesn't make sense.

After watching the videos again... the roommate has to be a sign she's not quite in the right place to be taking custody. I certainly wouldn't be insisting my child go be raised by the roommate 50% of the time. There is some funk in one or two of the stories.

 

[debsy99]

Back to my original point... no lawyer on her side so far... and if they were representing themselves, then the judge will send them to Family Justice. If she had a lawyer... who was paying? Was she going for 50/50 or was he? Something there doesn't make sense.

After watching the videos again... the roommate has to be a sign she's not quite in the right place to be taking custody. I certainly wouldn't be insisting my child go be raised by the roommate 50% of the time. There is some funk in one or two of the stories.

From what I got KC has 100% custody and she has visitation, or its visitation of her boy with KL they never did specify in reports. But KC had a new job opportunity so he needed her to have 50/50 custody. So they were going to court to have it signed off on by a judge. I assume they had to go to a judge because there already has been court involvement and a court order. Not just 2 parents splitting and coming to an initial agreement.

 

[deugirtni]

Why do you say 'I wouldn't be insisting my child go be raised (do you want to correct your English there fella?) by the roommate 50% of the time'? I got the impression (in the beginning) that she had initiated this court date because she *wanted* 50/50 custody.. sounds like the breakup with KCR was recent, and she didn't have (originally) a place large enough for the courts to allow her 50/50? So perhaps that is why she is sharing a larger place with older roomie? He prob had a home in which he doesn't require all of the space.. she needs to have a larger home.. ? (I believe the courts would insist that she at least have a 2 BDRM for herself and her child). The boy would go to daycare while JRN worked her shifts? Doesn't that make sense? Where did the roomie raising the child 50% of the time come from?

Back to my original point... no lawyer on her side so far... and if they were representing themselves, then the judge will send them to Family Justice. If she had a lawyer... who was paying? Was she going for 50/50 or was he? Something there doesn't make sense.

After watching the videos again... the roommate has to be a sign she's not quite in the right place to be taking custody. I certainly wouldn't be insisting my child go be raised by the roommate 50% of the time. There is some funk in one or two of the stories.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

From what I got KC has 100% custody and she has visitation, or its visitation of her boy with KL they never did specify in reports. But KC had a new job opportunity so he needed her to have 50/50 custody. So they were going to court to have it signed off on by a judge. I assume they had to go to a judge because there already has been court involvement and a court order. Not just 2 parents splitting and coming to an initial agreement.

If they agreed to 50/50, they could start that at any time. No court order needed. It's curious they were still on the visitation schedule.

If I were the father, I wouldn't be in a rush to send my child to the place with the old guy. Would anyone not be questioning the presence of the roommate? Would you send your child there for a week? She'd have to go to work... where would the child go? Who would babysit? I also wouldn't be in a rush to change the order.

Something just seems hinky.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Why do you say 'I wouldn't be insisting my child go be raised (do you want to correct your English there fella?) by the roommate 50% of the time'? I got the impression (in the beginning) that she had initiated this court date because she *wanted* 50/50 custody.. sounds like the breakup with KCR was recent, and she didn't have (originally) a place large enough for the courts to allow her 50/50? So perhaps that is why she is sharing a larger place with older roomie? He prob had a home in which he doesn't require all of the space.. she needs to have a larger home.. ? (I believe the courts would insist that she at least have a 2 BDRM for herself and her child). The boy would go to daycare while JRN worked her shifts? Doesn't that make sense? Where did the roomie raising the child 50% of the time come from?

If your child lives with someone, related or not, they are going to be exposed to that person. That person will babysit. That person will be there, in their life... with full access... day... night... and have influence on that child.

Notice it is roommate... not landlord, not family friend...

Regardless of how much space he has, imagine how that idea came about and how that conversation started. He could be the greatest guy in the world... but it still seems weird. Would you want to send your child there?

 

[debsy99]

If they agreed to 50/50, they could start that at any time. No court order needed. It's curious they were still on the visitation schedule.

If I were the father, I wouldn't be in a rush to send my child to the place with the old guy. Would anyone not be questioning the presence of the roommate? Would you send your child there for a week? She'd have to go to work... where would the child go? Who would babysit? I also wouldn't be in a rush to change the order.

Something just seems hinky.

It would depend on why there is a court order in the first place.

 

[debsy99]

If they agreed to 50/50, they could start that at any time. No court order needed. It's curious they were still on the visitation schedule.

If I were the father, I wouldn't be in a rush to send my child to the place with the old guy. Would anyone not be questioning the presence of the roommate? Would you send your child there for a week? She'd have to go to work... where would the child go? Who would babysit? I also wouldn't be in a rush to change the order.

Something just seems hinky.

Also the roommate is the same age as KC.

 

[deugirtni]

I'm getting something going on with that 'incident' as well. In the FB post, mom says, "He is wanted for questioning on a previous incident that he may have witnessed a month prior to her disappearance." 'Wanted for questioning' sounds different from, 'police would like to speak to him'.

One can be involved in an incident as well as being considered a 'witness' (if they wanted to word it in a way so as not to attract too much attention onto the fellow just yet)?

Here is that portion of the news report:

Reporter: Police are now looking for *this* man. He's not a suspect, but investigators believe he may have information that could help them.

Mom: They just think that he may have witnessed, umm, a previous .. event that had happened with Jessica? They just want to ask him questions about that incident? It may give them clues as to .. her current .. situation.

Reporter: Newman has 3 sons by 2 different men. Two of the boys live with her parents in British Columbia. The third is here in Calgary. Mother says she was in a happy place trying to get back on her feet following the break-up, and earn enough money to rent a home suitable for her children. Despite all the time that has passed, her family is still holding onto hope.

ok, listen to the global news report where jessicas mom talks,, slightly different. an incident he witnessed is different than an incident he witnessed with Jessica.

http://globalnews.ca/calgary/videos/

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

The roommate specifically called it a "custody hearing". A minor detail, but he didn't imply it was a done deal or just an appearance for a consent order.

 

[deugirtni]

KC looks to me young enough to be the roomie's son.

Also the roommate is the same age as KC.

 

[deugirtni]

Well.. he could be solid, and that could be why she was willing to make those living arrangements. He could be someone known to her, or through someone else, and their needs matched - him in finding a person to 'share a house', and her in finding a place she could afford that would give her child some space and amenities she may not otherwise be able to provide on her own.

Nobody said she'd be leaving her kid with the guy on his own, or that he'd be babysitting for her. Whoever looks after the child during working hours now for dad, would continue to do so, wouldn't they? It has already been reported that JRN has the 'day shift' (which undoubtedly brings in less tips than the night shift), and perhaps that is why.. to match the father's work schedule as much as possible so the child could continue on with whatever arrangements already exist, except he would be going to dad's half the time and mom's half the time.

If.... when the break-up occurred.. however it happened, whether it was her who 'left', or he who booted her out.. she may have gone to a woman's shelter, or a friend's house, or some tiny hole.. at which time the dad may have immediately gone to court to get custody, saying she doesn't have a home, which could have prompted her to then make this arrangement in order to get 50/50. Makes sense to me? Of course... she would need to be supervising her child 100% of the time, and hopefully also getting a police check done on the roomie.

If your child lives with someone, related or not, they are going to be exposed to that person. That person will babysit. That person will be there, in their life... with full access... day... night... and have influence on that child.

Notice it is roommate... not landlord, not family friend...

Regardless of how much space he has, imagine how that idea came about and how that conversation started. He could be the greatest guy in the world... but it still seems weird. Would you want to send your child there?