Found Deceased Canada - Jessica Newman, 24, Calgary, 10 March 2015 #1 *Arrest*

[deugirtni]

Now you have got me thinking.. I wonder if something kind of came together for LE at this point.. and it is the coming together that is becoming a clue.. ie, say there is a police report somewhere, tucked away from a month ago, wherein the fellow AP handed in someone's ID, a report filled out (I think that is *always* done), and the guy maybe said he didn't know her, just found it and handing it in. They (LE) end up giving it back to her. She tells someone about it, possibly her mom...

Then.. as LE are examining all of her technology, her pics, private FB msgs hopefully, texts, etc.. (wasn't it fairly recently when the mom reported that the records had come back from 'Bell'?).. they see something related to AP, even after AP may have told them he didn't know the person. I wonder if that pic was in her files, wherever she keeps them (hidden on FB maybe?), and a link became apparent, when one wasn't supposed to exist (according to AP's little report about finding the ID)..

Then they may have asked mom or someone if they knew anything about it.. and possibly heard more to the story, like.. they were out together a month ago when this happened (the missing ID), and maybe something weird happened that she also told her mom about. Just theorizing here..

Or.... after finding him in 2 places (handing in the missing ID and also perhaps on JRN's photo files), they saw CCTV of him in the area that night, or even at the Water Grill that night that she went missing? Then LE might be wondering why he didn't mention in the first place, etc, that he 'knew' her? Kind of eery to think that he would have had access to her home address, name, etc., and who knows what else, if he had found her ID.

maybe the pic was lifted off her phone and there is no accompanying name with it?

 

[news.talk]

Now you have got me thinking.. I wonder if something kind of came together for LE at this point.. and it is the coming together that is becoming a clue.. ie, say there is a police report somewhere, tucked away from a month ago, wherein the fellow AP handed in someone's ID, a report filled out (I think that is *always* done), and the guy maybe said he didn't know her, just found it and handing it in. They (LE) end up giving it back to her. She tells someone about it, possibly her mom...

Then.. as LE are examining all of her technology, her pics, private FB msgs hopefully, texts, etc.. (wasn't it fairly recently when the mom reported that the records had come back from 'Bell'?).. they see something related to AP, even after AP may have told them he didn't know the person. I wonder if that pic was in her files, wherever she keeps them (hidden on FB maybe?), and a link became apparent, when one wasn't supposed to exist (according to AP's little report about finding the ID)..

Then they may have asked mom or someone if they knew anything about it.. and possibly heard more to the story, like.. they were out together a month ago when this happened (the missing ID), and maybe something weird happened that she also told her mom about. Just theorizing here..

Or.... after finding him in 2 places (handing in the missing ID and also perhaps on JRN's photo files), they saw CCTV of him in the area that night, or even at the Water Grill that night that she went missing? Then LE might be wondering why he didn't mention in the first place, etc, that he 'knew' her? Kind of eery to think that he would have had access to her home address, name, etc., and who knows what else, if he had found her ID.

It wouldn't be the first time LE said that they are "looking for a witness" and that the person "isn't a suspect" when in fact that person is very much believed to be way more involved than LE will publicly claim. Perhaps they want him to come in so that they can question him, and while he is being given the illusion of safety, he is really being read for deception. It is one tactic they commonly use to bait and trap a suspect. They make a suspect feel like they 'need his help' when really they just want to get him into a room. That is when they start pulling apart his story, and when he slips, they are able to unravel it further.

The fact that he is so unwilling to come forward, and the hesitation in the mother's answers when questioned about this POI, leads me to suspect that LE is has made more of a connection with this fellow than they are letting on - I suspect he knows it too, and for good reason. How often do we see LE do such a major public push, that includes a picture of someone that is totally innocent? Nah... I'm not buying the veil of "he might have seen something he is not aware of...."

 

[deugirtni]

Yes, and I'm sure we all remember the Liknes/O'Brien case when, in the beginning, LE said they were searching for the owner of that green truck because 'they want to talk to him since he may have seen something since he was in the area that night'.. type of deal? I'll bet they just found he came up 2 or 3 times in different ways perhaps, and want to just ask him.. but yes, totally depending on his answers, they may have something.. or not.. but also, agreed, based on his hesitance to just go in and do the right thing and talk to them, that doesn't bode well, does it? If that is a pic of him in the vehicle WITH JRN, then it would be a problem if he said, "Thats all I know!! Never seen her! Thats it That all!!"

It wouldn't be the first time LE said that they are "looking for a witness" and that the person "isn't a suspect" when in fact that person is very much believed to be way more involved than LE will publicly claim. Perhaps they want him to come in so that they can question him, and while he is being given the illusion of safety, he is really being read for deception. It is one tactic they commonly use to bait and trap a suspect. They make a suspect feel like they 'need his help' when really they just want to get him into a room. That is when they start pulling apart his story, and when he slips, they are able to unravel it further.

The fact that he is so unwilling to come forward, and the hesitation in the mother's answers when questioned about this POI, leads me to suspect that LE is has made more of a connection with this fellow than they are letting on - I suspect he knows it too, and for good reason. How often do we see LE do such a major public push, that includes a picture of someone that is totally innocent? Nah... I'm not buying the veil of "he might have seen something he is not aware of...."

 

[news.talk]

Yes, and I'm sure we all remember the Liknes/O'Brien case when, in the beginning, LE said they were searching for the owner of that green truck because 'they want to talk to him since he may have seen something since he was in the area that night'.. type of deal? I'll bet they just found he came up 2 or 3 times in different ways perhaps, and want to just ask him.. but yes, totally depending on his answers, they may have something.. or not.. but also, agreed, based on his hesitance to just go in and do the right thing and talk to them, that doesn't bode well, does it? If that is a pic of him in the vehicle WITH JRN, then it would be a problem if he said, "Thats all I know!! Never seen her! Thats it That all!!"

I thought of the DG case in relation to bait and trap myself. It is one way to get a hold of a suspect without tipping their hand. DG didn't fall for it either. Innocent people will quickly go in to talk with LE to minimize exposure and being subjected to public scrutiny. Guilty people refuse and hide out... Demanding that their pictures be taken down.

This guy was said to have been seen at the Watergrill where Jessica worked. Obviously, there is more to the story than just a return of ID. He may not be the target suspect... It could be someone he is known to associate with. However, the clincher for me is, the fact that they released his photo - They don't generally release the photo of someone they "just want to talk with."

 

[deugirtni]

One of AP's FB friends (FG) is telling him to go forward to LE.. from the official 'Missing' page:

FG: Antoine, I hope you get in touch with M. Smith, before the whole city runs after you. I know it always been hard for you, but just imagine how hard it is for her family. They need to investigate on each and every clue. Cmon Bro, go clear your name ASAP!!!!! I love u Bro.
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: Is he still not coroporating???
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FG: From what I heard and red yesterday, still.....
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: Hes making himself look guilty
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: Jessica your family needs you where are you?
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FG: Exactly. For me, it is impossible that he harmed Jessica. I more believe that there is another guy involved, from which Antoine tries to protect her. I don't know who that guy might be. Perhaps it is her ex or another guy?? One thing is for sure, it is that if they are hidding from someone, he is prolly a very mad guy.
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[OutOfTheDarkness]

So a couple of new developments, as far as I can see..

One is... for the life of me, I cannot find on the official 'Missing' FB page, the things that JRN's mom posted in regard to this person; I pasted the comments yesterday early morning, and I was looking back trying to find where it was that she referenced the incident 'a month ago'.. couldn't find it.. went and found my post.. still can't find it.. but.. I could be missing it.. not much sleep.. can anyone else confirm that it's now gone, or whether it's there and I just can't see it now? Here is what it said:

" We are searching for this man in hopes that he will call police and come in for an interview. He may have information on a prior incident that could help.

XXXX Does anyone know his name? How was the picture true obtained? It might help if we knew WHY he is wanted for questioning.
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He is wanted for questioning on a previous incident that he may have witnessed a month prior to her disappearance
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The other is... one of AP's FB friends (FG) is telling him to go forward to LE.. from the official 'Missing' page:

It's in the "is this going to be on the news" post.

 

[news.talk]

If the Mother was told to not talk about the reason this person was wanted, as to not spook him into hiding, she would easily deny that he is a POI. Alternatively, she may not know why he is being sought out... LE don't exactly lay out their case for family... Family can be unpredictable with the release of information. Casing a subject is something that they usually hold pretty close to the vest.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

There is a friend covering for some reason on both sites.

 

[deugirtni]

Yes thanks, found it.. edited my post above..

The reason why I was looking for it...

I'm wondering about something else..

I wonder *when* exactly he turned the ID into the police... I'm wondering if it was *after* she disappeared.. just handed it in after finding it randomly, like a good samaritan would... because notice some of the people are saying they need to know exactly *where* he found it, etc. (on the news article comments)..

And then... the mother refers to 'an incident *with* Jessica a month before she disappeared'...

So... if he handed the ID in just recently, saying he found it (sometime after her disappearance).. but then something comes to light by some other means, to say that they actually did have some kind of contact or 'incident' a month before she went missing, but he wasn't stating that at the time when he handed in the ID.. not good.. (for him)..

Or... did he hand in the ID a month before she went missing and that in itself is 'the incident *with* Jessica a month before she went missing' that is being referred to?

If someone did something bad to someone.. would they really hand in their ID to police though? That would be screwy?

It's in the "is this going to be on the news" post.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Yes thanks, found it.. edited my post above..

The reason why I was looking for it...

I'm wondering about something else..

I wonder *when* exactly he turned the ID into the police... I'm wondering if it was *after* she disappeared.. just handed it in after finding it randomly, like a good samaritan would... because notice some of the people are saying they need to know exactly *where* he found it, etc. (on the news article comments)..

And then... the mother refers to 'an incident *with* Jessica a month before she disappeared'...

So... if he handed the ID in just recently, saying he found it (sometime after her disappearance).. but then something comes to light by some other means, to say that they actually did have some kind of contact or 'incident' a month before she went missing, but he wasn't stating that at the time when he handed in the ID.. not good.. (for him)..

Or... did he hand in the ID a month before she went missing and that in itself is 'the incident *with* Jessica a month before she went missing' that is being referred to?

If someone did something bad to someone.. would they really hand in their ID to police though? That would be screwy?

The friend hints he's hiding her... this gets weirder and weirder...

 

[deugirtni]

Not really.. to me, he is more saying, he doesn't believe his friend harmed JRN, but if anything, it's like more of a hiding her type of sitch.. (BBM):

"FG: Exactly. For me, it is impossible that he harmed Jessica. I more believe that there is another guy involved, from which Antoine tries to protect her. I don't know who that guy might be. Perhaps it is her ex or another guy?? One thing is for sure, it is that if they are hidding from someone, he is prolly a very mad guy.
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The friend hints he's hiding her... this gets weirder and weirder...

 

[deugirtni]

Just thinking.. bear with me..

If AP had found the ID a month BEFORE JRN disappeared... he wouldn't likely even remember or connect that 'discovered ID and handed it in' event, and her being in the news as missing..

but he knows (from his comments posted in regard to the police news, that 'he only handed in ID that he found, and never saw her'.. (paraphrashing here).. so.. he has connected the 2 things.. which would indicate (imho) that he found the ID AFTER she disappeared..

and if he found it AFTER.. and then sometme later, police found indication that he had had contact with her a month BEFORE.. that would make him a person to talk to, right?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Not really.. to me, he is more saying, he doesn't believe his friend harmed JRN, but if anything, it's like more of a hiding her type of sitch.. (BBM):

"FG: Exactly. For me, it is impossible that he harmed Jessica. I more believe that there is another guy involved, from which Antoine tries to protect her. I don't know who that guy might be. Perhaps it is her ex or another guy?? One thing is for sure, it is that if they are hidding from someone, he is prolly a very mad guy.
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Yes... but why connect your name to someone you're not sure about in this manner? To me, that rings like some inside scoop there, or some serious butt covering... especially since he said he didn't "see her".

 

[deugirtni]

Just wanted to mention this.. unrelated, but perhaps ON topic..

This story is obviously different in that.. this woman was a prostitute, and she likely wasn't even reported as missing.. but.. some guy was holding her hostage and sexually assaulting her every day for 5 days before she rolled herself (bound) to the front porch where she cried for help early on Easter morning.. so, as awful as that was, it made me hopeful that even if some perp takes a woman, it doesn't necessarily mean he also kills her.. I really hope JRN is still alive somewhere.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5547092-humble-hero-man-saves-woman-held-hostage-for-5-days/

 

[news.talk]

Not really.. to me, he is more saying, he doesn't believe his friend harmed JRN, but if anything, it's like more of a hiding her type of sitch.. (BBM):

"FG: Exactly. For me, it is impossible that he harmed Jessica. I more believe that there is another guy involved, from which Antoine tries to protect her. I don't know who that guy might be. Perhaps it is her ex or another guy?? One thing is for sure, it is that if they are hidding from someone, he is prolly a very mad guy.
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It looks like the 'friend' is simply trying to cover for this guy. Looking at the FB group info, this FG just joined the group less than a week ago. He clearly has one sole purpose for being on that page - To defend his friend. Putting out misleading information and talking about what a good guy he is... Something isn't right.

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder if LE will contact FB to ask for IP address of AP, and if FB will comply..

 

[news.talk]

I wonder if LE will contact FB to ask for IP address of AP, and if FB will comply..

I doubt FB complies with many requests from LE in Canada. The Police should however, have no trouble getting it from AB Police Report.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I doubt FB complies with many requests from LE in Canada. The Police should however, have no trouble getting it from AB Police Report.

Always stealing my thunder.

The friend runs the risk of getting himself in trouble for obstructing... I wonder how much of that is true.

He himself should talk to CPS if he knows anything.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I'm leery of the 'it has always been hard for you' part though.

 

[news.talk]

Always stealing my thunder.

The friend runs the risk of getting himself in trouble for obstructing... I wonder how much of that is true.

He himself should talk to CPS if he knows anything.

It is completely possible, that this FG guy has culpability... It wouldn't be the first time a suspect has inserted themself into an investigation.