Found Deceased Canada - Jessica Newman, 24, Calgary, 10 March 2015 #1 *Arrest*

[debsy99]

KC looks to me young enough to be the roomie's son.

Your right, I thought he was 30 as well.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Well.. he could be solid, and that could be why she was willing to make those living arrangements. He could be someone known to her, or through someone else, and their needs matched - him in finding a person to 'share a house', and her in finding a place she could afford that would give her child some space and amenities she may not otherwise be able to provide on her own.

Nobody said she'd be leaving her kid with the guy on his own, or that he'd be babysitting for her. Whoever looks after the child during working hours now for dad, would continue to do so, wouldn't they? It has already been reported that JRN has the 'day shift' (which undoubtedly brings in less tips than the night shift), and perhaps that is why.. to match the father's work schedule as much as possible so the child could continue on with whatever arrangements already exist, except he would be going to dad's half the time and mom's half the time.

If.... when the break-up occurred.. however it happened, whether it was her who 'left', or he who booted her out.. she may have gone to a woman's shelter, or a friend's house, or some tiny hole.. at which time the dad may have immediately gone to court to get custody, saying she doesn't have a home, which could have prompted her to then make this arrangement in order to get 50/50. Makes sense to me? Of course... she would need to be supervising her child 100% of the time, and hopefully also getting a police check done on the roomie.

The court wouldn't waste time with something that can be dealt with family justice services. If she didn't have any overnight visitation, regardless of the circumstances... there has to be an issue. The subject seems to be avoided by insiders, which usually means there is something ugly there they don't want you to know. You've all seen the saint making... you would think they would be all over that. She was just about to have her son live with her half the time! She had a bedroom ready, and clothes... she spent the days leading up to the consent order shopping for kids furniture... there is none of that. There is no sign she was about to get 50%.

Again... lol... would you send your child there? No one said she would leave the child alone with a stranger, but what if... and hopefully she uses good judgement... but when it's you, sending your child there... is hopefully and maybe good enough?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Your right, I thought he was 30 as well.

Not that guy.

 

[debsy99]

Not that guy.

I know I thought I read it near the beginning of the case.

 

[deugirtni]

Which could potentially be why there needed to be a judge to decide? Perhaps dad wasn't comfy with that arrangement, while JRN thought it was perfectly fine?

The court wouldn't waste time with something that can be dealt with family justice services. If she didn't have any overnight visitation, regardless of the circumstances... there has to be an issue. The subject seems to be avoided by insiders, which usually means there is something ugly there they don't want you to know. You've all seen the saint making... you would think they would be all over that. She was just about to have her son live with her half the time! She had a bedroom ready, and clothes... she spent the days leading up to the consent order shopping for kids furniture... there is none of that. There is no sign she was about to get 50%.

Again... lol... would you send your child there? No one said she would leave the child alone with a stranger, but what if... and hopefully she uses good judgement... but when it's you, sending your child there... is hopefully and maybe good enough?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Which could potentially be why there needed to be a judge to decide? Perhaps dad wasn't comfy with that arrangement, while JRN thought it was perfectly fine?

Back to my original point about Dad allegedly wanting the 50/50... we're almost full circle...

 

[debsy99]

In Alberta depending on the severity of the court order you can't just change it. In Alberta it's called Access not Visitation. On this page it talks about the different types of Access. If she had say supervised visits and her and dad both felt she was ready to have shared they would still have to go before a judge to get it changed.

http://www.slsedmonton.com/family/custody-access-divorce/

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Not sure. I dont know the roommate at all. Maybe dad knew him too? Also the 50/50 is just what was said to me. It could be truth it could be a cover up. IMO though I find it more concerning that 2 other young women were attacked a few days before her and a few days after in the same neighbourhood and the police still have not determined the suspect in either of those. I live in the city and about a 5 min drive from the bar she worked at and I would not walk in that neighbourhood at night. In fact I lock my car doors driving through it. Also I'm a year older than her too.

Apparently it's not a great neighborhood, and sadly, women get attacked all the time. A single perp isn't likely to attack in the same area repeatedly in a shorter time span, especially if successful in abducting someone like JRN. There is a reason serial killers don't act with high frequency.

The night before the hearing is a massive coincidence... hopefully this guy is found and something breaks. That is a ridiculously clear picture, so someone knows where he is... for me, there are too many hinky signs of issues before the disappearance. Maybe he witnessed a fight between her and someone... Maybe he heard her say she wanted to disappear...

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

In Alberta depending on the severity of the court order you can't just change it. In Alberta it's called Access not Visitation. On this page it talks about the different types of Access. If she had say supervised visits and her and dad both felt she was ready to have shared they would still have to go before a judge to get it changed.

http://www.slsedmonton.com/family/custody-access-divorce/

Yes, but you don't need to change the order, before you change the arrangements. The order is only the minimum that has to be provided. You can stray from the order all you like if both parents agree. No one is going to be held in contempt for letting Mom spend more time with her son before the order is changed. It's your child... you can do whatever you want.

 

[news.talk]

Apparently it's not a great neighborhood, and sadly, women get attacked all the time. A single perp isn't likely to attack in the same area repeatedly in a shorter time span, especially if successful in abducting someone like JRN. There is a reason serial killers don't act with high frequency.

The night before the hearing is a massive coincidence... hopefully this guy is found and something breaks. That is a ridiculously clear picture, so someone knows where he is... for me, there are too many hinky signs of issues before the disappearance. Maybe he witnessed a fight between her and someone... Maybe he heard her say she wanted to disappear...

Maybe this guy was a customer that witnessed an incident at the restaurant she worked at? Perhaps another patron is the one they are actually looking for, and the guy in the picture might know him or can provide more details about what occured? In one news report they stated that her workplace is frequented by mainly regulars. While it is a restaurant, it also has a small bar.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

If both parents consent to change the order, it's a very simple process that can be handled at family justice, and is a mere formality that most likely doesn't need a personal appearance in front of a judge.

 

[news.talk]

If both parents consent to change the order, it's a very simple process that can be handled at family justice, and is a mere formality that most likely doesn't need a personal appearance in front of a judge.

Correct my couch loving friend. We went through this with my step-kids.... We had to change the order often, and when we actually agreed with their mom, it was a simple matter of shuffling paper work and filing a consent order.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Maybe this guy was a customer that witnessed an incident at the restaurant she worked at? Perhaps another patron is the one they are actually looking for, and the guy in the picture might know him or can provide more details about what occured? In one news report they stated that her workplace is frequented by mainly regulars. While it is a restaurant, it also has a small bar.

The information about him apparently came from a tip... the possibilities of how someone knows he saw something are mind blowingly large in number.

 

[debsy99]

Apparently it's not a great neighborhood, and sadly, women get attacked all the time. A single perp isn't likely to attack in the same area repeatedly in a shorter time span, especially if successful in abducting someone like JRN. There is a reason serial killers don't act with high frequency.

The night before the hearing is a massive coincidence... hopefully this guy is found and something breaks. That is a ridiculously clear picture, so someone knows where he is... for me, there are too many hinky signs of issues before the disappearance. Maybe he witnessed a fight between her and someone... Maybe he heard her say she wanted to disappear...

The bar is on 17th ave SE a block south is 19th ave SE which is known to be the main prostitution road. Definitely a bad area if you walk down 17th ave there are drug deals going on right in front of you. The Tim Hortons actually has to buzz you in to their bathrooms there. This case is definitely not cut and dry like some others I know. There are so many different scenarios.

 

[news.talk]

The information about him apparently came from a tip... the possibilities of how someone knows he saw something are mind blowingly large in number.

The tip could have come from someone she worked with or another customer. Maybe someone that saw the incident didn't make the connection until they saw her picture in the news... So they called in the tip and provided this guy's information because he saw or might know more?

 

[debsy99]

I don't understand why they released his photo in the hopes that someone would recognize him and convince him to come forward if they know who he is. Why don't they just go pick him up and ask him?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I don't understand why they released his photo in the hopes that someone would recognize him and convince him to come forward if they know who he is. Why don't they just go pick him up and ask him?

Potentially, they don't know where he is. If he helped her run away at all, then perhaps he knows where she is. Perhaps they are trying to smoke her out. Perhaps he simply did just see something he doesn't realize is important.

 

[debsy99]

Potentially, they don't know where he is. If he helped her run away at all, then perhaps he knows where she is. Perhaps they are trying to smoke her out. Perhaps he simply did just see something he doesn't realize is important.

Makes sense

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Makes sense

The fact they said they hope 'someone recognizes him and encourages him to come forward' sounds like he's hiding though...

 

[news.talk]

Calgary Police Media Release:

"Investigators believe the man in his 30s may have information that could assist in the ongoing missing person investigation and are hoping to speak to him. He is not believed to be responsible for her disappearance, but may have knowledge critical to the investigation."

http://newsroom.calgary.ca/news/man-sought-in-missing-person-investigation